I missed this article when it first appeared.

http://abcnews.go.com/Business/FlyingHigh/story?id=949148&page=1

Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA
pilots?

AJ

On 16 Nov 2005 20:59:44 -0800, "AJ" > wrote:

>Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
>of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA
>pilots?

Interesting twice in Sport Pilot category: it becomes impossible to
know whether a pilot is active.

In the case of George Bush or Dudley Henriques, we know from the "no
current medical" that the pilot (probably) no longer flies.

So for all practical purposes, the number of pilot certificates
granted now becomes the number of pilots there are. Does the FAA even
purge its files when the pilot dies?



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AJ wrote:
> I missed this article when it first appeared.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Business/FlyingHigh/story?id=949148&page=1
>
> Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
> of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA
> pilots?
>
> AJ
>

Not sure whether to respond with "no" or "hell no" here....Hrm... Ok,
yeah, I'll go with "hell no"....

The darlings of the Sport Pilot rule - SLSA and ELSA - are already
priced well beyond affordability even in 2005 dollars and even beyond
acceptable bang/buck.

Bottom dollar for an SLSA is about 70 large already and I don't see that
figure coming down in the forseeable future (and it'll likely go up!).
ELSA are going to be around the same price......

In fact, some manufacturers/dealers (such as Kolb aircraft) have already
withdrawn their initial offerings into this market due to low demand.
Some are stepping out and trying it out such as Rans who are now
offering an "LSA" version of the S7 Courier (not clear from the website
exactly what certification it has tho. Might be worth a phone call to
find out). But it's 75 grand (I think you could get a quick build of the
same plane for a little more than half that). Zenith has an actual SLSA
on the market now (genuine SLSA certification) but it's 80 grand too.

Slim pickin's indeed........

Instead, most aircraft that will be flown under the rule at least in the
visible future will be standard category a/c and experimental A/B a/c
that fit within the LSA limitations.

I don't see Sport Pilot or LSA making much headway here at least not for
a long time, and even then it still looks like solidly the domain of
rich people only.....

LS
N646F

> Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
> of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA
> pilots?

No reason it shouldn't.

With the proper marketing campaign (maybe AOPA & EAA can team up on this?)
we should be attracting far more people to flying.

Is anyone doing any instructing in light sport aircraft yet? (I have seen
none in my area, yet.) What do they cost per hour to operate? It's got to
be pretty affordable, no?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"AJ" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I missed this article when it first appeared.
>
> http://abcnews.go.com/Business/FlyingHigh/story?id=949148&page=1
>
> Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
> of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA
> pilots?
>
> AJ
>


Most people don't have the common sense or cognitive ability to fly a plane.
Hell most people shouldn't be given drivers licenses.

--------------------------------------
DW

On 16 Nov 2005 20:59:44 -0800, "AJ" > wrote in
. com>::

>I missed this article when it first appeared.
>
>http://abcnews.go.com/Business/FlyingHigh/story?id=949148&page=1
>

John J. Nance says:

Perhaps the greatest disappointment with the predictions of
yesterday, however, was the fact that the "everyman" aviation
system it envisioned was at least 75 years ahead of its time
because the automated technology required to keep a sky full of
citizen flyers from crashing into each other is still at least a
quarter-century away. In other words, the vision of millions of us
jumping into our airplanes and flying off with the ease and
freedom of driving somewhere was never valid, and for those who
plan and protect the nation's airspace, it's more of a nightmare
than a dream.


Hasn't he heard of Small Aircraft Transportation System technology?


http://www.nasa.gov/audience/forstudents/postsecondary/features/F_Call_for_Taxi.html


http://sats.larc.nasa.gov/main.html
The SATS Vision

The small aircraft transportation vision is a safe travel
alternative freeing people and products from transportation system
delays, by creating access to more communities in less time.

This technology is in operation today.

If an aviation journalist is unaware of the plan to revitalize
municipal airport usage, it's no wonder that city planners are blindly
closing the airports that SATS depends upon for success.

AJ wrote:

> Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
> of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA
> pilots?

Revive the slogan? Sure. Make the slogan come true? Not a chance.

George Patterson
If a tank is out of ammunition, what you have is a sixty ton portable
radio.

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:57:20 -0500, "Darkwing"
<theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in
>::

>
>Most people don't have the common sense or cognitive ability to fly a plane.
>Hell most people shouldn't be given drivers licenses.

Given the fact that half of the population has a 2-digit IQ, I have to
agree.

AJ wrote:

>I missed this article when it first appeared.
>
>http://abcnews.go.com/Business/FlyingHigh/story?id=949148&page=1
>
>Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
>of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA
>pilots?
>
>

Think about all the idiots sharing the roads, would you really want all
these morons flying airplanes? I agree that we want to significantly
increase the number of private pilots, but "An Airplane In Every Garage"
would be a disaster. I look at it like people trying to come up with a
computer programming language that anyone can use to write programs,
it's just not going to happen. There are required skills that many
people just can't grasp.


