Radio Procedure - Runway ID

Because we still have humans piloting these darned flying machines and
humans are sometimes absent minded.

I just realized that my earlier post could be more clear. The leading
zero in most cases wouldn't hurt. Here, I'd omit the leading zero for
runway two on the off chance that someone misunderstands "zero two" to
mean "two zero."

"Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message
news:83T3f.22$oy3.18@trnddc04...
Not particularly germane to this discussion, but KIYK is a non-tower
airport. I was up doing bumps and rounds, AKA touch-n-goes yesterday, and
was dutifully calling out my various positions as any good airman in the
pattern should do.

Now, I was calling the runway as 02, like in "....33Xray, turning left
base, runway Zero-Two, Inyokern." Over the radio comes a voice to admonish
me that, "...there is no zero in front of the two." Never wanting to
rankle a fellow pilot, I dropped the zero -- well, most of the time,
anyway. Thirty-year-old habits are hard to break.

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

The AIM provides radio communication protocols. Unfortunately, section 4-2
(Radio Communications Phraseology and Techniques) is silent on this point.
However, section 4-3 (Airport Operations) gives the example "cleared to land
runway six right", so omitting the zero appears to be the standard
(4-3-11c2).

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message ...
"Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message news:83T3f.22$oy3.18@trnddc04...
Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

The AIM provides radio communication protocols. Unfortunately, section 4-2 (Radio Communications Phraseology and
Techniques) is silent on this point. However, section 4-3 (Airport Operations) gives the example "cleared to land
runway six right", so omitting the zero appears to be the standard (4-3-11c2).

--Gary



Also, under 4-3-6, "the runway designation would be 9".

..Blueskies. wrote:

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message ...

"Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message news:83T3f.22$oy3.18@trnddc04...

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

The AIM provides radio communication protocols. Unfortunately, section 4-2 (Radio Communications Phraseology and
Techniques) is silent on this point. However, section 4-3 (Airport Operations) gives the example "cleared to land
runway six right", so omitting the zero appears to be the standard (4-3-11c2).

--Gary




Also, under 4-3-6, "the runway designation would be 9".


er

"Gary Drescher" wrote
The AIM provides radio communication protocols. Unfortunately, section
4-2 (Radio Communications Phraseology and Techniques) is silent on
this point. However, section 4-3 (Airport Operations) gives the
example "cleared to land runway six right", so omitting the zero
appears to be the standard (4-3-11c2).

Also..........
4-3-6. Use of Runways/Declared Distances

a. Runways are identified by numbers which indicate the nearest 10-degree
increment of the azimuth of the runway centerline. For example, where the
magnetic azimuth is 183 degrees, the runway designation would be 18; for a
magnetic azimuth of
87 degrees, the runway designation would be 9. For a magnetic azimuth
ending in the number 5, such as 185, the runway designation could be either
18 or 19. Wind direction issued by the tower is also magnetic and wind
velocity is in knots.

Bob Moore

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Gary Drescher wrote:
"Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com wrote in message
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Not particularly germane to this discussion, but KIYK is a non-tower
airport. I was up doing bumps and rounds, AKA touch-n-goes yesterday, and
was dutifully calling out my various positions as any good airman in the
pattern should do.

Now, I was calling the runway as 02, like in "....33Xray, turning left
base, runway Zero-Two, Inyokern." Over the radio comes a voice to admonish
me that, "...there is no zero in front of the two." Never wanting to
rankle a fellow pilot, I dropped the zero -- well, most of the time,
anyway. Thirty-year-old habits are hard to break.

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

The AIM provides radio communication protocols. Unfortunately, section 4-2
(Radio Communications Phraseology and Techniques) is silent on this point.
However, section 4-3 (Airport Operations) gives the example "cleared to land
runway six right", so omitting the zero appears to be the standard
(4-3-11c2).


Correct me if I'm wrong, but last I was taught, the AIM was
presented as a guideline for pilots to follow, not something that they
must absolutely swear by, like ATC does with the .65. So the pilots
could say 'zero six right' or 'six right', and both would be
acceptable.

BL.
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There is a section in the A.I.M. which clarifies this, and will add
that zero for safety.

Fly safe,

Bush

On Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:47:32 GMT, "Casey Wilson" N2310D @ gmail.com
wrote:

Not particularly germane to this discussion, but KIYK is a non-tower
airport. I was up doing bumps and rounds, AKA touch-n-goes yesterday, and
was dutifully calling out my various positions as any good airman in the
pattern should do.

Now, I was calling the runway as 02, like in "....33Xray, turning left base,
runway Zero-Two, Inyokern." Over the radio comes a voice to admonish me
that, "...there is no zero in front of the two." Never wanting to rankle a
fellow pilot, I dropped the zero -- well, most of the time, anyway.
Thirty-year-old habits are hard to break.

Does it matter? Is there a protocol for this?

Now that this has been discussed ad naseum, I think I'll
switch to say 'runway 0-2.' It keeps things perfectly clear and
concise as takes a whole 0.13 seconds which even a busy pattern can
handle. It is probably good practice as it helps avoid the
confusion and potential bent metal the one time a pilot
says "Landing 2" and his finger slipped off the PTT button
for the last 'zero' or when dealing with non-US pilots in US
Airspace.

Gerald Sylvester

"Gerald Sylvester" wrote in message
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Now that this has been discussed ad naseum, I think I'll
switch to say 'runway 0-2.' It keeps things perfectly clear and
concise as takes a whole 0.13 seconds which even a busy pattern can
handle. It is probably good practice as it helps avoid the
confusion and potential bent metal the one time a pilot
says "Landing 2" and his finger slipped off the PTT button
for the last 'zero'

The last zero and the airport. Again, poor technique is required to justify
the leading zero.