Re: Kerry asks Bush to, "Make it go away!"

[OXMORON1]

This is all a put on sponsored by Hilliary R. Clintonista..If Kerry were to get
elected, he might get a second term, that would put Hillary in a bad position
having to wait until '12.
With Kerry losing in 04, it sets HRC up to run against a new Republican in '08.

Rick

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"BOB" <SD> wrote in message ...
>
> Oh, Bush has a "record" Dave, but not one that he nor anyone else would
> want to run on. He will lose in November and I don't think it will even
> be close. That's just my opinion.
>

Well, Bush IS running on his record, and Kerry is running FROM his!

[George Graves]

In article >, BOB <SD> wrote:

> (David Fritzinger) wrote in
> om:
>
> > "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in
> > message t>...
> >> "rstro" > wrote in message
> >> . net...
> >> >
> >> > He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues
> >> > that are currently affectign this country--and we all know George
> >> > The Monkey can't do that!
> >> >
> >>
> >> No? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but George Bush is running on the
> >> basis of his recent service as an elected official while John Kerry
> >> is running on his record of military service during the Vietnam War.
> >> Discussing the issues that are currently affecting this country will
> >> mean a landslide for Bush. Kerry knows that, that's why he's making
> >> Vietnam the issue.
> >
> > Bush is running on his record? Where? How? It appears he is trying to
> > trash Kerry as much as possible, because he knows he has no record to
> > run on.
> >
> Oh, Bush has a "record" Dave, but not one that he nor anyone else would
> want to run on. He will lose in November and I don't think it will even
> be close. That's just my opinion.

I agree. It won't be close. Out of the frying pan into the fire, as they
say.

--
George Graves
------------------

Bush is a poor leader because he isn't very smart.
What's Kerry's excuse gonna be?

[B2431]

>rom: (David Fritzinger)
>Date: 8/24/2004 5:00 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
t>...
>> "rstro" > wrote in message
>> . net...
>> >
>> > He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues that
>> > are currently affectign this country--and we all know George The
>> > Monkey can't do that!
>> >
>>
>> No? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but George Bush is running on the basis
>of
>> his recent service as an elected official while John Kerry is running on
>his
>> record of military service during the Vietnam War. Discussing the issues
>> that are currently affecting this country will mean a landslide for Bush.
>> Kerry knows that, that's why he's making Vietnam the issue.
>
>Bush is running on his record? Where? How? It appears he is trying to
>trash Kerry as much as possible, because he knows he has no record to
>run on.
>
>--
>Dave Fritzinger

Have you listened to kerry? In between talking about his military time he does
nothing but bash Bush. I have tried very hard to find out what the man is FOR
other than the usual platitudes his party emits.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: Snit
>Date: 8/24/2004 9:56 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>
>Under Clinton we had a surplus.


We did? When and how much? Was it GDP, GNP or what? No one bought bonds and all
the bonds were redeemed?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: ZnU
>
>
>In article t>,
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote:
>
>> "rstro" > wrote in message
>> . net...
>> >
>> > He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues that
>> > are currently affectign this country--and we all know George The
>> > Monkey can't do that!
>> >
>>
>> No? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but George Bush is running on the basis
>of
>> his recent service as an elected official while John Kerry is running on
>his
>> record of military service during the Vietnam War. Discussing the issues
>> that are currently affecting this country will mean a landslide for Bush.
>
>At a time when more than half of the population thinks the country is
>headed in the wrong direction?
>
>> Kerry knows that, that's why he's making Vietnam the issue.
>
>Kerry has not made Vietnam *the* issue. He obviously wants people to be
>aware of his record (there's such nice contrast with Bush's record), but
>if you listen to his speeches, they're almost entirely about policy
>issues. He doesn't stand at the podium telling war stories.
>
>--

Every speach I have heard kerry make in the past half year are slamming Bush. I
have yet to hear him tell us what his is going to do for us other than keep us
in Iraq. His speaches offer no other solutions to the problems at hand other
than to tell us what Bush is doing wrong.

I want to know what he is going to do for us other than replace Bush.

I want kerry to discuss his actions after he came back starting with his
acusations of war crimes and continuing through his political career to date.
To hear him speak the only thing in his he has done in entire life life was to
serve in Viet Nam. Why won't he tell us what he has done since then. He is the
one who made Viet Nam a campaign issue, not Bush.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Jim Yanik]

"David Galehouse" > wrote in
:

>
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message
> ink.net...


