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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message
Hey, I know how to hold a screwdriver. May I do your annual on your plane? Sorry for sounding harsh ... You don't sound harsh. You're just being an ass (as usual, I might add). It's not like he's working on somebody else's site now, is it? The only business he risks with his web site is his own, isn't it? Since that's the case, why not be polite about *suggesting* improvements (you know, something we like to call "constructive criticism"). In the meantime, perhaps you should avoid his site so you don't muddy your PC with his HTML and JS. -- John T http://tknowlogy.com/tknoFlyer _______________ |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 17:48:38 GMT, John T wrote:
The only business he risks with his web site is his own, isn't it? true Since that's the case, why not be polite about *suggesting* improvements (you know, something we like to call "constructive criticism"). well, Jay comes and asks questions and asks for suggestions. There were suggestions like "validate your site", "don't use Frontpage", "it is not the best idea to use JS in the navigation", "there is crappy code in the bottom of the page" _I_ call that constructive, YMMV #m -- http://www.declareyourself.com/fyr_candidates.php http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml |
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you compare one Microsoft crap with another Microsoft crap. Microsoft is
NOT standard Wow. Talk about tilting at windmills. (That's a "Don Quixote" reference, in case it doesn't translate well....) The score is 98 to 2, and you still think Microsoft hasn't won the OS war? You are, at best, incurably optimistic. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 18:53:44 GMT, Jay Honeck wrote:
you compare one Microsoft crap with another Microsoft crap. Microsoft is NOT standard Wow. Talk about tilting at windmills. (That's a "Don Quixote" reference, in case it doesn't translate well....) it reached the target. The score is 98 to 2, and you still think Microsoft hasn't won the OS war? hm, what has an OS to do with internet, esp. WWW? #m -- http://www.declareyourself.com/fyr_candidates.php http://www.subterrane.com/bush.shtml |
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Since '97?
To be "accurate" you have to both validate AND check with the entire series of browsers (all types, all versions). Validation doesn't help you solve browser bugs! One thing you can to to ease the testing burden is to mine the logs for the existing site (if any, or a similar audience if not) and see what browsers (and versions) visitors are using. Then you can test what 99.9% of visitors use and hope for the best for the rest. On large projects there is a complete specification including the testing plan. By the time I make the proposal I have a pretty good feel for what the client wants and specify the testing plan accordingly. Some want as cheap as possible and could deal with IE-only compatibility, others want the 99.9% or better level and are willing to pay for it. "Jeff" wrote in message ... Been doing this since 1997, I dont bother with that validate stuff, I dont think its very accurate. I just check pages with different browsers and if they load fine I am happy. Peter Gottlieb wrote: I have had good luck with Proxomitron for blocking pop-ups. If I had to live with pop-ups all the time I would probably end up hardly using the net. There are other good blockers out there also. Please, please, PLEASE do *NOT* use his page as an example of how to code HTML. It is a total mess internally. The "table" you are referring to is a long string of erroneous closing tags for tables and table elements that aren't open. It's lucky this page displays at all. When you make a web page it should pass validation. Here's one to try: http://www.w3schools.com/site/site_validate.asp . Pages that validate properly stand a much better chance of working on different platforms (PC, Mac, Linux) with different browsers (IE, NS, Opera, etc). Any sites I make, or have made for me, must validate. Peter "BTIZ" wrote in message news:svEtb.3269$Ue4.933@fed1read01... more OT.. Jay.. I am also learning HTML and MS FrontPage... which "Theme/Style" did you use to create the left menu with the hover button added... or was it some other java script you picked up and inserted.. also there seems to be a rather large "table" at the bottom of the main page.. you can see it in the source code.. but it does not display on the web.. BTW.. I did not get the "pop up", but I have most pop ups disabled via Norton and MS IE. I tend to only get the MS Popups now.. Bill T "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:UdBtb.10159$Dw6.66595@attbi_s02... I changed some of the metafiles (or "meta tags") in my website this afternoon, emphasizing "hotels" more. I did this in an effort to get search engines to "see" our site more clearly, and (hopefully) move us up a few notches in the "results". Well, something worked. Within an hour I had acquired a "pop-up" ad that now shows up every time I open my website. (I assume you ALL see this, right?) It appears to be "keying" on the "hotels" meta tag? (See it -- and hopefully our site -- at www.AlexisParkInn.com ) As most of you know, I'm learning HTML on the fly here -- so excuse the potentially dumb question, but: Is there anything I can do from the webmaster's side to eliminate this kind of "pop-up parasite"? Thanks in advance... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message ... this has nothing to do with elitism. Your point of view is simple ingnorance. Jay said that he is learning. His page looks good, simple, not a lot of flashy crap like a lot of other pages. His page loads fast and has no errors. Back off! You were a beginner too at one point... |
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"Martin Hotze" wrote in message ... well, Jay comes and asks questions and asks for suggestions. There were suggestions like "validate your site", "don't use Frontpage", "it is not the best idea to use JS in the navigation", "there is crappy code in the bottom of the page" _I_ call that constructive, YMMV CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is the way the criticism is worded. Sounds like to me that most people have been a little harsh on Jay. That's NOT constructive criticism. |
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"Chuck" writes:
There were suggestions like "validate your site", "don't use Frontpage", "it is not the best idea to use JS in the navigation", "there is crappy code in the bottom of the page" _I_ call that constructive, YMMV CONSTRUCTIVE criticism is the way the criticism is worded. I beg to differ, but I think that the difference between constructive and destructive criticism is this: Destructive criticism just points out what is bad (as in, for examle, "your HTML code sucks"). Constructive criticism not only points out weaknesses, but also offers help as to how to avoid or alleviate those weaknesses (as in, for example, "your HTML code sucks, because you are using an inferior tool to produce it; if you use this other tool, your code will be better"). In my book, the wording of the criticism may be wise or not-so-wise, in terms of the probability of getting across the point of the criticism, but it does not make a difference as to whether the criticism is constructive or destructive. Just my $.02. Sounds like to me that most people have been a little harsh on Jay. That may be, but IMHO also has nothing to do with whether or not the criticism is constructive or not (and, BTW, even less with whether or not the criticism is justified or not). Regarding the original topic, Jay, I personally find your site easy to navigate and not overly flashy, so from my perspective, thumbs-up with regard to ergonomy. Furthermore, your page is usable with my trusty w3m web browser, which does not support any JavaScript, let alone any fancier stuff, and better yet, your page is also decently useful in text mode, which earns top marks on my list. ;-) However, I also think that the HTML code that FrontPage creates is crappy and a waste of resources, in the sense that a lookalike web page could be created with less effort in terms of network bandwidth or computing power. (I realize that one might argue that nowadays, anybody without a DSL flatrate and a 3 GHz processor and 512 MB of RAM is just plain an old-fashioned fart who lives in the past, but then again, I also think that such a line of arguing is a general excuse for all sorts of purposeless waste of resources, so there is good reason to reject this argument, IMHO.) So, I second the advise that you ought to do yourself a favor by getting better HTML editing software. With regard to the rest of the discussion, I think everybody is entitled to a little leeway when approaching a new field of experience. I am sure most of us started our aviation careers with some pretty bumpy landings (I certainly did ;-)). But we also all practised until we got decent landings, so as long as you realize that you can still improve your web page (at least to the point where it conforms to existing HTML standards), you are good to go, in my opinion. Finally, I would like to refer you to a newsgroup where there are people that have more knowledge on the subject and are more likely to have valuable thoughts and hints regarding your web page, so maybe you'd get more qualified comments than mine at comp.infosystems.www.authoring.html or even comp.infosystems.www.authoring.site-design. Cheers, Toby. -- You know you've landed gear-up when it takes full power to taxi. |
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I understand all of the above Doug... but when the salary paying company is
