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Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS
I doubt you will find a URL. SOES is the Station Operations and Engineering
Squadron. I worked there from 1979 to 1981 maintaining their CH-46A SAR birds. Oh, wait a sec. I see why you can't find it. It's been renamed and is now VMR-1. http://www.cherrypoint.usmc.mil/mcabe/vmr1/vmr1.asp Look at the history page, you'll see this is what used to be SOES. They now have HH-46D's. Looks like they finally upgraded sometime after I left for MCAS(H) Tustin in Southern California and was assigned to HMM-161 until I got out in 1982. They are also listed as having UC-12B King Air's, but that's not what we had when I was there, back then they had Piper Apache's, I forget the designationm U-something too. There were rumors they were going to be replaced with the King Air's but when I left they had not arrived. We already had the C-9B's and we also had some T-39 Sabreliners for VIP transport. This was our hangar. I assume it still is, there's one of the C-9B sitting at its usual parking spot on the ramp. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...06781&t=k&om=1 This is a picture I took on the ramp in 1981, if I remember correctly. Been a while. Look at the discussion page for the image, a Marine who currently works for VMR-1 saw it and commented on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CH46-At-SOES.jpg Juan "Scott" wrote in message .. . Can you provide a link URL? I searched on the MCAS Cherry Point Website with no luck (since I don't know what SOES is...searching with that turned up a Sony Online Entertainment tribute). Searching with your name only turned up 3 hits...all in 2003-2004. Scott Juan Jimenez wrote: Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune. Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for all bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS
"Juan Jimenez" wrote in message .. . "Wayne Paul" wrote in message ... "Juan Jimenez" wrote in message .. . "Wayne Paul" wrote in message ... Juan, Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully the company is located nearby. A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and did it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information here, do ya? Juan, OK,,, was it Bob Hannah Aviation in Caldwell, ID; Warbird Restoration & Maintenance in Jerome, ID; or, John Paul's (no relation) Warhawk Museum,,, here in Nampa, ID? If you don't want to post the ansewer here, you may email me at Thank you, Wayne HP-14 "6F" http://www.soaridaho.com/ See private email. Juan, Thank you for the prompt and informative email. Wayne HP-14 "6F" http://www.soaridaho.com/ |
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Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS
Thanks for the link. However, I was unable to find a reference to the
"medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune." It sounds like it might be interesting reading... Scott Juan Jimenez wrote: I doubt you will find a URL. SOES is the Station Operations and Engineering Squadron. I worked there from 1979 to 1981 maintaining their CH-46A SAR birds. Oh, wait a sec. I see why you can't find it. It's been renamed and is now VMR-1. http://www.cherrypoint.usmc.mil/mcabe/vmr1/vmr1.asp Look at the history page, you'll see this is what used to be SOES. They now have HH-46D's. Looks like they finally upgraded sometime after I left for MCAS(H) Tustin in Southern California and was assigned to HMM-161 until I got out in 1982. They are also listed as having UC-12B King Air's, but that's not what we had when I was there, back then they had Piper Apache's, I forget the designationm U-something too. There were rumors they were going to be replaced with the King Air's but when I left they had not arrived. We already had the C-9B's and we also had some T-39 Sabreliners for VIP transport. This was our hangar. I assume it still is, there's one of the C-9B sitting at its usual parking spot on the ramp. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...06781&t=k&om=1 This is a picture I took on the ramp in 1981, if I remember correctly. Been a while. Look at the discussion page for the image, a Marine who currently works for VMR-1 saw it and commented on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CH46-At-SOES.jpg Juan "Scott" wrote in message .. . Can you provide a link URL? I searched on the MCAS Cherry Point Website with no luck (since I don't know what SOES is...searching with that turned up a Sony Online Entertainment tribute). Searching with your name only turned up 3 hits...all in 2003-2004. Scott Juan Jimenez wrote: Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune. Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for all bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. |
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Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:26:23 -0500, "Morgans"
wrote: It's good that you found a problem that may get your engine running again but aren't you missing something? If your engine truly is "new", then all that injector clogging happened in just a brief ten hours. There must be an underlying systems problem that caused the clogging. Have you found that problem? If not it will just re-occur in the next ten hoursof running time. This is a valid point, don't you think? Is there something in the tanks, or somewhere in the fuel system causing the injectors to be clogged so quickly? Was there some problem previously existing in the engine? With these plastic airplanes (like I'm building) clogged fuel filters are common until all the crud is cleaned out of the tanks. After all, working with fiberglass is mostly sand and fill, sand and fill, fill and sand, fill and sand and if you get bored you can change that back to sand and fill... At any rate that creates a *lot* of dust, not all of which is easily blown out of tanks. If the injectors are truely clogging it sounds like a fuel system needs a thorough flush and the addition of a really good fuel filter. That little jet engine isn't exactly over endowed with thrust so any loss is substantial. Fixing a problem is good. Fixing the cause of a problem is even better. g It certainly can save a lot of work in the long run and maybe even hospital bills. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com |