>> What's your evidence of that? What's abysmal about his record?
>>
>
> I don't have time to list all of his failures, so let's just start
> with the fact that he let his guard down before 9/11,

Uh,there were many Al-Queda attacks upon the US (WTC-I,overseas
attacks)during the Clinton years.
So,what "guard" was there to "let down" ?
If anything,CLINTON was responsible for 9-11,as he gave an appearance of
weakness to OBL and Al-Queda(by doing nothing effective),and cut the
military,too.Clinton essentially did nothing about OBL or terrorism.



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Jim Yanik]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in
nk.net:

>
> "BOB" <SD> wrote in message ...
> >
>> Oh, Bush has a "record" Dave, but not one that he nor anyone else would
>> want to run on. He will lose in November and I don't think it will even
>> be close. That's just my opinion.
>>
>
> Well, Bush IS running on his record, and Kerry is running FROM his!
>
>
>

Kerry has not said one word about his past performance in the Senate,nor
about his (traitorous) anti-war activities.
And what about his many absences from voting?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[William Davenant]

Gactimus > wrote in message >...

It's a very amusing situation.

Bush has been attacked by these Democrat 527s for months. A good chuck
of their funding comes from wacky billionaire George Soros, who, no
doubt, would like to see a more "European" America.

Now, along comes these swift boat vets with relatively poor funding
and the Democrats are calling foul!

They say there's a connexion between them and the Bush campaign.

But never mind the fact that at the Democratic National Convention
most, if not all these Democrat 527s, were present/hosting hospitality
suites etc. And that the heads of some of these Democrat 527 have
prior affiliations with Kerry ....

Now, along comes Max Cleland saying that 1) Bush should stop the
Swift Boats (but if you don't have any control how can you stop,
and whatever happened to the 1st Amendment?) and 2) that the
swifties dishonor vets by dissing Kerry's service!

Max and his fellow petitioners have their heads up their collective
asses.

John Kerry came back from Vietnam and repudiated whatever honors
he earned when he made the (in)famous medal toss and made numerous
public statements characterizing US troops in Vietnam as
war criminals etc.

The swift boat 537 clearly don't think much of John Kerry. Why?
Because he did the above, he dishonored himself and his fellows.

But, according to Cleland, by making an issue out of Kerry's
Vietnan service and post-Vietnam activities as related to Vietnam,
all vets are being dishonored! (Never mind the 1st Amendment, the
thing that let Kerry make all those charges in the first place.)

In other words, Kerry was right about the war crimes etc. One can only
conclude, then, that according to Cleland and his fellows being
a war criminal isn't dishonorable.

In short, Cleland and crew would find people like Hitler, Saddam Hussein
et alia satisfactory candidates for public office. Well, like I said
they've clearly got their heads up their asses.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,130010,00.html

wd

[David Galehouse]

"William Davenant" > wrote in message
m...
> Gactimus > wrote in message
>...
>
> It's a very amusing situation.
>

Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that
he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side, of
course.

[Jim Yanik]

(William Davenant) wrote in
m:

> Gactimus > wrote in message
> >...
>
> It's a very amusing situation.
>
> Bush has been attacked by these Democrat 527s for months. A good chuck
> of their funding comes from wacky billionaire George Soros, who, no
> doubt, would like to see a more "European" America.
>
> Now, along comes these swift boat vets with relatively poor funding
> and the Democrats are calling foul!
>
> They say there's a connexion between them and the Bush campaign.
>
> But never mind the fact that at the Democratic National Convention
> most, if not all these Democrat 527s, were present/hosting hospitality
> suites etc. And that the heads of some of these Democrat 527 have
> prior affiliations with Kerry ....

>
> Now, along comes Max Cleland saying that 1) Bush should stop the
> Swift Boats (but if you don't have any control how can you stop,
> and whatever happened to the 1st Amendment?)

McCain-Feingold was the first assault of the 1st Amendment WRT political
free speech.They wanted to silence the "special-interest" lobbys,and they
still want that.

How could the USSC have let McCain-Feingold stand????
WTF's wrong with them?
Perhaps they need to stand for re-election as other judges must.


