ATC subtle hints

In article ,
kontiki wrote:

Today, right after being cleared for takeoff, and while rolling onto on Rwy 36
at SAV I got a traffic advisory from tower about a 757 on a 3 mile final
to Rwy 9.
(for me, that's the lowest altitude I have ever been when receiveing a
traffic advisory!). I responded with "38H is looking" and made an expeditious
take-off and got a good glance at the big airplane on the way in maybe a mile
out as I crossed the intersection.

Not a subtle hint, but going by SFO one time, Norcal called with
"traffic 2 o'clock and three miles, a heavy 747 restricted below
you, report traffic in sight". It is kind of hard to miss a 747
in CAVU when it is coming right at you and passing 500ft below you.

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John
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On 2006-10-14, kontiki wrote:
I really get a kick out of how subtle ATC can be sometimes in giving those
little "hints" to some pilots.

Not quite the same, but one time I had just departed and was heading
towards Portland's class C while climbing to an altitude where they'd
be able to pick me up on radar. A flurry of radio transmission delayed
my callup and ended with me being pointed out as traffic for a Southwest
737. After that exchange I keyed up to get flight following and gave
my location as "I think I'm that traffic". Simplified giving my location,
but I always wondered if the guy on the other end was thinking, "Why
is this guy on my frequency waiting to call in until he's got a conflict??"

I guess they got me back, since on the return I was flying up the Columbia
and had negotiated a transition along the river past the airport. Right
after that I was handed off to another controller who immediately turned
me 90 degrees so I'd cross midfield.

--
Ben Jackson AD7GD

http://www.ben.com/

Subtle landing criticisms are my favorites:

"Cessna '78Lima, if able, turn right on taxiway Hotel..."

-said to student pilot me after my third bounce. Taxiway Hotel was 7,000
ft. away.



"Citation 3CharlieCharlie, for future reference, one-four has 9,000 ft.
available,"

-to a Citation crew that stopped 10 ft. short of the end of 18.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in
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Subtle landing criticisms are my favorites:

"Cessna '78Lima, if able, turn right on taxiway Hotel..."

-said to student pilot me after my third bounce. Taxiway Hotel was
7,000 ft. away.



"Citation 3CharlieCharlie, for future reference, one-four has 9,000
ft. available,"

-to a Citation crew that stopped 10 ft. short of the end of 18.


Tower to an MD 11 that ballooned and landed long at SJC: Turn right
at Mike if able. Otherwise turn right on De La Cruz, 101 South, exit
Guadaloupe.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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Sometimes more than a hint. Had ground at an unfamiliar airport tell
me, "If you don't know where you are, stay there." Had some people in
the plane that never let me forget it.....
--
Gene Seibel
Tales of Flight - http://pad39a.com/gene/tales.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



kontiki wrote:
I really get a kick out of how subtle ATC can be sometimes in giving those
little "hints" to some pilots. I've heard lots of interesting ones over time
that have given me a chuckle while flying along. It got me to thinking about
what some of the more funny ones you guys have heard over the years.

I heard one at Newark the other week. An airliner had got its taxi
clearance, and appeared confused where to go. "Do you want us on
foxtrot or golf?"* asked the pilot. "Golf", replied the hurried
controller, "It's right in front of you." "But isn't that foxtrot?"
came back the pilot. The controller was having none of it: "Look, how
hard can this be? There's about twenty planes in line for the runway.
Just follow everyone else and you'll get there."

* Can't remember the exact taxiways.

"kontiki" wrote in message
...
I really get a kick out of how subtle ATC can be sometimes in giving those
little "hints" to some pilots. I've heard lots of interesting ones over
time
that have given me a chuckle while flying along. It got me to thinking
about
what some of the more funny ones you guys have heard over the years.

Today, right after being cleared for takeoff, and while rolling onto on
Rwy 36
at SAV I got a traffic advisory from tower about a 757 on a 3 mile final
to Rwy 9.
(for me, that's the lowest altitude I have ever been when receiveing a
traffic advisory!). I responded with "38H is looking" and made an
expeditious
take-off and got a good glance at the big airplane on the way in maybe a
mile
out as I crossed the intersection.

Wish I could recall a few of the more funny ones, but telling stories is
really
not my forte, sorta like you have to be there.

The special VFR hint:

The weather is 1500 broken, and 2 1/2 miles when the Private Pilot
calls ground and announces "Taxi to the active with Hotel...".
The guy working ground comes back with "Weather 1500broken, 2 1/2 in
fog, the field is IFR, is there anything "SPECIAL" I can do for you?


Al G

Al G wrote:
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The special VFR hint:

The weather is 1500 broken, and 2 1/2 miles when the Private Pilot
calls ground and announces "Taxi to the active with Hotel...".
The guy working ground comes back with "Weather 1500broken, 2 1/2 in
fog, the field is IFR, is there anything "SPECIAL" I can do for you?

I once sat behind a guy in a 172 who just didn't get it. Ground finally
told him to shut down and go inside and ask someone what it meant when
he asked if there was anything special he could do. It was freaking
painful to hear.

"Emily" wrote:

The special VFR hint:

The weather is 1500 broken, and 2 1/2 miles when the Private Pilot
calls ground and announces "Taxi to the active with Hotel...".
The guy working ground comes back with "Weather 1500broken, 2 1/2 in
fog, the field is IFR, is there anything "SPECIAL" I can do for you?

I once sat behind a guy in a 172 who just didn't get it. Ground finally
told him to shut down and go inside and ask someone what it meant when he
asked if there was anything special he could do.


If I were a controller, there's no way in hell I would do this.

Why would I want my voice on tape helping some clueless twit figure out how
to kill himself?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Dan Luke" wrote in message
...

"Emily" wrote:

The special VFR hint:

The weather is 1500 broken, and 2 1/2 miles when the Private Pilot
calls ground and announces "Taxi to the active with Hotel...".
The guy working ground comes back with "Weather 1500broken, 2 1/2 in
fog, the field is IFR, is there anything "SPECIAL" I can do for you?

I once sat behind a guy in a 172 who just didn't get it. Ground finally
told him to shut down and go inside and ask someone what it meant when he
asked if there was anything special he could do.


If I were a controller, there's no way in hell I would do this.

Why would I want my voice on tape helping some clueless twit figure out
how to kill himself?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM


Yea, you are probably right. I was there, and the weather wasn't that
bad, and was VERY local. 1 mile in any direction, and you would be out of
it. It was clearing after morning fog, so the forecasts were good also. Any
of my graduates would have been long gone, but then I teach the AIM pretty
heavily.

Al G