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Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS
"This is a valid point, don't you think? Is there something in the tanks, or somewhere in the fuel system causing the injectors to be clogged so quickly? Was there some problem previously existing in the engine? With these plastic airplanes (like I'm building) clogged fuel filters are common until all the crud is cleaned out of the tanks. After all, working with fiberglass is mostly sand and fill, sand and fill, fill and sand, fill and sand and if you get bored you can change that back to sand and fill... At any rate that creates a *lot* of dust, not all of which is easily blown out of tanks. If the injectors are truely clogging it sounds like a fuel system needs a thorough flush and the addition of a really good fuel filter. That little jet engine isn't exactly over endowed with thrust so any loss is substantial. Fixing a problem is good. Fixing the cause of a problem is even better. g It certainly can save a lot of work in the long run and maybe even hospital bills. You plainly state what I was hinting around at. If it were me, I would be wanting to know what the substance plugging the injector consisted of. Fiberglass or slosh compound would be high on my list. -- Jim in NC |
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"Wayne Paul" wrote in message ... "Juan Jimenez" wrote in message .. . "Wayne Paul" wrote in message ... "Juan Jimenez" wrote in message .. . "Wayne Paul" wrote in message ... Juan, Who do you use to inspect your injectors? I live in Idaho and hopefully the company is located nearby. A friend who specializes in warbird restoration, has the equipment and did it as a favor. You don't really think I will post that information here, do ya? Juan, OK,,, was it Bob Hannah Aviation in Caldwell, ID; Warbird Restoration & Maintenance in Jerome, ID; or, John Paul's (no relation) Warhawk Museum,,, here in Nampa, ID? If you don't want to post the ansewer here, you may email me at Thank you, Wayne HP-14 "6F" http://www.soaridaho.com/ See private email. Juan, Thank you for the prompt and informative email. Wayne HP-14 "6F" http://www.soaridaho.com/ You're welcome. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS
There is no "link" for that. There was no consumer "internet" at the time.
You'll have to go to the squadron to find the records, assuming they still have them, otherwise you'll have to ask the Marine Corps to check their archives. I don't know how long they keep records locally. The story is this: At 9pm I was working night duty in the avionics shop. We were scheduled to go home on standby at about that time and were about to cleanup and turn in our tools when the hanglar claxon went off and the PA system announced the usual "Launch Pedro!". Pedro was the codename for whatever helo was the duty bird. So, myself and my sidekick sat down to wait, because if the bird was going out we had to stay in case it came back with squawks. Not more than 2 minutes later we get an intercom call to go to the aircraft. So we run out there, and we can see the APU is running but no lights. I go inside and gesture to the crew chief and he points to the lights ... no power. I checked the obvious things, and nothing, so I turned around to my sidekick, the slowest kid in the shop, and asked him if they had done anything to do the bird that day. Changed the APU, he said. D-oh. Ok, did you check it when you were done rewiring it? No. No?? Did you bother to run it up? No. Why not? I'm not checked out. (It takes a short check and two switches to turn on the APU on an CH-46A... that should give you the picture.) So, I turned around and dropped the upper rear clamshell a bit, raised the lower one to just a few inches under, and carefully slid up to the running APU. I removed the small plastic cover over the wires and immediately saw what was wrong. Wiring becomes somewhat brittle over the years, and when its put back on the wrong way it's rather obvious because of the way it looks. So I switched the two incorrectly installed wires, replaced the cover, safety wired it, checked for loose safety wire, inventoried tools and slid back down. I tell the CC to fire up the power and even though its dark and he's wearing a helmet, he gives me one of these "Are you out of your ****ing mind?" looks. I repeat the hand gesture to power up, he talks with the crew up front, I can see them looking back from the cockpit, so I walk up, asked for permission to turn on power, they sort of nodded and I did. Power came right back up. Big smiles in the cockpit. I went back to finish up with the crew chief (who had another huge smile on his face). Just then I realized why he had a huge smile. Two ambulances came roaring down the ramp and parked right behind the helo. Out came a woman in a stretcher, clearly in distress. Behind her came a portable incubator with a preemie. The woman had just given birth and was hemorraghing, they were on the way to Lejeune because that's where the big hospital was located. We got off and the helo fired up its engines and roared off into the night sky. Came back with no squawks, so we went home. The next day the Vietnam vet crew chief (and senior crew chief in the squadron) told everyone in the squadron I knew my **** down cold and he'd trust me to work on anything with a wire on his bird. I already had the