--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Brett]

"David Galehouse" > wrote:
> "William Davenant" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Gactimus > wrote in message
> >...
> >
> > It's a very amusing situation.
> >
>
> Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed
that
> he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side, of
> course.

Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the [Democratic National Committee] and a group
running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong with serving
in both roles at once. (SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press Writer in an August
24, 2004 article).

[Jim Yanik]

"David Galehouse" > wrote in
:

>
> "William Davenant" > wrote in message
> m...
>> Gactimus > wrote in message
> >...
>>
>> It's a very amusing situation.
>>
>
> Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed
> that he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's
> side, of course.
>
>
>

Perhaps that shows who has the integrity.
("directing" the SBVets??? Perhaps more like innocently answered some
question or two.)

And many of those SBVets are DemocRATs!

I note that the Kerry campaign has close ties to a lot of 527's (like
MoveOn.org) AND Michael Moore.One would have to be very naive to believe
they do not communicate with (or "direct")some 527's.Kerry had MoveOn
people on his platform at the DNC convention,IIRC.
And he has NOT disavowed their ads,nor Fahrenheit 911.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Jim Yanik]

"Brett" > wrote in
:

> "David Galehouse" > wrote:
>> "William Davenant" > wrote in message
>> m...
>> > Gactimus > wrote in message
>> >...
>> >
>> > It's a very amusing situation.
>> >
>>
>> Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was
>> revealed
> that
>> he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side,
>> of course.
>
> Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the [Democratic National Committee] and a
> group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong
> with serving in both roles at once. (SHARON THEIMER, Associated Press
> Writer in an August 24, 2004 article).
>
>
>
>
Tuesday, Aug. 24, 2004

Kerry Boasts of Links to Bush-Hating 527 Groups

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/8/24/172440.shtml

NewsMax Uncovers Kerry's Ties to Anti-Bush Groups

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2004/8/23/153719.shtml
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"David Gale" > wrote in message
...
>
> Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was
> revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness' activities?
> Bush's side, of course.
>

Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Brett" > wrote in message
. ..
> >
> > Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was
> > revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities?
> > Bush's side, of course.
> >
>
> Joe Sandler, a lawyer for the [Democratic National Committee] and a
> group running anti-Bush ads, MoveOn.org, said there is nothing wrong
> with serving in both roles at once. (SHARON THEIMER, Associated
> Press Writer in an August 24, 2004 article).
>

He's right, there is nothing at all wrong with it. But Galehouse isn't
referring to lawyer Benjamin Ginsberg, who provided legal advice to the Bush
campaign and to the Swift Boat Vets. Ginsberg had no input into any of the
SBV activities.

[Bob Coe]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote
>
> "David Gale" > wrote
> >
> > Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was
> > revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness' activities?
> > Bush's side, of course.
> >
>
> Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news.

Exactly. He didn't lie, he was a legal professional, who thought his personal
ethics should not be in question. Kerry has the same legal professionals, and
they don't think it is a question of ethics. I believe both are right, however I
also believe that the 527's are bad for politics and individual campaigns. If they
were about party politics, rather than individual politics, then I think they
would serve an useful purpose. People with billions of dollars, and a short
time to spend it (on either side) can't be trusted to remain reasonable, and
they have proven this by billions spent on dredging-up the Vietnam war,
and all the losers associated with that era. It's like an American Legion
convention for president of the legion, rather than the worlds last superpower.

Billions of dollars spent on television ads to argue about history from 35 years
ago, rather than the future, and each parties goals for American policy.

It's a disgrace, and pure theater. Only the actors will get anything out of it.
Cleland, for example, should get an Academy Award for best supporting
actor. He looks like he really means it, even though we know it's only a
fictional story.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Bob Coe" > wrote in message
news:xlxXc.14694$ni.7263@okepread01...
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote
> >
> > "David Gale" > wrote
> > >
> > > Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was
> > > revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness' activities?
> > > Bush's side, of course.
> > >
> >
> > Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news.
> >
>
> Exactly.
>

I'm rather surprised by your admission.


>
> Billions of dollars spent on television ads to argue about history from
> 35 years ago, rather than the future, and each parties goals for
> American policy.
>

Well, the Republicans are trying to talk about the future, but the Kerry
campaign and the mainstream media insist on focusing on Vietnam.

