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Ed Rasimus wrote:
(Eric Moore) wrote: Ed Rasimus wrote in message . .. As for combat effectiveness with the hung gun, an AF type, Dee Simmonds killed two MiGs during the great SEA unpleasantness with one. I see Dee every year at the River Rats Reunion. What about weapon-bay-mounted guns? I know the F-106 and the F-111 could accomodate a vulcan cannon in their weapon bays. How effective were they? Were setups like this ever used in anger? The F-106 holds the distinction of being one of only two USAF inventory systems that did not see combat in SEA. (The other was the B-58.) The weapon-bay installation occurred after SEA combat was over. The F-111 never carried the gun in USAF combat. Not correct. According to aircrew who flew the 'Pig' in SEA (see Thornborough: "F-111: Success in Action"), they were required to carry the gun pod on every mission. No that they thought it was useful, given that the mission involved going in at night/under the weather when the MiGs really couldn't play, and they certanly had no intention of strafing, especially single-ship. But they were ordered to carry it anyway, much as 7th AF ordered F-105F weasels to carry jammer pods which they virtually never used, and which displaced a Shrike. With it's largeplanform, high wing loading, poor agility, ground map optimized radar and rotten visibility, the Vark was remarkably unsuited for air-to-air combat. Not even the most ardent Vark supporter would have wanted to engage MiGs in one. The defense was high speed escape. Yup. If some MiG had been unfortunate enough to find itself in front of a Vark, then maybe the gun might have been useful (as it was on the F-105 in similar circumstances), but the F-111 normally operated in very different weather/visibility/tactical conditions than the F-105. Guy |
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Ed- Although I've got more combat hours in the F-4 than the F-105, I've
got more time engaged with MiGs in the 105 than the F-4. BRBR can't let that pass...anything you can tell us about Mig engagements in the Thud?? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Ed- My "best" or possibly "worst" is described in When Thunder Rolled in
the chapter titled, "Of MiGs and Moustaches." You've got to buy the book! There's also the description of my near rejoin one day on a flight of three MiG-21s. BRBR I will this WE-thanks- P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Got it yesterday and it looks like a great read(loved the part about the BOQ).
Any other books you can recommend about the air war in VN, other than the excellent suggestions at the beginning of your book? P. C. Chisholm CDR, USN(ret.) Old Phart Phormer Phantom, Turkey, Viper, Scooter and Combat Buckeye Phlyer |
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Ed,
F-105 Wild Weasel "Bear." That's as in "trained bear" - F-105 WW backseater, right? -- Mike Kanze 436 Greenbrier Road Half Moon Bay, California 94019-2259 USA 650-726-7890 "I've had a lot of calls asking if my dog Ernest was running for Governor. I explained to each caller that Ernest died several years ago, to which the usual response has been, 'So what?' Come to think of it, would a dead dog running for Governor make California look any more weird than it already does?" - Al Shugart, Chairman - Friends of Ernest (San José Mercury-News, 8-16-03) "Ed Rasimus" wrote in message ... [snipped] |
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