ability to do just that, but that one compliment made my whole year. Doesn't happen very often. Within weeks I got my best eval ever and had my txfr request out of NC approved, to California. The rest is history, and records from that day will verify everything happened exactly as I state here. And yes, both the mom and the child were OK, I just never heard from them again. "Scott" wrote in message .. . Thanks for the link. However, I was unable to find a reference to the "medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune." It sounds like it might be interesting reading... Scott Juan Jimenez wrote: I doubt you will find a URL. SOES is the Station Operations and Engineering Squadron. I worked there from 1979 to 1981 maintaining their CH-46A SAR birds. Oh, wait a sec. I see why you can't find it. It's been renamed and is now VMR-1. http://www.cherrypoint.usmc.mil/mcabe/vmr1/vmr1.asp Look at the history page, you'll see this is what used to be SOES. They now have HH-46D's. Looks like they finally upgraded sometime after I left for MCAS(H) Tustin in Southern California and was assigned to HMM-161 until I got out in 1982. They are also listed as having UC-12B King Air's, but that's not what we had when I was there, back then they had Piper Apache's, I forget the designationm U-something too. There were rumors they were going to be replaced with the King Air's but when I left they had not arrived. We already had the C-9B's and we also had some T-39 Sabreliners for VIP transport. This was our hangar. I assume it still is, there's one of the C-9B sitting at its usual parking spot on the ramp. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...06781&t=k&om=1 This is a picture I took on the ramp in 1981, if I remember correctly. Been a while. Look at the discussion page for the image, a Marine who currently works for VMR-1 saw it and commented on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CH46-At-SOES.jpg Juan "Scott" wrote in message .. . Can you provide a link URL? I searched on the MCAS Cherry Point Website with no luck (since I don't know what SOES is...searching with that turned up a Sony Online Entertainment tribute). Searching with your name only turned up 3 hits...all in 2003-2004. Scott Juan Jimenez wrote: Tell you what, if you ever grow balls large enough, go check the records of SOES, circa 1979 through 1981, at MCAS Cherry Point. In fact, check out the records of a medevac mission in 1981 involving a mom who had just given birth and was hemorraging, and the preemie to which she had just given birth. Then check out the comments of the (at the time, double-digit midget) Vietnam-vet crew chief on the aircraft that took them from Cherry Point to the main hospital at Lejeune. Go ahead, putz. I dare ya. But don't worry, I don't hold my breath for all bark, no bite keyboard cowards like you. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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"Roger" wrote in message ... On Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:26:23 -0500, "Morgans" wrote: If the injectors are truely clogging it sounds like a fuel system needs a thorough flush and the addition of a really good fuel filter. That little jet engine isn't exactly over endowed with thrust so any loss is substantial. Already done, and the fuel system has five filters. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS
"Morgans" wrote in message ... "This is a valid point, don't you think? Is there something in the tanks, or somewhere in the fuel system causing the injectors to be clogged so quickly? Was there some problem previously existing in the engine? With these plastic airplanes (like I'm building) clogged fuel filters are common until all the crud is cleaned out of the tanks. After all, working with fiberglass is mostly sand and fill, sand and fill, fill and sand, fill and sand and if you get bored you can change that back to sand and fill... At any rate that creates a *lot* of dust, not all of which is easily blown out of tanks. If the injectors are truely clogging it sounds like a fuel system needs a thorough flush and the addition of a really good fuel filter. That little jet engine isn't exactly over endowed with thrust so any loss is substantial. Fixing a problem is good. Fixing the cause of a problem is even better. g It certainly can save a lot of work in the long run and maybe even hospital bills. You plainly state what I was hinting around at. If it were me, I would be wanting to know what the substance plugging the injector consisted of. Fiberglass or slosh compound would be high on my list. Neither. If you had an inkling of knowledge about BD-5's you'd know the wings are all metal, no fiberglass. Been that way for 30 years, get with the program and get off the armchair. And if you had followed my notes, you'd know I used a sealing product that does not dry while in contact with Jet-A. The wings must be dry, then the compound is introduced, sloshed, and the MEK is allowed to evaporate from the formula, leaving behind an extremely tough Buna-N layer. The substance in the injector was extremely small, probably a grain of sand or something, because fuel flow was not interrupted, but the pattern was not optimal. -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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Hmmm a BD5J with zero hours FS
Juan Jimenez wrote: "ChuckSlusarczyk" wrote in message ... I guess we could build one out of Balsa and go for the record seeing how it doesn't need to fly to get the record.Heh Heh how about a Scale RC turbo jet model of an F-15 I seen one fly. Beats yawn on 2 counts ,it's smaller and it flys . Sorry, ChuckSteak, but it has to carry a human being. You don't rate the privilege. But it doesn't have to ever leave the ground while carrying a human being right? -- FF |
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