[William Davenant]

"David Galehouse" > wrote in message >...

> > It's a very amusing situation.

> Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was revealed that
> he lied about directing the No-So-Swifties' activities? Bush's side, of
> course.

Well, it's even more amusing than you know, which I assume probably isn't
any great revelation to people who know you.

Ben Ginsburg is a lawyer who specializes in federal election law.
(Something I assume has only a limited number of practioners.) He was,
until he resigned, one of the Bush campaign's outside legal counsels.

He also represented (as an attorney) these Swift Boat vets on matters
related to federal election law.

For liberals that represented a suspicious nexus. Obviously he must
be passing messages between the two (even tho that would probably be
a breach of client confidentiality). The media (liberal toadies)
would obviously have a field day with this, inventing all manner of
fiction. So, according to this standard, Ben must resign.

So poor ol' Ben fell on his sword for Bush.

Now, here comes the funny part.

The Kerry campaign shares an attorney, Robert Bauer, with "America
Coming Together," a liberal 527 group which claims to be interested in
getting out the vote (not for Bush, tho). There's also Harold Ickes.
Ickes organized "America Coming Together" along with "The Media Fund,"
another 527 group. Ickes sits on the executive committee of the
Democratic National Committee. Then there's Gov. Bill Richardson (D-NM).
He serves on the board of "The New Democrat Network," yet another
527. Oh, by the way, there is also Jim Jordan, who resigned from the
Kerry campaign last November. Mr. Jordan is spokesman for "The Media
Fund."

Oh, then there's Perkins Coie, a law firm. It represents Kerry and
"America Coming Together." There's also Joe Sandler. He's top outside
counsel to the Democratic National Committee. Sandler also represents
MoveOn.org Voter Fund. As an aside, Sandler formerly defended
Ginsburg's right to represent both Bush and Swift Boats, but starting
on Aug. 25, he referred questions on this matter to the DNC.

As I said, it's all very amusing! Will the Democrats apply the
same high standards to themselves as they apply to others? ;-)

Don't hold your breath, folks! It's a well known fact that Democrats
(aka "liberals") are arrogant hypocrites with no moral center who
couldn't tell the truth to save their collective mother's soul. Etc.
Etc. Etc.

That's why John Kerry isn't fit to serve as street sweeper.

And it's all very, very funny! I expect to see an expose on Democrat
hypocracy and violations of McCain-Feingold tomorrow on PBS/NPR. ;-)

wd

[Jim Yanik]

"Bob Coe" > wrote in news:xlxXc.14694$ni.7263@okepread01:

> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote
>>
>> "David Gale" > wrote
>> >
>> > Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was
>> > revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness'
>> > activities? Bush's side, of course.
>> >
>>
>> Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news.
>
> Exactly. He didn't lie, he was a legal professional, who thought his
> personal ethics should not be in question. Kerry has the same legal
> professionals, and they don't think it is a question of ethics. I
> believe both are right, however I also believe that the 527's are bad
> for politics and individual campaigns.

Gee,what about free speech?
Poor people have to group together to be able to afford TV ads,but McCain-
Feingold put some limits on that,giving rise to the 527's.Poor people do
not have the media to air their questions,complaints,or desires,either.
The media leans vastly towards Kerry.The media is alleged to give Kerry a
15 point lead.

Actually,the public has an opportunity to learn a great deal about
Mr.Kerry,if they only pay attention.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Jim Yanik]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in
ink.net:

>
> "Bob Coe" > wrote in message
> news:xlxXc.14694$ni.7263@okepread01...
>> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote
>> >
>> > "David Gale" > wrote
>> > >
>> > > Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was
>> > > revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness'
>> > > activities? Bush's side, of course.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news.
>> >
>>
>> Exactly.
>>
>
> I'm rather surprised by your admission.
>
>
>>
>> Billions of dollars spent on television ads to argue about history
>> from 35 years ago, rather than the future, and each parties goals for
>> American policy.
>>
>
> Well, the Republicans are trying to talk about the future, but the
> Kerry campaign and the mainstream media insist on focusing on Vietnam.
>
>
>

Actually,the mainstream media is trying to discredit the Swift Boat
Vets,rather than actually check out their accusations.They tend to blindly
accept whatever Kerry says.Look at how fast the media demanded Bush's
records over the "AWOL" business,yet is -not- calling for Kerry to release
HIS records,or his journals(and he will not release them).