using MS FP for it's INTRANET and wants you to learn it.. and pays for the course and a home copy for me to use as I desire.. then learn it I shall.. and make myself more valuable to the company... and with what I learn.. if I can "convince" the company that they need to move to Macromedia/Dreamweaver.. or some other "software of the decade" .. then we will make that costly transition at a later time.. (after promotions and I am the decision maker to spend the companies $$) BT "Doug Vetter" wrote in message et... BTIZ wrote: more OT.. Jay.. I am also learning HTML and MS FrontPage... This is such a common topic that I hestiate to respond to it, particularly because it's so OT, but friends don't let friends use FrontPage. :-) May I suggest that you (and Jay, and the remainder of the bipedal world for that matter) NOT waste your time with FrontPage? It creates HORRIBLE (meaning, non-standards-compliant) HTML and some of the most annoying website designs I've ever seen. One particular annoyance is the use of JAVA for simple menu buttons (!) Uh, talk about an improper use of the technology. Some recommendations: 1) Go get a copy of Dreamweaver. You owe it to yourself AND the people who will visit your site. http://www.macromedia.com/software/dreamweaver/ It creates near PERFECT HTML and has a really nice WYSIWYG editor. Incidentally, you don't NEED Dreamweaver or FrontPage to create a website...they only eliminate the need to code raw HTML for the vast majority of sites. And, when you finally discover the wonders of standards-compliant CSS, Dreamweaver will significantly simplify creation of CSS styles. 2) Check out the following site, which contains a lot of really good (and strangely funny) advice on how to create a user-friendly site that emphasizes content and compatability over flashiness and gimicktry. http://www.webpagesthatsuck.com/ For what it's worth, my site was created with Dreamweaver and uses no flash, java, javascript or any other client-side dependent crap, and the first line in almost every email I get that references the site is "hey, you have a really nice site". And no, I'm not being vain...only providing a personal example of what's possible with what I'll choose to call a "minimalist, yet technically competant" approach to website design. Oh, one other thing. STOP using IE. Go grab the latest Mozilla or Firebird browsers. They both have pop-up ad blocking built in. Safe flying, -Doug -- -------------------- Doug Vetter, CFIMEIA http://www.dvcfi.com -------------------- |
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I have no problem with you or anyone using poor (but usable) tools to make
web pages. Obviously a web page with some internal problems problems is much better than not having a web page. However! I think it is a very bad idea to take such a sloppily created page and use it as an example of good HTML code! That's the issue I have. I did web stuff for something like 10 years and learned (the hard way...) about browser compatibility. Peter "Jay Honeck" wrote in message news:28Ltb.213582$Tr4.618517@attbi_s03... Jay.. I am also learning HTML and MS FrontPage... Well, Bill, despite Peter's (and others) elitist attitudes toward building a web page, this ain't rocket science. Microsoft FrontPage -- for all of its quirks -- is head and shoulders above any other web editor I've tried, for ease of use. Sure, you can go with Dreamweaver for more "power" -- if you've got a few weeks of your life to devote to something as stupid as learning a new program. Nowadays, with PCs as powerful as mainframes once were, there is simply no reason for a program to be anything but naked-butt simple to use. If it's NOT, that's indicative of poor programming design, IMHO. If you're used to Microsoft Word -- and who isn't nowadays? -- FrontPage is very familiar feeling. Much of the data is interchangeable, actually, and you can share stuff from one program to the other. This really smoothes the learning curve, and lets you start producing almost immediately. which "Theme/Style" did you use to create the left menu with the hover button added... My menu style (on the left side of my page) is called "A graphical style based on the Network theme" -- whatever THAT means. I picked it cuz everyone says it looks nice! :-) I write off this whole debate over HTML editors and technique as nothing more than the "DOS vs Windows" debate, redux. Ten (or was it 15 now?) years ago, I was the dinosaur, decrying the "stupid PC users who were using the new 'Windows' as a crutch". I could be heard grumbling stuff like "Why don't these idiots learn DOS, instead of forcing this stupid GUI down our throats?" Well, I learned that you've gotta keep moving with the technology. Dig your heels in on something like this, and you'll end up being an expert in Borland Paradox database design, trapped in a Microsoft Access world. I know, cuz I AM one of *those*, and it sucks... :-( And, by the way, FWIW I have deleted all that "table" HTML crap at the bottom of the opening page. I have no idea what it was, or how it got there -- nor do I care. It apparently had no effect on performance, which, in the end, is all that matters. -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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