More Evidence Bush Was Actually Declared a Deserter

[WalterM140]

"There are two medals awarded to members of the Texas National Guard basically
for showing up:

Texas Govt Code 431.134 Para 1
Texas Faithful Service Medal

The Texas Faithful Service Medal shall be awarded to a member of the state
military forces who has completed five years of honorable service during which
the person has shown fidelity to duty, efficient service, and great loyalty to
the state.

and


Texas Govt Code 431.134 Para 5
Texas State Guard Service Medal

The Texas State Guard Service Medal, shall be awarded to a person completing
three consecutive years of honorable service in the Texas State Guard during
which the person has shown fidelity to duty, efficient service, and great
loyalty to the state.

According to his ANG22 (The Air National Guard discharge papers), Bush received
*NO* Texas National Guard Medals.

This means he did not faithfully execute his duty for five years in the TANG.
He also did not even faithfully execute his duty for *three* years in the TANG.
This supports the AWOL charges.

Furthermore, in the following photograph he wears two Air Force ribbons, Air
Force Outstanding Unit Award, and the Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon :

[here's the photo]

http://subvulture.com/goteam/george_bush_uniform.jpg

Neither of which show up on this line of his ARG22:

http://www.awolbush.com/images/BushANG22-box24.gif?CLIC...

They *may* be listed in Bush's DD214, however, he REFUSES TO RELEASE HIS DD214
which everybody with military experience knows could reveal precisely under
what circumstances Bush was released from service under. Even an "honorable
discharge" could be shown to be questionable given the codes contained in a
DD214.

Assuming Bush was wearing authorized awards, here is a comparison of Kerry and
Bush's awards records:


I have verified the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award and Air Force Small Arms
Expert Marksmanship ribbon only via a photograph of George W. Bush. Other Air
Force awards can only be verified if Bush releases his DD214.

Top to bottom, left to right as you look at them

Kerry:

Silver Star (Verified via DD214)
Bronze Star (Should have Bronze Combat "V" Device, Verified via DD214)
Purple Heart (Should have two Gold Star devices for subsequent awards, Verified
via DD214)
Combat Action Ribbon (Verified via DD214)
Presidential Unit Citation (Verified via DD215, worn above left pocket per Navy
regs)
Navy Unit Commendation (Verified via DD215)
National Defense Service Medal (Verified via DD214)
Vietnam Service Medal(Verified via DD214, w/four bronze star devices verified
via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation (Verified via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Unit Citation (Verified via DD215)
Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (Verified via DD215)

Dubya:

Air Force Outstanding Unit Award (verified via photograph only)
Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon (verified via photograph only)

Comparing in order of precedence, The Air Force Outstanding Unit Award falls
below Kerry's Navy Unit Commendation and above his National Defense Service
Medal. The Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon falls between Kerry's Vietnam
Service Medal and his Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation."

http://democraticunderground.com

So for some reason, the photo of Bush in uniform as a lieutenant shows ribbons
that don't appear on his discharge (which of course he didn't sign).

This is more evidence that Bush's discharge papers and other documents are post
facto constructs.

Strong circumstantial evidence on awolbush.com indicates that Bush was actually
ordered to active duty for failure to attend scheduled monthly drills, and
failing to report for active duty, declared a deserter.

Bush's DD-214 would help to answer these questions, but it has not turned up.

A DD-214 of the period (mine):

http://members.aol.com/walterm140/DD214.jpg

Walt

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: More Evidence Bush Was Actually Declared a Deserter
>From: (WalterM140)
>Date: 8/22/2004 5:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"There are two medals awarded to members of the Texas National Guard
>basically
>for showing up:
>
>Texas Govt Code 431.134 Para 1
>Texas Faithful Service Medal
>
>The Texas Faithful Service Medal shall be awarded to a member of the state
>military forces who has completed five years of honorable service during
>which
>the person has shown fidelity to duty, efficient service, and great loyalty
>to
>the state.
>
>and
>
>
>Texas Govt Code 431.134 Para 5
>Texas State Guard Service Medal
>
>The Texas State Guard Service Medal, shall be awarded to a person completing
>three consecutive years of honorable service in the Texas State Guard during
>which the person has shown fidelity to duty, efficient service, and great
>loyalty to the state.
>
>According to his ANG22 (The Air National Guard discharge papers), Bush
>received
>*NO* Texas National Guard Medals.
>
>This means he did not faithfully execute his duty for five years in the TANG.
>He also did not even faithfully execute his duty for *three* years in the
>TANG.
>This supports the AWOL charges.
>
>Furthermore, in the following photograph he wears two Air Force ribbons, Air
>Force Outstanding Unit Award, and the Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon :
>
>[here's the photo]
>
>http://subvulture.com/goteam/george_bush_uniform.jpg
>
>Neither of which show up on this line of his ARG22:
>
>http://www.awolbush.com/images/BushANG22-box24.gif?CLIC...
>
>They *may* be listed in Bush's DD214, however, he REFUSES TO RELEASE HIS
>DD214
>which everybody with military experience knows could reveal precisely under
>what circumstances Bush was released from service under. Even an "honorable
>discharge" could be shown to be questionable given the codes contained in a
>DD214.
>
>Assuming Bush was wearing authorized awards, here is a comparison of Kerry
>and
>Bush's awards records:
>
>
>I have verified the Air Force Outstanding Unit Award and Air Force Small Arms
>Expert Marksmanship ribbon only via a photograph of George W. Bush. Other Air
>Force awards can only be verified if Bush releases his DD214.
>
>Top to bottom, left to right as you look at them
>
>Kerry:
>
>Silver Star (Verified via DD214)
>Bronze Star (Should have Bronze Combat "V" Device, Verified via DD214)
>Purple Heart (Should have two Gold Star devices for subsequent awards,
>Verified
>via DD214)
>Combat Action Ribbon (Verified via DD214)
>Presidential Unit Citation (Verified via DD215, worn above left pocket per
>Navy
>regs)
>Navy Unit Commendation (Verified via DD215)
>National Defense Service Medal (Verified via DD214)
>Vietnam Service Medal(Verified via DD214, w/four bronze star devices verified
>via DD215)
>Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation (Verified via DD215)
>Republic of Vietnam Civil Actions Unit Citation (Verified via DD215)
>Republic of Vietnam Campaign Medal (Verified via DD215)
>
>Dubya:
>
>Air Force Outstanding Unit Award (verified via photograph only)
>Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon (verified via photograph only)
>
>Comparing in order of precedence, The Air Force Outstanding Unit Award falls
>below Kerry's Navy Unit Commendation and above his National Defense Service
>Medal. The Small Arms Expert Marksmanship Ribbon falls between Kerry's
>Vietnam
>Service Medal and his Republic of Vietnam Gallantry Cross Unit Citation."
>
>http://democraticunderground.com
>
>So for some reason, the photo of Bush in uniform as a lieutenant shows
>ribbons
>that don't appear on his discharge (which of course he didn't sign).
>
>This is more evidence that Bush's discharge papers and other documents are
>post
>facto constructs.
>
>Strong circumstantial evidence on awolbush.com indicates that Bush was
>actually
>ordered to active duty for failure to attend scheduled monthly drills, and
>failing to report for active duty, declared a deserter.
>
>Bush's DD-214 would help to answer these questions, but it has not turned up.
>
>A DD-214 of the period (mine):
>
>http://members.aol.com/walterm140/DD214.jpg
>
>Walt
>