And they definitely are avoiding his anti-war activities *while still being
in the Naval Reserves*.He also MET with North vietnamese while still in the
Reserves,which is forbidden,IIRC.(perhaps a court-marshall offense?)

He gave aid and comfort to the enemy while in uniform.POW's suffered
because of his actions.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Jim Yanik]

There's a great deal of interesting reading on Kerry at Townhall.com and
NationalReview.com,if anyone is interested.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Tank Fixer]

In article et>,
on Fri, 27 Aug 2004 02:34:39 GMT,
Steven P. McNicoll attempted to say .....

>
> "David Gale" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Sure is! Which side had a campaign worker resign after it was
> > revealed that he lied about directing the No-So-Swiftness' activities?
> > Bush's side, of course.
> >
>
> Sounds like you're misinterpreting the news.

Not an uncommon trait with many liberals

--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[sanjian]

Bob Coe wrote:
> "Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote
>>
>> "David Gale" > wrote

> It's a disgrace, and pure theater. Only the actors will get anything
> out of it. Cleland, for example, should get an Academy Award for best
> supporting
> actor. He looks like he really means it, even though we know it's
> only a fictional story.

I wonder if anyone's told Max about that.

Generally, I like Max Cleland, but I think he's gone way overboard recently.

[sanjian]

William Davenant wrote:

> Now, here comes the funny part.
>
> The Kerry campaign shares an attorney, Robert Bauer, with "America
> Coming Together," a liberal 527 group which claims to be interested in
> getting out the vote (not for Bush, tho). There's also Harold Ickes.
> Ickes organized "America Coming Together" along with "The Media Fund,"
> another 527 group. Ickes sits on the executive committee of the
> Democratic National Committee. Then there's Gov. Bill Richardson
> (D-NM).
> He serves on the board of "The New Democrat Network," yet another
> 527. Oh, by the way, there is also Jim Jordan, who resigned from the
> Kerry campaign last November. Mr. Jordan is spokesman for "The Media
> Fund."

<snip>

What you've shown is the biggest reason that the American Left disgusts me.
In the f'sking middle of slandering the Bush team, they complain about
Bush's actions... they don't even have the decency to stop or even hide
their own misdoings while they're leveling the accusations. It's like the
expect no one to notice the blood on their own hands. I expect the
democrats to play dirty, I just don't expect to see the strings.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"sanjian" > wrote in message
news:ftQXc.107953$Lj.96109@fed1read03...
> William Davenant wrote:
>
> > Now, here comes the funny part.
> >
> > The Kerry campaign shares an attorney, Robert Bauer, with "America
> > Coming Together," a liberal 527 group which claims to be interested in
> > getting out the vote (not for Bush, tho). There's also Harold Ickes.
> > Ickes organized "America Coming Together" along with "The Media Fund,"
> > another 527 group. Ickes sits on the executive committee of the
> > Democratic National Committee. Then there's Gov. Bill Richardson
> > (D-NM).
> > He serves on the board of "The New Democrat Network," yet another
> > 527. Oh, by the way, there is also Jim Jordan, who resigned from the
> > Kerry campaign last November. Mr. Jordan is spokesman for "The Media
> > Fund."
>
> <snip>
>
> What you've shown is the biggest reason that the American Left disgusts
me.
> In the f'sking middle of slandering the Bush team, they complain about
> Bush's actions... they don't even have the decency to stop or even hide
> their own misdoings while they're leveling the accusations. It's like the
> expect no one to notice the blood on their own hands. I expect the
> democrats to play dirty, I just don't expect to see the strings.
>

Actually, in the middle of slandering the Bush team, they complain of Bush
slandering them. But Bush isn't slandering them, Bush is not behind the
SBVT ads, and there's no indication that the SBVT are saying anything but
the truth.

[BUFDRVR]

Ray Fischer wrote:

>Never mind the ballooning debt

Legitimate argument.

>the thousand soldiers dead

And what are the results? Outstanding results.

>the increase in terrorism

Really? How many U.S. embassies have been bombed? How many U.S. warships
attacked? None? Damn, doesn't sound like an increase to me, but a noticable
*decrease*.

