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SAFETY ALERT
I regularly get safety alerts (bulletins, notices) from the FAA and
AOPA, but I never get one from the SSA. I went digging to see if the SSA had a similar program. I went to SSA home page, then to SSA Partners..........Hmm, safety isn't a primary concern of the SSA and is relegated to a soaring partner? Then to Soaring Safety Foundation, then to Accident Prevention, then to Advisory Notices and I actually found one! Yep on 5/23/05 the SSF pumped out a Notice about props on solo engines. We have just had 5 fatal accidents within the last 45 days and not a peep out of the SSA or the 'partner' SSF. I submit the following that might have been published (but wasn't): 1 July, 2011 Glider crashes after initiating practice rope preak at 200 feet! 1 dead, 1 severly injured SSA recommends practice rope breaks not be done below 500 feet and only after thoroughly briefing before the flight. Briefing to include altitude at which rope break will be initiated and pilots intended actions. All are reminded that a simple 180 degree turn will place the glider parallel to, but not ovet the departure runway. Recommend a 90 / 270 when returning to departure runway (altitude permitting). 15 July, 2011 Glider spoilers open after takeoff, tow pilot gave rudder-wag (check spoilers) which was misunderstood. Glider crashed into trees. 1 dead, 1 seriously injured This accident could have been prevented with a simple call from the tow pilot to "close your spoilers", had radios been required by the club or FBO. SSA recommends all gliders and tow planes be equipped with radios and a com-check be performed before all takeoffs. The com-check will insure both radios are on, tuned to the same frequency, volume up, squelch set and battery charged. 8 July, 2011 Off field landing accident (motor glider) 1 dead SSA recommends that all gliders keep a suitable landing spot within gliding distance at all times and engine starts not be attempted below 1500 agl. JJ Sinclair (for the SSA that could be) |
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On Aug 21, 11:04*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I regularly get safety alerts (bulletins, notices) from the FAA and AOPA, but I never get one from the SSA. I went digging to see if the SSA had a similar program. I went to SSA home page, then to SSA Partners..........Hmm, safety isn't a primary concern of the SSA and is relegated to a soaring partner? Then to Soaring Safety Foundation, then to Accident Prevention, then to Advisory Notices and I actually found one! Yep on 5/23/05 the SSF pumped out a Notice about props on solo engines. We have just had 5 fatal accidents within the last 45 days and not a peep out of the SSA or the 'partner' SSF. I submit the following that might have been published (but wasn't): 1 July, 2011 * Glider crashes after initiating practice rope preak at 200 feet! * * * * * * * * * * * 1 dead, 1 severly injured SSA recommends practice rope breaks not be done below 500 feet and only after thoroughly briefing before the flight. Briefing to include altitude at which rope break will be initiated and pilots intended actions. All are reminded that a simple 180 degree turn will place the glider parallel to, but not ovet the departure runway. Recommend a 90 / 270 when returning to departure runway (altitude permitting). 15 July, 2011 * *Glider spoilers open after takeoff, tow pilot gave rudder-wag (check spoilers) which was misunderstood. Glider crashed into trees. * * * * * * * * * * * *1 dead, *1 seriously injured This accident could have been prevented with a simple call from the tow pilot to "close your spoilers", had radios been required by the club or FBO. SSA recommends all gliders and tow planes be equipped with radios and a com-check be performed before all takeoffs. The com-check will insure both radios are on, tuned to the same frequency, volume up, squelch set and battery charged. 8 July, 2011 * * Off field landing accident (motor glider) * * * * * * * * * * * *1 dead SSA recommends that all gliders keep a suitable landing spot within gliding distance at all times and engine starts not be attempted below 1500 agl. JJ Sinclair (for the SSA that could be) JJ wrote;"I went digging to see if the SSA had a similar program. I went to SSA home page, then to SSA Partners..........Hmm, safety isn't a primary concern of the SSA and is relegated to a soaring partner? Then to Soaring Safety Foundation, then to Accident Prevention, then to Advisory Notices and I actually found one! Yep on 5/23/05 the SSF pumped out a Notice about props on solo engines." It is AMAZING! So what are these folks doing at the Soaring Safety Foundation anyway???.... |
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On Aug 21, 2:04*pm, JJ Sinclair wrote:
I regularly get safety alerts (bulletins, notices) from the FAA and AOPA, but I never get one from the SSA. I went digging to see if the SSA had a similar program. I went to SSA home page, then to SSA Partners..........Hmm, safety isn't a primary concern of the SSA and is relegated to a soaring partner? Then to Soaring Safety Foundation, then to Accident Prevention, then to Advisory Notices and I actually found one! Yep on 5/23/05 the SSF pumped out a Notice about props on solo engines. We have just had 5 fatal accidents within the last 45 days and not a peep out of the SSA or the 'partner' SSF. I submit the following that might have been published (but wasn't): 1 July, 2011 * Glider crashes after initiating practice rope preak at 200 feet! * * * * * * * * * * * 1 dead, 1 severly injured SSA recommends practice rope breaks not be done below 500 feet and only after thoroughly briefing before the flight. Briefing to include altitude at which rope break will be initiated and pilots intended actions. All are reminded that a simple 180 degree turn will place the glider parallel to, but not ovet the departure runway. Recommend a 90 / 270 when returning to departure runway (altitude permitting). 15 July, 2011 * *Glider spoilers open after takeoff, tow pilot gave rudder-wag (check spoilers) which was misunderstood. Glider crashed into trees. * * * * * * * * * * * *1 dead, *1 seriously injured This accident could have been prevented with a simple call from the tow pilot to "close your spoilers", had radios been required by the club or FBO. SSA recommends all gliders and tow planes be equipped with radios and a com-check be performed before all takeoffs. The com-check will insure both radios are on, tuned to the same frequency, volume up, squelch set and battery charged. 8 July, 2011 * * Off field landing accident (motor glider) * * * * * * * * * * * *1 dead SSA recommends that all gliders keep a suitable landing spot within gliding distance at all times and engine starts not be attempted below 1500 agl. JJ Sinclair (for the SSA that could be) All of the material for the prevention of those accidents is widely available ...in just about any and every gliding texbook I have ever seen.......Every instructor I know of also addresses all of those concerns in detail during training....every club I have been involved with addresses those scenarios... Any pilot with even the most basic skill and common sense can easily avoid all of those accident scenarios... Rope demo and practice at only 500' or higher does not properly train pilots for the real world...rope breaks at lower altitudes are not necessarily dangerous.... Motor glider obvioulsy takes additional and specialized skills....... The SAA cannot fly the glider for you...... Cookie |
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Personally I want the SSA lobbying against rules not making up new
ones or reminding me of old ones. When advocacy organizations become governing/safetycratic they are ruined, worse than useless. Let the SSA keep the gov't at bay, pilots, clubs, and insurance companies can sort the safety standards. |
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On Aug 21, 2:15*pm, "
wrote: Personally I want the SSA lobbying against rules not making up new ones or reminding me of old ones. * When advocacy organizations become governing/safetycratic they are ruined, worse than useless. *Let the SSA keep the gov't at bay, pilots, clubs, and insurance companies can sort the safety standards. So; than what is SSA for, not for pilots and clubs? You said you would like insurance companies set the safety standards? God help us all!! 6PK |
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All of the material for the prevention of those accidents is widely available ...in just about any and every gliding texbook I have ever seen.......Every instructor I know of also addresses all of those concerns in detail during training....every club I have been involved with addresses those scenarios... The purpose of a Safety Alert is to remind all that this sport can kill and old knowledge needs to be reviewed from time to time. Any pilot with even the most basic skill and common sense can easily avoid all of those accident scenarios... Yes, but these guys didn't avoid the accident, did they? Rope demo and practice at only 500' or higher does not properly train pilots for the real world...rope breaks at lower altitudes are not necessarily dangerous.... The AF used to do "real world" training by snatching a throttle of takeoff, just to see what the pilot being evaluated would do. All too often he would shut down the wrong engine and now they had a "real world" emergency all right with 2 engines out. The AF stopped doing that and thoroughly briefed all emergencies before hand. Real world emergencies are best practiced in the simulator. This accident just proved that "real world" training can lead to "real world" disaster, didn't it? Motor glider obvioulsy takes additional and specialized skills....... My post reminded those motor glider pilots still with us, of just that, didn't it? The SAA cannot fly the glider for you...... No, but the SSA can remind us that this sport can kill you and reemphasize some points that need attention. JJ Sinclair Cookie- - |