Let us hope that Bush never becomes a role model for those entering the
military,




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Pete]

"ArtKramr" > wrote
>
> Let us hope that Bush never becomes a role model for those entering the
> military,

Similarly, let us hope Kerry doesn't either.

Pete

[tom c]

"WalterM140" > wrote in message
...
> "There are two medals awarded to members of the Texas National Guard
basically
> for showing up:
>
Walter,

While I am not a Bush voter it is important to clarify this. The Texas
National Guard and the Texas State Guard are two separate groups:

http://www.agd.state.tx.us/stateguard/default.asp?ldpage=about

Those awards are only Texas awards and not National. The State Guard is not
Federal and does not get called out of Texas.

Roust the corporate welfare baron all you want but do it on real grounds
unlike the opposition.

Tom C

[Ragnar]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> Let us hope that Bush never becomes a role model for those entering the
> military,

Pot. Kettle. Black.

[Kevin Brooks]

"tom c" > wrote in message
...
>
> "WalterM140" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "There are two medals awarded to members of the Texas National Guard
> basically
> > for showing up:
> >
> Walter,
>
> While I am not a Bush voter it is important to clarify this. The Texas
> National Guard and the Texas State Guard are two separate groups:
>
> http://www.agd.state.tx.us/stateguard/default.asp?ldpage=about
>
> Those awards are only Texas awards and not National. The State Guard is
not
> Federal and does not get called out of Texas.
>
> Roust the corporate welfare baron all you want but do it on real grounds
> unlike the opposition.

The fact is that state awards can be given to National Guardsmen; it is
quite common, though whether or not either of these specific service awards
were routinely awarded thirty-plus years ago is not addressed. They wear
them along with their federal awards except when serving on Title 10 active
duty. But this does not in any way support Walter's newest and, as usual
laughable, "smoking gun". Anyone who has ever served in the military is only
too aware of how often the records jacket gets the awards screwed up (either
a troop is not awarded what he is rightfully due, or he gets an award and
then later finds it did not make it into his 201 file--had the latter happen
a couple of times to me, requiring submittal of copies of the orders for the
awards in order to get it corrected). If good ol' Walter is unaware of the
fact that personnel records frequently get screwed up, then one wonders
where he got his own 214, 'cause it (along with some of his other past
rants) paints a picture of a guy who never served.

FYI, attempting to reason with Walter regarding his anti-Bush diatribes is a
bit like trying to reason with an oak stump (and they both apparently share
about the same IQ level).

Brooks

>
> Tom C
>
>

[WalterM140]

>The fact is that state awards can be given to National Guardsmen; it is
>quite common, though whether or not either of these specific service awards
>were routinely awarded thirty-plus years ago is not addressed.

Is it not in the text?

These awards go back to before WWII.

Walt

[WalterM140]

>> Let us hope that Bush never becomes a role model for those entering the
>> military,
>
>Pot. Kettle. Black.

Well, both Bush and Art flew in airplanes.

That's about the end of the similarities.

Walt

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: More Evidence Bush Was Actually Declared a Deserter
>From: (WalterM140)
>Date: 8/23/2004 4:09 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>>The fact is that state awards can be given to National Guardsmen; it is
>>quite common, though whether or not either of these specific service awards
>>were routinely awarded thirty-plus years ago is not addressed.
>
>Is it not in the text?
>
>These awards go back to before WWII.
>
>Walt
>


I think there are some here who are bittely jealous of your Marine service. Any
one who goes into the Marines is a guy looking for a fight so desk jockeys
would be the first to attack. It would be interesting to actually examine the
combat records of those who accuse you of not serving. Miight be good for a
laugh.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Ragnar]

"WalterM140" > wrote in message
...
> >> Let us hope that Bush never becomes a role model for those entering the
> >> military,
> >
> >Pot. Kettle. Black.
>
> Well, both Bush and Art flew in airplanes.
>
> That's about the end of the similarities.
>

Yes, Art is much more unbalanced.