Radio Procedure - Runway ID

Gary Drescher wrote:

Factoids that propagate by word of mouth through
successive generations of students, with no one fact-checking along the way,
are not reliable.

Yes, and you also have things still circulating that were once true but have not
been true since radial engines were the norm.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Dang, what're the odds of *both* of us being taught incorrectly?

Pretty good. I was also taught the same thing.

George Patterson
Drink is the curse of the land. It makes you quarrel with your neighbor.
It makes you shoot at your landlord. And it makes you miss him.

When part of a radio transmission is garbled I respond with "say again."

You can't count on the seventeen aircraft in the pattern at an
uncontrolled airport doing the same thing when my transmission is
garbled, and I'm not sure you want to.

Jose
--
Money: what you need when you run out of brains.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Actually I reply. I say "I'm over here."



Mike W. wrote:

Who knows, somebody might reply. Usually not.

"Newps" wrote in message
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It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.

..Blueskies. wrote:

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message ...

"Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message news:83T3f.22$oy3.18@trnddc04...

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

The AIM provides radio communication protocols. Unfortunately, section 4-2 (Radio Communications Phraseology and
Techniques) is silent on this point. However, section 4-3 (Airport Operations) gives the example "cleared to land
runway six right", so omitting the zero appears to be the standard (4-3-11c2).

--Gary




Also, under 4-3-6, "the runway designation would be 9".


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"Newps" wrote in message
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Ross Richardson wrote:
I use an airport that has RWY 7 and I call zero-seven all the time. What
does it matter?

It doesn't. It's like saying "any traffic in the area please advise."
Serves no purpose but doesn't hurt anything.

Just don't have dyslexia and say runway seven-zero.

"Bob Gardner" wrote in message
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Ah...but this is just another example of an instructor pushing his/her own
ideas as gospel. "My instructor told me to..." is not justification for
anything. Heard it too many times on checkrides.

Almost as bad is "...my mechanic says..."

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Interesting. Both Mary and I were trained to ALWAYS use the leading
zero. Runway 7 is ALWAYS called runway 07.

Ah...but this is just another example of an instructor pushing his/her
own
ideas as gospel. "My instructor told me to..." is not justification for
anything. Heard it too many times on checkrides.

I suppose you're right -- but this was done by two different CFIIs, in
two different states, separated by 7 years. And my guy was an old
grey-beard, while Mary's was a young buck.

Dang, what're the odds of *both* of us being taught incorrectly?


Listen to the pros, on the air, or get a scanner to pull in Des Moines, and
see how they do it. :~)

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:
Interesting. Both Mary and I were trained to ALWAYS use the leading
zero. Runway 7 is ALWAYS called runway 07.


Ah...but this is just another example of an instructor pushing his/her
own
ideas as gospel. "My instructor told me to..." is not justification for
anything. Heard it too many times on checkrides.


I suppose you're right -- but this was done by two different CFIIs, in
two different states, separated by 7 years. And my guy was an old
grey-beard, while Mary's was a young buck.

Dang, what're the odds of *both* of us being taught incorrectly?

I'd say 100%. :-)


I've had at least 6 different instructors and none have ever suggested a
leading zero on a runway designation. I do believe that leading zeroes
are expected, however, on headings. Don't ask me why the difference...


A heading can be 360 different degrees; a runway has fewer options.

"George Patterson" wrote in message
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Gary Drescher wrote:

Factoids that propagate by word of mouth through successive generations of
students, with no one fact-checking along the way, are not reliable.

Yes, and you also have things still circulating that were once true but
have not been true since radial engines were the norm.

And many things are relevant from radials all the way through horizontally
opposed since internal combustion engines are much the same internally. The
combustion event is virtually the same whether a radial, HO, or a lawn
mower.