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Best Club class glider
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a
JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. |
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From my little experience at club class competitions, the pilot seems
to have a lot to do with it... Most on your list have done well. Coincidentally, there's an SZD55 for sale in the previous RAS post to yours, close enough to drive home. They're a very good club class ship. Jim |
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On Dec 12, 10:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. It's the one with the nicest trailer and best finish, in that order. Seriously. The whole point of handicapped racing is to equalize the gliders. Any glider that suddenly starts winning every race is going to get a new handicap - and will probably end up at the bottom of the list for a while. More important to get a nice glider that you will enjoy flying, IMHO. Then race the bejeezus out of it!!! Cheers, Kirk 66 (grumpily getting beaten by LS1s in his LS6 in the US Club Class) |
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Keep in mind what Kirk said about what you want. It has to be in a
good trailer, and a ship you enjoy flying. That is by far teh most important thing, as most of your flying will not likely be done in competition. Now, for the competing part. I would not recommend getting the highest performing ship allowed. Why? A slightly lesser performing ship can follow you and you will lose on handicap. Don't get the bottom end and try to win based on handicap. There will be days when you can't get home and the others do. Your handicap will never make up that loss. Find a ship you like in the 70-80% up through the allowed performance range. Seal it, put in good instruments, and fly. Not just weekend fun flying, flag pole sitting stuff. If you are serious on competing, fly like you are competing. Every day. Has been taking me half a bloody contest to get out of "relaxed" flying mode and get into more serious racing mode. I am still relaxed and having fun, but being a bit more selective. My daily scores tend to show this. Steve Leonard |
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On Dec 12, 11:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, I was in the same place about a year ago, and considered, in addition to some of the gliders you mention, a Mini Nimbus and a Mosquito. They'll give you both fantastic value if you can find one that is in shape, in your price range. (I also considered the ASW20, but you're likely to spend a little more on.) I second what was said about trailers; I may add that your choices may be limited by what will be available within your driving range. Be aware of the lifetime limits on the Pegase. You don't list it, but if you're considering an Astir, there's an expensive AD out on it. As for Std Cirrus - the newer ones (75) have a slightly different washout, improving its stall characteristics. The original one has an all-moving tailplane. CG hook only - issue on aerotows - turned out OK for me, but less than ideal for some. I would be more concerned with its finish, the panel that comes with it (new instruments are valuable, but some may be expensive and of little use to you). I ended up buying a Std Cirrus locally, and fixing up the trailer, panel and the cockpit during the spring. |
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I would get the Standard Cirrus.
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get the bottom end and try to win based on handicap. *There will be days when you can't get home and the others do. *Your handicap will never make up that loss. Oh damn there goes my plan to take the 2-22 racing next year If I had a club class glider of any type listed it would probably take a long time to wipe the grin off my face. |
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if you could buy a good one in your budget I'd go for the Hornet above all
the rest! I've owned a mess of gliders......lost count, and have flown everything on your list in one form or another and none on the list come close to the Hornet in pure joy to fly "and own"......I've in fact owned every Hornet "C" in the USA (there were unfortunately one 2 of these ever in the US) ) and have one to this day!.....It may not have the blazing performance of later gliders but with the light wings, super powerful and easy to use dive brakes, large roomy and fully adjustable cockpit, automatic hook-ups of everything, forward hinged canopy and yes.Glasflugel innovation and handling it's just hands down the best ship to own and more than just competitive with everything on your list plus you just don't have to think about flying the glider.it's simply automatic and fly's like you think.....just point and shoot! good luck Tim Please visit the Wings & Wheels website at www.wingsandwheels.com "Paul T" wrote in message .com... Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6705 (20111212) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6705 (20111212) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com |
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On Dec 12, 5:34*pm, "Tim Mara" wrote:
if you could buy a good one in your budget I'd go for the Hornet above all the rest! I've owned a mess of gliders......lost count, and have flown everything on your list in one form or another and none on the list come close to the Hornet in pure joy to fly "and own"......I've in fact owned every Hornet "C" in the USA (there were unfortunately one 2 of these ever in the US) ) and have one to this day!.....It may not have the blazing performance of later gliders but with the light wings, super powerful and easy to use dive brakes, large roomy and fully adjustable cockpit, automatic hook-ups of everything, forward hinged canopy and yes.Glasflugel innovation and handling it's just hands down the best ship to own and more than just competitive with everything on your list plus you just don't have to think about flying the glider.it's simply automatic and fly's like you think.....just point and shoot! good luck Tim Please visit the Wings & Wheels website atwww.wingsandwheels.com "Paul T" wrote in message .com... Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6705 (20111212) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6705 (20111212) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I would go with a glider that is easy to rig. Auto control hook ups are a real plus. The early model Std Circus is IMHO pretty complex to rig. I enjoyed my Standard Libelle. Do not forget about ventilation. Most gliders do not have enough ventilation. Bill Snead 6W Bill Snead |
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Best Club class glider
On Dec 12, 8:40*am, Paul T wrote:
Thinking about purchasing a club class glider for next year (can't afford a JS1 or ASG29). I know Std Cirri seem to be popular, but notice G Dale has bought a DG100 or 101 and won the UK Nationals in it -just wondered which would be the best for club class competition and what the pro's and con's would be of the following:- Std Cirrus, 75 or 81 ? ASW19/19B ASW15B LSIF DG100/101 Std Jantar 2/3 Glasflugel Std Libelle Glasflugel Hornet Pegase I'll have about £15k max to spend. Re-lighting a fire.... I would avoid an LS anything, or a DG anything. Both for the same reason, though the airframes are fine. Like many, I recommend a good trailer, good finish, and ease of assembly. Ruggedness is also a plus. |
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