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WinPilot Pro AAT bug?
Several times in the last few months, the latest version (8.08) of
WinPilot Pro has crashed (exited abnormally) on me while I was moving an AAT mobile turnpoint around using the touch-sensitive screen. One second everything is fine, and the next I'm staring at the PDA startup screen. When this happens, WinPilot loses all task information, so unless you have remembered to save the task before this happens, you are SOL. I've emailed Jerry about this a few times, but there has been no response. Anyone else out there experiencing this problem with V8.08 (I have the PRO version, but it might be happening with ADV too), or am I just lucky ;-)? TIA, Frank (TA) |
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WinPilot Pro AAT bug?
On Dec 18, 9:02�pm, Frank wrote:
Several times in the last few months, the latest version (8.08) of WinPilot Pro has crashed (exited abnormally) on me while I was moving an AAT mobile turnpoint around using the touch-sensitive screen. �One second everything is fine, and the next I'm staring at the PDA startup screen. �When this happens, WinPilot loses all task information, so unless you have remembered to save the task before this happens, you are SOL. I've emailed Jerry about this a few times, but there has been no response. �Anyone else out there experiencing this problem with V8..08 (I have the PRO version, but it might be happening with ADV too), or am I just lucky ;-)? TIA, Frank (TA) Try downloading it again, and reinstalling it. I am not having any problems. # 711. |
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WinPilot Pro AAT bug?
Finally, someone else besides me having this problem!!! I've reported
it to Jerry a number of times in the last 2+ years; I've been experiencing it since at least version 6.x. Frank, what PDA are you using? It's possible that the problem is in a driver, not in Jerry's software. I'm using an hx4705. The more information we can gather, the better. ~ted/2NO |
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WinPilot Pro AAT bug?
On Dec 20, 2:33*pm, Tuno wrote:
Finally, someone else besides me having this problem!!! I've reported it to Jerry a number of times in the last 2+ years; I've been experiencing it since at least version 6.x. Frank, what PDA are you using? It's possible that the problem is in a driver, not in Jerry's software. I'm using an hx4705. The more information we can gather, the better. ~ted/2NO Ted, Yes, I've had the same experience with Jerry - sometimes he answers, sometimes he doesn't. If anyone knows how to get a response out of him, they aren't telling ;-). I'm running a Compaq iPAQ 3955 with 64M system RAM, 32M ROM, with Windows PPC (WinCE 4.20). I went through all last season with no problems until the Fairfield contest in October, where it crashed on me two days in a row on AAT tasks. Doesn't sound like a driver problem to me. First, we are running different OS levels, with (presumably) different driver sets. Secondly, it is clear the bug is triggered by mtp movement, which smacks of some sort of stack overrun problem. It could also be some sort of long-term memory leak (like a hidden log file or something) that consumes system memory over time. I wrote Jerry a long note about this (see below), but of course no response ;-). I think we should start posting all our bug reports here on RAS. At least that way we have some chance of gathering a common set of bug descriptions, and people who are considering putting there money down will be forewarned. WinPilot is a great program, and was fairly robust through most of last season. However, two race day crashes in a row has shaken my faith - I'm looking for something else now. Frank (TA) ************************************************** ************************************************** ***************** email sent 10/17/07: To: WinPilot Subject: WinPilot Pro abnormal exits Jerry, At Fairfield, WinPilot exited abnormally on me the last two days in a row. When the problem occurred, I was moving the last mobile turnpoint with my thumb. In both cases, the program exited back to the main screen (the one with the 'WinPilot' and 'WinPilot Simulator' choices) without warning of any kind. In both cases, when I touched the 'WinPilot' choice, the program came back up with everything mostly intact, but the differential time remaining value was all screwed up. In one case it showed something like 23 hours and 10 minutes, and in the other case it showed something like 95 hours. It is possible I was causing a phenomenon similar to 'contact bounce' as I tried to move the mtp. I remember in both cases that I was moving my thumb up the screen with a rubbing motion, and felt some thumb vibration just before the exit occurred. Maybe WinPilot was entering & exiting 'drag' mode too rapidly for the program to handle? These incidents were a real PITA, as I was dragging the last mtp around to figure out when to turn for final glide. Having the program exit just then was *not* conducive to pilot sanity! ;-). Frank ************************************************** ************************************************** ***************** Got through an entire AAT race this evening with no problems, but I was on pins and needles the entire time. Tonight I saw a couple more problems. At one point I saw the mtp for turnpoint 2 *way* outside the turn circle, even with the 'keep mtp inside cirle' option checke. I have suspected in the past that this option was occasionally not honored, but tonight I saw it for sure. Also, I'm starting to get a lot of 'Low Memory - Freeing' warning messages, both in the sim and in the real WinPilot. I've been using the same PDA for over a year now, and haven't seen the problem until recently. Anyone got any clues what to do about this? |
