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No more "Left Downwind"?
"Jay Honeck" wrote:
In his opinion (and, apparently, the FAA's), saying "left downwind" is redundant, since everyone should know that the pattern is left (or right, if appropriate) hand traffic. In my opinion, that's exactly the sort of thinking I would expect from the FAA. |
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No more "Left Downwind"?
Wizard of Draws wrote:
I think pilots are the most freakin' anal SOBs on the planet. And your point is? -- Peter |
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No more "Left Downwind"?
On 9/1/06 10:21 PM, in article
, "Peter R." wrote: Wizard of Draws wrote: I think pilots are the most freakin' anal SOBs on the planet. And your point is? They very often lose sight of the forest for the trees. Is a _single word_ truly worth the bandwidth and time that will be used to debate whether it's proper to use it? The FAA obviously thinks it's worth time and effort, but they have the excuse that they are a bureaucracy, and are abysmally anal by definition. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.wizardofdraws.com More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.cartoonclipart.com |
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No more "Left Downwind"?
I think pilots are the most freakin' anal SOBs on the planet.
And your point is? They very often lose sight of the forest for the trees. Is a _single word_ truly worth the bandwidth and time that will be used to debate whether it's proper to use it? The FAA obviously thinks it's worth time and effort, but they have the excuse that they are a bureaucracy, and are abysmally anal by definition. True enough, Jeff -- but the FAA controls everything we do, for better or worse. Debating this point wasn't MY idea -- it was theirs... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" |
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No more "Left Downwind"?
Jay Honeck wrote:
I think pilots are the most freakin' anal SOBs on the planet. And your point is? They very often lose sight of the forest for the trees. Is a _single word_ truly worth the bandwidth and time that will be used to debate whether it's proper to use it? The FAA obviously thinks it's worth time and effort, but they have the excuse that they are a bureaucracy, and are abysmally anal by definition. True enough, Jeff -- but the FAA controls everything we do, for better or worse. I don't know..say what you want about them, I doubt they're going to violate someone for using the word "left" in a radio transmission. (Ok, so I had a startlingly good conversation with our PMI today, which slightly rekindled my faith in the FAA....probably not deserved) |
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No more "Left Downwind"?
(Ok, so I had a startlingly good conversation with our PMI today, which slightly rekindled my faith in the FAA....probably not deserved)
Care to share? Jose -- The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music. for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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No more "Left Downwind"?
"Jay Honeck" wrote in message oups.com... We attended a safety seminar on Tuesday during which the FAA presenter (who was otherwise outstanding) went over a list of unapproved radio calls. (Number one being, of course, the despised and now-specifically prohibited "Any other traffic please advise...") To our surprise, he claimed that the common phraseology "Iowa City Traffic, N56993 entering left downwind for Runway 25, Iowa City" is incorrect. In short, he stated that you should say "Iowa City Traffic, N56993 entering downwind for Runway 25, Iowa City", omitting the word "left". In his opinion (and, apparently, the FAA's), saying "left downwind" is redundant, since everyone should know that the pattern is left (or right, if appropriate) hand traffic. In high traffic areas, the FAA thinks that omitting this single word will open the over-crowded unicom frequencies so that other pilots can squeeze a word in. Mary and I (and several other pilots) kept quiet during the presentation, but strongly disagree with him on this topic. IMHO, saying "left downwind" is clear, concise, and -- most importantly -- clarifies which side of the airport you're on. To assume that everyone knows whether the pattern is left (or right) is, in my experience, naive. What do you guys think? -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" I've been left downwind when a Business Jet decided to be "right" downwind for the same runway even though the airport is left traffic. I will continue saying left or right as it may warrant. I also do not say "traffic please advise" I hear it ALL the time though. |
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No more "Left Downwind"?
Jose wrote:
(Ok, so I had a startlingly good conversation with our PMI today, which slightly rekindled my faith in the FAA....probably not deserved) Care to share? Jose Oh, nothing piloting related...we had a SUP show up on the doorstep last week and he's going to help us do everything we can to figure out where it came from and what to do with it. I just wasn't expecting that kind of support...I'm used to the FAA either blowing me off and jumping in and taking over. I've been fairly impressed by this particular FSDO. |
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No more "Left Downwind"?
On 9/1/06 10:46 PM, in article
, "Jay Honeck" wrote: I think pilots are the most freakin' anal SOBs on the planet. And your point is? They very often lose sight of the forest for the trees. Is a _single word_ truly worth the bandwidth and time that will be used to debate whether it's proper to use it? The FAA obviously thinks it's worth time and effort, but they have the excuse that they are a bureaucracy, and are abysmally anal by definition. True enough, Jeff -- but the FAA controls everything we do, for better or worse. Debating this point wasn't MY idea -- it was theirs... -- Jay Honeck Iowa City, IA Pathfinder N56993 www.AlexisParkInn.com "Your Aviation Destination" FWIW Jay, my response wasn't directed at you or anyone in particular. I knew, as well as you did, that a nit like this is too tempting for _any_ pilot to remain silent. It's just that the juice ain't worth the squeeze. I'll change my mind when I hear anyone getting busted by the FAA for making a call like this. -- Jeff 'The Wizard of Draws' Bucchino Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.wizardofdraws.com More Cartoons with a Touch of Magic http://www.cartoonclipart.com |
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