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After an annual?
Paul Tomblin wrote:
When you pick up your plane after an annual, is there any special things you do? I'm picking up the club's Lance after its annual today, and flying it back from Batavia NY to Rochester NY (about a 25 minute flight). Do you do any special pre-flight or flight check? I was planning to climb up over the airport to about 4,000 feet so that I'll have some glide cushion if something goes wrong. If you have a Navion, make sure the gear handle is down. I check over the plane looking especially for inspection panels and hoses not reinstalled. A do a brief test flight (vicinity of the airport) and open it up again looking for leaks. |
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After an annual?
Bob Noel wrote: In article , (Paul Tomblin) wrote: When you pick up your plane after an annual, is there any special things you do? I'm picking up the club's Lance after its annual today, and flying it back from Batavia NY to Rochester NY (about a 25 minute flight). Do you do any special pre-flight or flight check? I was planning to climb up over the airport to about 4,000 feet so that I'll have some glide cushion if something goes wrong. one of the benefits on an owner-assisted annual is being involved in the close-out of actions from the annual. btw - following the installation of an overhauled engine, we (the A&P and I) did the initial engine check-out flying a racetrack pattern at 2000' above the airport. We simply told the tower that we wanted to orbit the field for an engine test. Isn't that required by regulation (although only minimum crew is allowed)? Doesn't the pilot have to sign the aircraft log as RTS after the break in? -Robert |
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After an annual?
In article . com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote: one of the benefits on an owner-assisted annual is being involved in the close-out of actions from the annual. btw - following the installation of an overhauled engine, we (the A&P and I) did the initial engine check-out flying a racetrack pattern at 2000' above the airport. We simply told the tower that we wanted to orbit the field for an engine test. Isn't that required by regulation (although only minimum crew is allowed)? Not that I've heard of. Doesn't the pilot have to sign the aircraft log as RTS after the break in? No -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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After an annual?
Bob Noel wrote: In article . com, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: one of the benefits on an owner-assisted annual is being involved in the close-out of actions from the annual. btw - following the installation of an overhauled engine, we (the A&P and I) did the initial engine check-out flying a racetrack pattern at 2000' above the airport. We simply told the tower that we wanted to orbit the field for an engine test. Isn't that required by regulation (although only minimum crew is allowed)? Not that I've heard of. Section 91.407: Operation after maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (b) No person may carry any person (other than crewmembers) in an aircraft that has been maintained, rebuilt, or altered in a manner that may have appreciably changed its flight characteristics or substantially affected its operation in flight until an appropriately rated pilot with at least a private pilot certificate flies the aircraft, makes an operational check of the maintenance performed or alteration made, and logs the flight in the aircraft records. |
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After an annual?
On 19 Dec 2006 16:03:23 -0800, "Robert M. Gary"
wrote: snip Section 91.407: Operation after maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (b) No person may carry any person (other than crewmembers) in an aircraft that has been maintained, rebuilt, or altered in a manner that may have appreciably changed its flight characteristics or substantially affected its operation in flight until an appropriately rated pilot with at least a private pilot certificate flies the aircraft, makes an operational check of the maintenance performed or alteration made, and logs the flight in the aircraft records. Anything other than a field overhaul will have been tested for static horsepower and "run-in" in a test cell according to the mfg's instructions. Other than major airframe repairs after a wreck (and certain autoflight system repairs), I have never signed off/or required a test flight. Personally, I don't think a brand spanking new engine-out landing will be "appreciably changed" from a whipped 20something year-old engine-out landing... TC |
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After an annual?
In article . com,
"Robert M. Gary" wrote: Isn't that required by regulation (although only minimum crew is allowed)? Not that I've heard of. Section 91.407: Operation after maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (b) No person may carry any person (other than crewmembers) in an aircraft that has been maintained, rebuilt, or altered in a manner that may have appreciably changed its flight characteristics or substantially affected its operation in flight until an appropriately rated pilot with at least a private pilot certificate flies the aircraft, makes an operational check of the maintenance performed or alteration made, and logs the flight in the aircraft records. How would an engine overhaul have changed the aircraft's flight characteristics? Seriously, I really don't see how 91.407 requires a flight test. Heck, even the STC to install the 160hp engine in my cherokee didn't require a flight test. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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After an annual?
-----Original Message----- From: ] Posted At: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:03 PM Posted To: rec.aviation.owning Conversation: After an annual? Subject: After an annual? On 19 Dec 2006 16:03:23 -0800, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: snip Section 91.407: Operation after maintenance, preventive maintenance, rebuilding, or alteration. (b) No person may carry any person (other than crewmembers) in an aircraft that has been maintained, rebuilt, or altered in a manner that may have appreciably changed its flight characteristics or substantially affected its operation in flight until an appropriately rated pilot with at least a private pilot certificate flies the aircraft, makes an operational check of the maintenance performed or alteration made, and logs the flight in the aircraft records. Anything other than a field overhaul will have been tested for static horsepower and "run-in" in a test cell according to the mfg's instructions. Other than major airframe repairs after a wreck (and certain autoflight system repairs), I have never signed off/or required a test flight. Personally, I don't think a brand spanking new engine-out landing will be "appreciably changed" from a whipped 20something year-old engine-out landing... TC I haven't seen it done either, but what about the phrase "...may have appreciably changed its flight characteristics or substantially affected its operation in flight"? That could easily mean an annual inspection where access panels and floor boards were removed or where control cables were disconnected and lubed, or any other type maintenance that might impact safety of flight. I think this is a really good question that has been raised and I would expect the attorneys to think likewise. |
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After an annual?
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Noel ] Posted At: Tuesday, December 19, 2006 7:48 PM Posted To: rec.aviation.owning Conversation: After an annual? Subject: After an annual? In article . com, "Robert M. Gary" wrote: .... Seriously, I really don't see how 91.407 requires a flight test. Heck, even the STC to install the 160hp engine in my cherokee didn't require a flight test. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate Why would the STC have to require a flight check is one was required by FAR? I can easily see how an engine overhaul or upgrade (per STC) could change flight characteristics. |
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After an annual?
On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 02:22:34 GMT, "Jim Carter"
wrote: snip I haven't seen it done either, but what about the phrase "...may have appreciably changed its flight characteristics or substantially affected its operation in flight"? That could easily mean an annual inspection where access panels and floor boards were removed or where control cables were disconnected and lubed, or any other type maintenance that might impact safety of flight. I think this is a really good question that has been raised and I would expect the attorneys to think likewise. time out. please stop. I defy you to find ANY aviation maintenance facility in the United States that has a policy of performing a CFR-defined "test flight" after ANY routine periodic inspection or general "maintenance" prior to approval for return to service. BTW, if it isn't written into the logbooks as such, technically, it didn't happen. With regard to certain specific airframe maintenance, certain specific auto-flight and stall warning systems, the mfg's AMM has specific requirements for performing a "test flight". TC P.S. FWIW, who do you really think returns a type-certificated aircraft to service after inspection or maintenance, thus implying approval of it's "airworthiness"? |
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After an annual?
In article 000301c723dd$b2e364e0$e302a8c0@omnibook6100,
"Jim Carter" wrote: Why would the STC have to require a flight check is one was required by FAR? I can easily see how an engine overhaul or upgrade (per STC) could change flight characteristics. For the same reason the STC included instructions to file a 337? -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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