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"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
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> Is anyone doing any instructing in light sport aircraft yet? (I have seen
> none in my area, yet.) What do they cost per hour to operate? It's got
> to be pretty affordable, no?

See eBay item 4587252624

I'm still considering getting a Sport-CFI added to my PP. It may be a while
though...

-Greg B.

A sign of the times in that ad: "Sorry, no international students" in
bold capital letters.

>Is anyone doing any instructing in light sport aircraft yet? (I have seen
>none in my area, yet.) What do they cost per hour to operate? It's got to
>be pretty affordable, no?

St. Charles Flying Service at 3SQ is (the last time I checked) only 1
of 2 part 141 schools in the country. They had a writeup in AOPA Pilot
recently.

They have 2 Evektor Sport Star trainers. They rent for the same price
as their (beat-up) 172's, but are obviously newer. They quote a
complete 141 SP package price of less than $3k.
http://www.stcharlesflyingsvs.com/lightsport.php

I'm based at a field near there (KSET) and they are buzzing around all
the time, so they are definetely getting a lot of use. Comments I've
heard are that they are a "really fun" to fly.

I got my PP and Instrument ratings at 3SQ and they are a great bunch of
people to work with.

Brian

> >Is anyone doing any instructing in light sport aircraft yet? (I have
> >seen
>>none in my area, yet.) What do they cost per hour to operate? It's got
>>to
>>be pretty affordable, no?

See http://www.sportpilot.org/instructors/. There are a few Sport
instructors around...

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 15:16:25 GMT, Larry Dighera >
wrote:

> The small aircraft transportation vision is a safe travel
> alternative freeing people and products from transportation system
> delays, by creating access to more communities in less time.
>
>This technology is in operation today.
>
>If an aviation journalist is unaware of the plan to revitalize
>municipal airport usage, it's no wonder that city planners are blindly
>closing the airports that SATS depends upon for success.


"When Will SATS Become Operational?
The Proof of Concept research and technology development phase lasts
for five years, or until 2005. Pieces of the SATS technology and
several SATS aircraft already exist. Once the 5-year proof of concept
SATS Project is complete, it is anticipated that SATS will continue
development through the next decade. During that time, it is hoped
that federal regulations, airspace procedures, and industry products
will be developed to accommodate SATS traffic. The system full
deployment phase at federal, state and local levels could occur as
early as 2015. SATS could be mature and fully operational by 2020."


Unfortunately, I don't think it is currently active. It just finished
the proof of concept stage which was successful. I think they are
looking for funding for staged implementation.


Jim

http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 14:47:36 GMT, ls >
wrote:

>AJ wrote:
>> I missed this article when it first appeared.
>>
>> http://abcnews.go.com/Business/FlyingHigh/story?id=949148&page=1
>>
>> Is it possible for the Light Sport category to revive that old slogan
>> of "An Airplane In Every Garage" in order to bolster the number of GA
>> pilots?
>>
>> AJ
>>
>
>Not sure whether to respond with "no" or "hell no" here....Hrm... Ok,
>yeah, I'll go with "hell no"....
>
>The darlings of the Sport Pilot rule - SLSA and ELSA - are already
>priced well beyond affordability even in 2005 dollars and even beyond
>acceptable bang/buck.
>
>Bottom dollar for an SLSA is about 70 large already and I don't see that
>figure coming down in the forseeable future (and it'll likely go up!).
>ELSA are going to be around the same price......

You have to look at the big picture. :)

From my numbers, the prices averaged about $58,000 and rose to about
$68,000 when demand picked up a bit. As more competitors enter the
market, supply pressures will force prices to go down. There is a lot
of interest right now. Say maybe three years before things creep down
again.

A good healty short term economic profit is not always a bad thing.
Yes, currently people like me cannot afford the plane, but since there
is a solid profit to be made, a lot of manufacturers will enter the
market that might have been on the fence. Competition breeds diversity
and innovation which is never a bad thing. I've seen some pretty damn
novel aircraft sporting features that aren't offered by cessna or
piper. And eventually the prices come down. God bless the free market
system.

Also, the prices aint really bad, if you look at it from a FBO's
perspective. I'm a little curious how Diamond is feeling about their
brand spanking new DA-20. They are marketing them to schools at
$160K. Subtract the Garmin and other goodies, the base airframe is
like $140 or so. Your typical LSA is half the price, out performs the
warhorse 152 and you can train private pilots in it.


Jim

http://www.unconventional-wisdom.org

Yep, I didn't say there weren't. I just noted the issue about part
141....