ADIZ pilot's ticket revoked

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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AES wrote:
Actually, it sounds like absolute and total bull**** to me.

George Patterson

Sounds like it to me too. This guy is a hazzard and has no business
anywhere near an airplane.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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AES wrote:

As I read through the above I kept thinking more and mo despite the
first person wording, this just doesn't sound like something two
ordinary people would have written -- it sounds more and more like words
_very_ carefully crafted by an attorney.

Actually, it sounds like absolute and total bull**** to me.

Redundant, no?

gatt wrote:

HOW do you as a safe, qualified pilot fly over Washington DC and not know
it's Washington DC? Are there any pilots in these forums that DON'T know
it's restricted airspace?

Actually, I've flown over that area many times cutting under the Dulles class-B
in happier days. There's not much there that's distinctive if you don't know the
area. A fair number of little lakes that all look alike. Then an increasing
number of houses, but by then, you'd be inside the ADIZ. I must say, however,
that I would've turned around many miles before they did. The beltway is really
unmistakeable, and, of course, you've got lots of famous landmarks a bit further on.

In short, coming from that direction, it would be real easy to bust the ADIZ
without knowing it, but *extremely* hard to get as far as they did without
knowing you're over D.C..

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.

"George Patterson" wrote in message news:Qjyke.18423$4d6.6648@trndny04...

In short, coming from that direction, it would be real easy to bust the ADIZ without knowing it, but *extremely* hard
to get as far as they did without knowing you're over D.C..

George Patterson
"Naked" means you ain't got no clothes on; "nekkid" means you ain't got
no clothes on - and are up to somethin'.


What altitude were they at, and what was the flight visibility?

keep in mind this is an "Emergency Revocation".

The pilot involved still is entitled to his due process, and the action
MAY (we are talking hypothetically, here) be overturned at the
completion of that due process.

He has yet to actually have his formal meeting, etc..

Dave

A.Coleman wrote:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...&sn=018&sc=478

AA Revokes License of D.C. 'Alert' Pilot
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Monday, May 23, 2005

(05-23) 12:15 PDT WASHINGTON (AP) --

The government has revoked the license of the pilot in charge of the small
plane that strayed to within three miles of the White House on May 11,
forcing the panicked evacuation of thousands of people from the executive
mansion, Capitol and Supreme Court.

Though hundreds of people have mistakenly flown into Washington's restricted
airspace, this was believed to be the first such revocation.

The Federal Aviation Administration said Monday that it had issued an
emergency revocation of Hayden L. Sheaffer's pilot's license because he
"constitutes an unacceptable risk to safety in air commerce."

The agency said no action would be taken against Sheaffer's student, who was
also in the plane.

"This action reflects the seriousness in which we view all restricted
airspace violations and, in this case, the level of incursion into
restricted airspace," said FAA spokesman Greg Martin.

The plane entered restricted airspace and then continued flying toward
highly sensitive areas, prompting evacuations of tens of thousands of people
as military aircraft scrambled to intercept it.

The student, 36-year-old Troy Martin, who had logged only 30 hours of flight
time, had control of the small Cessna single engine plane when a U.S.
Customs Service Black Hawk helicopter and a Citation jet intercepted it.

Sheaffer didn't take the most basic steps required of pilots before
operating an aircraft, the FAA said. He failed to check the weather report
before leaving Smoketown, Pa., and he didn't check the FAA's "Notices to
Airmen," which informs pilots of airspace restrictions.

___

On the Net:

Federal Aviation Administration:

www.faa.gov
URL:
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...a121517D16.DTL
©2005 Associated Press

In rec.aviation.owning Dave S wrote:
keep in mind this is an "Emergency Revocation".

The pilot involved still is entitled to his due process, and the action
MAY (we are talking hypothetically, here) be overturned at the
completion of that due process.

He has yet to actually have his formal meeting, etc..

Dave

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The odds of the NTSB overturning this are somewhere between zero and
not a chance in hell.

For more and the specific regulations (8) violated:

http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsite...050523faa.html

--
Jim Pennino

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I agree that this guy's ticket is gone gone gone... but my point is...
before we lynch the fella, we are going to ensure he has a fair trial.
He has not had that yet.

Dave

In rec.aviation.owning Dave S wrote:
I agree that this guy's ticket is gone gone gone... but my point is...
before we lynch the fella, we are going to ensure he has a fair trial.
He has not had that yet.

Dave

A trial in this case would be an appeal to the NTSB.

Doing that would be extremely stupid.

He got essentially the minimum punishment for a finding of violation.

The NTSB could easily decide that wasn't enough and call for a civil
penalty of up to $1000 for each violation cited. He has at least 8.

Sometimes it is best to just shut up and take your medicine.

--
Jim Pennino

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wrote:
In rec.aviation.owning Dave S wrote:

I agree that this guy's ticket is gone gone gone... but my point is...
before we lynch the fella, we are going to ensure he has a fair trial.
He has not had that yet.


Dave


A trial in this case would be an appeal to the NTSB.

No a trial would be appearing before a bona fide member of the
judiciary, which you are not elligible for until after the NTSB
has ruled (and the FAA has either ignored the ruling if it was in
your favor, or the NTSB rubber stamps the sham process as it was).

Dave S wrote:
I agree that this guy's ticket is gone gone gone... but my point is...
before we lynch the fella, we are going to ensure he has a fair trial.
He has not had that yet.

Dave

Nobody gets a fair trial before the FAA.
You have to spend years and mucho dollars before you ever
get to a real judge.