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Frank,
No need to post all our bug reports here. Jerry may not be as responsive as we like sometimes but he does a pretty good job with what he has. I agree with you that the evidence points to a but in the aat mtp code. I used to get "Low Memory" messages too but since I started using it with terrain turned off, and with my own aviation data, this is no longer an issue. -ted/2NO |
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Tuno wrote:
Frank, No need to post all our bug reports here. Jerry may not be as responsive as we like sometimes but he does a pretty good job with what he has. A Yahoo or Google group would be a better choice anyway. It would serve the Winpilot owners better, and avoid littering RAS with such product specific detail. If a group is started, I hope it will be open to everyone, at least for reading and searching. For example, the SeeYou forums are open, even though they are provided by the software producer (Naviter) and could be closed to now-owners. Open forums benefit glider pilots that are trying to decide on which software to buy and how much support is available. The software provider benefits because prospective customers are more likely to become customers when they see the company isn't trying to hide problems and will respond to requests. -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly * "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4 * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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WinPilot Pro AAT bug?
I was under the impression that this group is for a "point of interest" for
all soaring related issues. Given the fact that we (WinPilot) users are paying good money for the program and upgrades, we deserve some answers. What better place to voice frustrations than here? I too, had problems with this program (lack of understanding and otherwise) in the passed and if it was not for Richard at Craggy Aero I would have switched to something else a long time ago. As far as Jerry, I give him an "A" for designing this program and an "F" for service.PeterK "Bob Gibbons" wrote in message ... How about using Al MacDonalds Gliderforum site. http://www.gliderforum.com Al already has a "Software" forum under "General Discussion". The site is open to everyone and has little to no problem with spam generation. On Winpilot, I've been using the program for years and have been trying (for years) to get Jerry to incorporate the altitude safety margin into the "L/D Required" NavBox. No response to multiple queries. Looks like Jerry has lost interest in the program...too bad, it was one of the first, and, for many years, the best. Bob On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:38:19 GMT, Eric Greenwell wrote: Tuno wrote: Frank, No need to post all our bug reports here. Jerry may not be as responsive as we like sometimes but he does a pretty good job with what he has. A Yahoo or Google group would be a better choice anyway. It would serve the Winpilot owners better, and avoid littering RAS with such product specific detail. If a group is started, I hope it will be open to everyone, at least for reading and searching. For example, the SeeYou forums are open, even though they are provided by the software producer (Naviter) and could be closed to now-owners. Open forums benefit glider pilots that are trying to decide on which software to buy and how much support is available. The software provider benefits because prospective customers are more likely to become customers when they see the company isn't trying to hide problems and will respond to requests. |
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WinPilot Pro AAT bug?
Peter wrote:
I was under the impression that this group is for a "point of interest" for all soaring related issues. Given the fact that we (WinPilot) users are paying good money for the program and upgrades, we deserve some answers. What better place to voice frustrations than here? I too, had problems with this program (lack of understanding and otherwise) in the passed and if it was not for Richard at Craggy Aero I would have switched to something else a long time ago. As far as Jerry, I give him an "A" for designing this program and an "F" for service.PeterK OK, if you want to open the discussion to the wider audience, here goes: Switch to SeeYou Mobile: excellent program, frequent updates and upgrades, excellent support on their open forum and individually, generous licensing (not tied to single PDA or GPS) and upgrade prices, and a team making sure it continues to happen without depending on one person. Not impressed? Download a SeeYou Mobile evaluation copy, fully functional, and try it in flight; yes, in flight, not just in simulator mode. Still not impressed? Come to the SSA convention in February, learn about the new features, and talk to Andre and Erazem, the SeeYou Team leaders, and their USA dealer, Roy McMaster. At the very least, lurk on the Mobile forum http://www.naviter.si/component/opti...smf/Itemid,238 and see what support can be like. Hope that helps. See you there! -- Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA * Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly * "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4 * "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org |
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WinPilot Pro AAT bug?