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The purpose of a Safety Alert is to remind all that this sport can kill and old knowledge needs to be reviewed from time to time. You need a "safety alert" to remind you that soaring is a potentially dangerous activity?? Safety knowlege is not supposed to be "old knowlege"....it is supposed to be on the top of your list for every flight! Let's see here......a glider....it flys thousands of feet up, and covers hunderds of miles, and has no internal power source....yep seems really safe to me...no problem... Any pilot with even the most basic skill and common sense can easily avoid all of those accident scenarios... Yes, but these guys didn't avoid the accident, did they? And why was that? Maybe they were lacking in the most basic of skills?....taking unnesessary risks? lacking common sense?? Lacking review of safety issues before flight? Not doing proper preflight? Not doing proper checklists?? Rope demo and practice at only 500' or higher does not properly train pilots for the real world...rope breaks at lower altitudes are not necessarily dangerous.... The AF used to do "real world" training by snatching a throttle of takeoff, just to see what the pilot being evaluated would do. All too often he would shut down the wrong engine and now they had a "real world" emergency all right with 2 engines out. The AF stopped doing that and thoroughly briefed all emergencies before hand. Real world emergencies are best practiced in the simulator. This accident just proved that "real world" training can lead to "real world" disaster, didn't it? Now you're onto "simulator"...always with the electronic gadgets! I don't really see the comparison....but avoiding the problem (low rope breaks) does nothing in the way of training for a real rope break.........as and instructor, I have done (or done with my students) hundreds of rope breaks in the 200 to 250 range.....without incident.....I am sure that thousands if not tens of thousands of rope break training scenarios have been done without incident.....It is part of glider training...it is required by the PTS......It is on every flight test......It should be on every flgiht review.... Motor glider obvioulsy takes additional and specialized skills....... My post reminded those motor glider pilots still with us, of just that, didn't it? Thank god you're there to remind those motorglider pilots.....I mean they would just be out there flying around aimlessly and dangerously......... The SAA cannot fly the glider for you...... No, but the SSA can remind us that this sport can kill you and reemphasize some *points that need attention. Again...if you need the SSA to remind you(of the blatently obvious)....time for another hobby.... Once again you solution to safety is always on the outside.........SSA, FAA, NTSB, Safety alert...two way radio, flarm, simulator, transponder...... My solution is to turn to the inside....what can I do to make myself safer? Cookie |
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OK Cookie, you don't like my Safety Alert idea. What actions would you
take to counter the recent rash of soaring accidents? JJ |
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On Aug 22, 9:44*am, JJ Sinclair wrote:
OK Cookie, you don't like my Safety Alert idea. What actions would you take to counter the recent rash of soaring accidents? JJ Well I can't counter the recent rash of accidents because they have already happened......unless I get a time machine. But I can point out actions to prevent pilots form repeting those errors. Most pilots are already doing preventitive measures, which is simply a part of being a pilot and taking responsibility. So lets take the recent incidents one by one, starting with the "low pass" incident. Solution: Don't do low passes! JJ, that is the short answer and sums it up....and insures 100% accident free due to low passes..... If you don't understand this answer....I can give you the long version if you wish. Or we can move on the another incident... Cookie |
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On Aug 22, 5:19*pm, Cookie wrote:
On Aug 22, 9:44*am, JJ Sinclair wrote: OK Cookie, you don't like my Safety Alert idea. What actions would you take to counter the recent rash of soaring accidents? JJ Well I can't counter the recent rash of accidents because they have already happened......unless I get a time machine. But I can point out actions to prevent pilots form repeting those errors. *Most pilots are already doing preventitive measures, which is simply a part of being a pilot and taking responsibility. So lets take the recent incidents one by one, starting with the "low pass" incident. Solution: Don't do low passes! JJ, that is the short answer and sums it up....and insures 100% accident free due to low passes..... If you don't understand this answer....I can give you the long version if you wish. *Or we *can move on the another incident... Cookie Cookie, isn't this exactly what JJ was suggesting?? Reminding people the dangers of low pass so they will avoid doing this? Same goes for the rudder signal, low rope break etc. Remind people the risks and consequences so hopefully someone else will avoid the same mistake. There are still many pilots out there who live under a rock and believe that soaring is safer than driving to the airport. The SSF and the rest of us should discuss accidents so we all try to learn something and remind ourself of the many ways we can kill ourself. Ramy |
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