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Old June 30th 08, 12:13 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
William Black[_1_]
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"Michael Shirley" wrote in message
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On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:18:15 -0700, Tiger wrote:


Tu-95 have been active in other nato areas. They don't need to fly to
Alaska to take pics of F-22's. They can go to Google......


They want to collect things like reaction times, radar frequencies and
pulse rates, and stuff like that. You can bet that those old Bears are
packed up the gazoo with ELINT gear as well as the usual bomber stuff.


I would imagine all the bomber stuff went out of the door to make room for
the operator positions and all those computers.


--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.



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Old June 30th 08, 05:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Richard Casady
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
wrote:


Flight picked up by radar 500 miles out.


I doubt it. Radar is basically line of sight and even 300 is a long,
long way for radar.

Casady
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Old June 30th 08, 05:36 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Jack Linthicum
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On Jun 30, 12:27 pm, (Richard Casady)
wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum

wrote:

Flight picked up by radar 500 miles out.


I doubt it. Radar is basically line of sight and even 300 is a long,
long way for radar.

Casady


Wanna bet? look up OTH radar, either frontscatter or backscatter.
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Old June 30th 08, 05:55 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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William Black wrote:
"Michael Shirley" wrote in message
newsp.udj0zznjra3qj7@schooner-blue...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:18:15 -0700, Tiger wrote:


Tu-95 have been active in other nato areas. They don't need to fly to
Alaska to take pics of F-22's. They can go to Google......

They want to collect things like reaction times, radar frequencies and
pulse rates, and stuff like that. You can bet that those old Bears are
packed up the gazoo with ELINT gear as well as the usual bomber stuff.


I would imagine all the bomber stuff went out of the door to make room for
the operator positions and all those computers.



Do they still use tail gunners in Bears?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
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Old June 30th 08, 06:16 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Jack Linthicum
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On Jun 30, 12:55 pm, Dan wrote:
William Black wrote:
"Michael Shirley" wrote in message
newsp.udj0zznjra3qj7@schooner-blue...
On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:18:15 -0700, Tiger wrote:


Tu-95 have been active in other nato areas. They don't need to fly to
Alaska to take pics of F-22's. They can go to Google......
They want to collect things like reaction times, radar frequencies and
pulse rates, and stuff like that. You can bet that those old Bears are
packed up the gazoo with ELINT gear as well as the usual bomber stuff.


I would imagine all the bomber stuff went out of the door to make room for
the operator positions and all those computers.


Do they still use tail gunners in Bears?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired


DEpends on the mod. Check out the Bear G
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Old June 30th 08, 06:19 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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Jack Linthicum wrote:

Wanna bet? look up OTH radar, either frontscatter or backscatter.


Ayuh, the bane of ham radio DXing during the cold war.

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Old June 30th 08, 06:27 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Jack Linthicum
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On Jun 30, 1:19 pm, "St. John Smythe" wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:

Wanna bet? look up OTH radar, either frontscatter or backscatter.


Ayuh, the bane of ham radio DXing during the cold war.

--
sus


IIRC there is a frontscatter site in Norway that would serve any
Alaskan long range detection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoAi629cEHM
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Old June 30th 08, 07:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
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"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message
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On Jun 30, 1:19 pm, "St. John Smythe" wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:

Wanna bet? look up OTH radar, either frontscatter or backscatter.


Ayuh, the bane of ham radio DXing during the cold war.

--
sus


IIRC there is a frontscatter site in Norway that would serve any
Alaskan long range detection.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoAi629cEHM



There's been a lot of noise heard in South Africa on the 160m band in the
last few weeks. It got so bad that it just about ruined a recent "Top Band"
contest. The source has tentatively been identified as a Loran transmitter
somewhere in the Far East. I've heard stories from some older hams about
"the woodpeckers" and the trouble they caused.


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Old June 30th 08, 07:29 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
Jack Linthicum
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On Jun 30, 2:07 pm, "Roger Conroy"
wrote:
"Jack Linthicum" wrote in message

...

On Jun 30, 1:19 pm, "St. John Smythe" wrote:
Jack Linthicum wrote:


Wanna bet? look up OTH radar, either frontscatter or backscatter.


Ayuh, the bane of ham radio DXing during the cold war.


--
sus


IIRC there is a frontscatter site in Norway that would serve any
Alaskan long range detection.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoAi629cEHM


There's been a lot of noise heard in South Africa on the 160m band in the
last few weeks. It got so bad that it just about ruined a recent "Top Band"
contest. The source has tentatively been identified as a Loran transmitter
somewhere in the Far East. I've heard stories from some older hams about
"the woodpeckers" and the trouble they caused.


One of the great ironies of radio is that most of the early research
was done by amateurs. In 1920 there was a conference in Washington
among the Western powers. They came up with the first radio frequency
allocation chart (as opposed to a list of frequencies). The chart
clearly states that anything above 1500 kHz is unusable and is
reserved for amateur and experimental. Wonder what property rights
like that would bring today?
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Old June 30th 08, 07:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.military,sci.military.naval,rec.aviation.military.naval
William Black[_1_]
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"Richard Casady" wrote in message
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 10:05:16 -0700 (PDT), Jack Linthicum
wrote:


Flight picked up by radar 500 miles out.


I doubt it. Radar is basically line of sight and even 300 is a long,
long way for radar.


Wanna bet?

Put 'OTH Radar' into a search engine near you

--
William Black


I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.



 




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