Don Henly, Dubya, & Linda Ronstadt

"Ipgay AcilbuperNay" _ wrote

What were the casualties in the first year of the Vietnam war,
dumb right wing asshole?

1946? or 1947?

Ipgay AcilbuperNay _ wrote in :

[snip]

What were the casualties in the first year of the Vietnam war,
dumb right wing asshole?

And which year would that be?
Remember, this isn't a Dhimmicrapic Debacle like Vietnam.
I know the Dhimmicrips are trying their best to ensure a
similar outcome but that ain't a gonna happen.

And why isn't a gung ho Noble Republican warmonger in Iraq
pulling some guard duty, instead of sucking right wing dicks
on the internet?

You've been inhaling your own effluvia again haven't
you.

IBM

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From: * US *
Date: 8/14/2004 1:11 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 08:44:51 -0500, "Billy Preston"
wrote:

First of all, ATC is responsible for separation of aircraft, and airport
operations.

That's not relevant. Jets should have been scrambled promptly, but they
didn't do so, because standard procedures for US air defense were not
followed on 9/11.

You were citing a report about a nonexistant person. Pentagon has no ATCs. You
can't have it both ways. Either ATC is relevent or not.

Second of all, weapons controllers are the operators used for air defense
radar
operations.

That's not relevant, either. Bush was told there were going to be attacks
involving using aircraft as missiles on US landmarks. He didn't do anything
whatsoever to protect the victims. He did all he could to make sure they
died.

Other than this "report" citing a non existant person what proof do you have?


Third of all, these weapons controllers are either on AWACS, or in the
Regional center,
or in mobile radar deployments.

That's not relevant any sooner than your previous irrelevancies. Bush knew
that
Americans on US soil were going to be attacked and killed en masse, and he
just
cleared the way for it and went on vacation. Then he lied about it, at least
when
he wasn't joking about it. He's the principal beneficiary of those crimes.

Other than this "report" citing a non existant person what proof do you have?

Fourth of all, the Pentagon does not have an air defense operations center,
manned by
weapons controllers.

That's still not relevant. Apparently you have no idea what's being
discussed, here.
It's the fact that 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, and that
Bush
took a series of measures to *thwart* defensive responses.

What "measures?" Other than this "report" citing a non existant person what
proof do you have?

To claim that ATC operators conduct air defense, is bogus information, by
someone
who has never been in the air defense business.

That's just your totally irrelevant straw man, however, and not pertinent to
the subject.

Other than this "report" citing a non existant person what proof do you have?


Are you saying that if you had been POTUS and had been told of imminent
attacks
using aircraft against landmarks in the USA, you'd have issued no public
warnings?

You still haven't proved he knew of an "imminent attack." It seems your entire
theory is supported by ONE article that has already been proved wrong.

Are you saying that you would tell pilots they couldn't carry sidearms and
air defense
pilots they couldn't scramble?

Side arms are not usually carried in peace time. Very few aircrews are in
position to "scramble" in peace time and the normal compliment was there on
9/11.

Would you have your cronies stop lying
commercial,
so they'd not be harmed, but let the public be unaware of this huge looming
threat?

Nope, but what you described never happened. If it did PROVE it and I don't
mean by citing the same bogus article.


Are you saying you'd go on vacation for longer than any other POTUS in US
history,

He wasn't on vacation at the time.

then sit and do nothing but play mindlessly with children as the attacks are
executed,

He didn't know the attacks were going to happen.

then try to claim afterward that you had no idea anything of the sort could
happen?

Prove he did. Don't expect us to do your research for you. You made the claim,
now PROVE it without using that report.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

* US * wrote:

http://www.standdown.net/index.htm

Not a refutation in sight, no matter how much I'd like to see it.

You're a joke. Not only is Bush and NORAD named as partcipants in 9/11, but the
ANG pilots who were airborne are also blamed. This web page is a joke and I
suggest you adjust your tinfoil hat because I can show you web pages "proving"
Elvis Presley is alive and well.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

From: * US *
Date: 8/14/2004 6:13 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

http://www.standdown.net/index.htm

Not a refutation in sight, no matter how much I'd like to see it.

Nice try, but no stand down order is cited there. All kinds of innuendo, but no
direct cite.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: * US *
Date: 8/14/2004 6:13 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:17:51 -0500, "Billy Preston"
wrote:

The link you provided, says ATC personnel conduct air defense operations ...

Reporting aircraft offcourse with transponders shut down is exactly that.

It happens every day that aircraft are off course with transponder errors or
failures.


Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

* US * wrote:

"...the two generals knowingly violated mandatory procedures ..."

http://www.911inquiry.org/Presentations/BruceGagnon.htm

No wonder you don't have any idea what you're talking about, look at the web
sites you read! I stopped reading when Mr. Gagnon tried to claim initial
contact with Payne Stewart's jet was by a pair of "immediately scrambled two
jets". Initial contact with Payne Stewart's jet was by an F-16 from the test
wing at Eglin who was on a local training sortie over the Gulf of Mexico. The
first jets scrambled to "escort" Stewart's jet were from Fort Smith, Arkansas
*hours* after Stewart's aircraft stopped responding.

Do yourself a favor, buy a clue and stay away from the "black helicopter" web
sites.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

From: * US *
Date: 8/14/2004 9:53 PM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 00:41:39 GMT, "Pete" wrote:

Please research and tell us ...

Why don't you already know what you should know?

On Sat, 14 Aug 2004 13:17:51 -0500, "Billy Preston"
wrote:

The link you provided, says ATC personnel conduct air defense operations ...

Reporting aircraft offcourse with transponders shut down is exactly that.

In other words you have no idea what "air defense operations" means.

Now I am convinced you are maron.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

From: * US *
Date: 8/15/2004 9:17 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:06:08 GMT, "Pete" wrote:

... up the dosage ...

Bush is a convicted drug abuser.

Prove it.

Pilots were forced to take amphetamines
before they killed those Canadians in Afghanistan.

Prove it.

snip


The Bush administration thwarted automatic responses in
favor of making officials request permission before taking
defensive action, and they did so knowing of the attack
being imminent. They created a delay without which the
crimes of 9/11 could not have had the magnitude they did.

Repeating your assertions proves nothing, maron.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In article ,
(B2431) wrote:

From: * US *
Date: 8/15/2004 9:17 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 03:06:08 GMT, "Pete" wrote:

... up the dosage ...

Bush is a convicted drug abuser.

Prove it.

Pilots were forced to take amphetamines
before they killed those Canadians in Afghanistan.

"Forced" is too strong a word. There has been legitimate study within
the military that concluded the benefits outweighted risk, such as
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/a...97/cornum.html
[1]. See Navy doctrine in www.safetycenter.navy.mil/aviation/
aeromedical/downloads/performancemanual.pdf

The basic principle is that no one takes stimulants unless authorized by
flight surgeons (in specific doses), and the crewdog can choose not to
take them. In appropriate doses, medically supervised amphetamines and
related drugs have not been shown to impair judgment. If anything, they
may improve decisionmaking in fatigued personnel

It is absolutely understood among flight surgeons that they are not a
substitute for rest, but they can defer the need. This can add to
safety, for example, when ferry flight times exceed usual allowable
flight duration, or when a combat emergency requires taking people out
of crew rest.


[1] Given that the study has both Army flight surgeon Rhonda Cornum and
Air Force flight surgeon Cory Cornum as coauthors, that a married
couple agree on it might give special credence! ;-)