On Dec 20, 6:50*pm, Frank wrote:
On Dec 20, 2:33*pm, Tuno wrote: Finally, someone else besides me having this problem!!! I've reported it to Jerry a number of times in the last 2+ years; I've been experiencing it since at least version 6.x. Frank, what PDA are you using? It's possible that the problem is in a driver, not in Jerry's software. I'm using an hx4705. The more information we can gather, the better. ~ted/2NO Ted, Yes, I've had the same experience with Jerry - sometimes he answers, sometimes he doesn't. *If anyone knows how to get a response out of him, they aren't telling ;-). I'm running a Compaq iPAQ 3955 with 64M system RAM, 32M ROM, with Windows PPC (WinCE 4.20). *I went through all last season with no problems until the Fairfield contest in October, where it crashed on me two days in a row on AAT tasks. Doesn't sound like a driver problem to me. *First, we are running different OS levels, with (presumably) different driver sets. Secondly, it is clear the bug is triggered by mtp movement, which smacks of some sort of stack overrun problem. *It could also be some sort of long-term memory leak (like a hidden log file or something) that consumes system memory over time. * I wrote Jerry a long note about this *(see below), but of course no response ;-). I think we should start posting all our bug reports here on RAS. *At least that way we have some chance of gathering a common set of bug descriptions, and people who are considering putting there money down will be forewarned. *WinPilot is a great program, and was fairly robust through most of last season. However, *two race day crashes in a row has shaken my faith - I'm looking for something else now. Frank (TA) ************************************************** ************************************************** ****************** email sent 10/17/07: To: WinPilot Subject: WinPilot Pro abnormal exits Jerry, At Fairfield, WinPilot exited abnormally on me the last two days in a row. *When the problem occurred, I was moving the last mobile turnpoint with my thumb. *In both cases, the program exited back to the main screen (the one with the 'WinPilot' and 'WinPilot Simulator' choices) without warning of any kind. *In both cases, when I touched the 'WinPilot' choice, the program came back up with everything mostly intact, but the differential time remaining value was all screwed up. In one case it showed something like 23 hours and 10 minutes, and in the other case it showed something like 95 hours. It is *possible I was causing a phenomenon similar to 'contact bounce' as I tried to move the mtp. *I remember in both cases that I was moving my thumb up the screen with a rubbing motion, and felt some thumb vibration just before the exit occurred. *Maybe WinPilot was entering & exiting 'drag' mode too rapidly for the program to handle? These incidents were a real PITA, as I was dragging the last mtp around to figure out when to turn for final glide. *Having the program exit just then was *not* conducive to pilot sanity! ;-). Frank ************************************************** ************************************************** ****************** Got through an entire AAT race this evening with no problems, but I was on pins and needles the entire time. *Tonight I saw a couple more problems. *At one point I saw the mtp for turnpoint 2 *way* outside the turn circle, even with the 'keep mtp inside cirle' option checke. I have suspected in the past that this option was occasionally not honored, but tonight I saw it for sure. *Also, I'm starting to get a lot of 'Low Memory - Freeing' warning messages, both in the sim and in the real WinPilot. *I've been using the same PDA for over a year now, and haven't seen the problem until recently. *Anyone got any clues what to do about this? Frank, Check and see if you have any other programs running Start Settings System Memory Running Programs. Also you can check the memory and see if something else is using it or you can make more available. I had some turn area problems when my thermal database included thermals in both parowan and montague, when I cleaned up the file the problems stopped. As you can imagine this problem was really hard to find, I just stumbled on it and everything got better. I would also try a hard reset and reinstall the program. Richard www.craggyaero.com |
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WinPilot Pro AAT bug?
I'm a fan of most of the work that the Naviter team does, but I sure
wish that they didn't use a proprietary binary file format for their airspace (*.cup) files. Of course this doesn't prevent people from using other airspace files; SeeYou can load just about anything and its Mobile Wizard can be used to create custom airspace files for use with SeeYou Mobile. |
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