> attacks on the environment

Hogwash.

>and on civil rights.

Perhaps, but according to the add I just heard Kerry invented the Patriot Act
so if you have issue with any thing in there tell Kerry about it. Actually,
don't bother, he didn't "invent" it, but he did support it.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Kerry asks Bush to, "Make it go away!"
>From: (BUFDRVR)
>Date: 8/28/2004 5:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Ray Fischer wrote:
>
>>Never mind the ballooning debt
>
>Legitimate argument.
>
>>the thousand soldiers dead
>
>And what are the results? Outstanding results.
>
>>the increase in terrorism
>
>Really? How many U.S. embassies have been bombed? How many U.S. warships
>attacked? None? Damn, doesn't sound like an increase to me, but a noticable
>*decrease*.


7,000 dead and wounded to date. And since you are not one of them you don't
give a damn.




fate
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
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[Kevin Brooks]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
> >Subject: Re: Kerry asks Bush to, "Make it go away!"
> >From: (BUFDRVR)
> >Date: 8/28/2004 5:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >
> >>Never mind the ballooning debt
> >
> >Legitimate argument.
> >
> >>the thousand soldiers dead
> >
> >And what are the results? Outstanding results.
> >
> >>the increase in terrorism
> >
> >Really? How many U.S. embassies have been bombed? How many U.S. warships
> >attacked? None? Damn, doesn't sound like an increase to me, but a
noticable
> >*decrease*.
>
>
> 7,000 dead and wounded to date. And since you are not one of them you
don't
> give a damn.

Nice try, Artie; I see that your tapdancing shoes are still in use. Now,
back to the actual claim you made earlier, and to which Bufdrvr quite aptly
replied--where is the evidence of this increase in terrorism? As Bufdrvr
pointed out, we sustained many more terrorist attacks under Clinton than we
have under Bush.

Brooks
>
>
>
>
> Arthur Kramer

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on 29 Aug 2004 01:34:08 GMT,
ArtKramr attempted to say .....

> >Subject: Re: Kerry asks Bush to, "Make it go away!"
> >From: (BUFDRVR)
> >Date: 8/28/2004 5:15 PM Pacific Standard Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >Ray Fischer wrote:
> >
> >>Never mind the ballooning debt
> >
> >Legitimate argument.
> >
> >>the thousand soldiers dead
> >
> >And what are the results? Outstanding results.
> >
> >>the increase in terrorism
> >
> >Really? How many U.S. embassies have been bombed? How many U.S. warships
> >attacked? None? Damn, doesn't sound like an increase to me, but a noticable
> >*decrease*.
>
>
> 7,000 dead and wounded to date. And since you are not one of them you don't
> give a damn.

Part of the risk that goes with the job we do Art.


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[B2431]

>"Make it go away!"
>From: (Ray Fischer)
>Date: 8/29/2004 1:32 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Steven P. McNicoll > wrote:
>>"Ray Fischer" > wrote in message
>>> Steven P. McNicoll > wrote:
>>> >"rstro" > wrote in message
>
>>> >> He is calling it off--because they should be discussing the issues that
>>> >> are currently affectign this country--and we all know George The
>>> >> Monkey can't do that!
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >No? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but George Bush is running on the basis
>>of
>>> >his recent service as an elected official
>>>
>>> On a rather creative version of his record.
>>>
>>> Never mind the ballooning debt, the thousand soldiers dead, the
>>> increase in terrorism, and attacks on the environment and on civil
>>> rights.
>>
>>So why isn't Kerry going after him on those issues?
>
>He is.
>
>> Why does he focus on
>>his 4 1/2 month tour in Vietnam 35 years ago
>
>He doesn't.
>
>You do.
>

"As a young man I served my country in Viet Nam" is a common phrase in many of
his speaches. With the exception of Reagan Jr. all the speakers at the
convention mentioned kerry's medals and Viet Nam tour.

The latest kerry ad I have seen has the "as a young man" line followed by
"reporting for duty." Then he gives a very sloppy and disrespectful salute. If
that isn't about his military service I don't know what is.

He and all the 527s on his side have been crowing about his military service
all year. That is his right, but he shouldn't whine when someone disagrees with
him.

Why won't he discuss his history in the Senate or before?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>
> "As a young man I served my country in Viet Nam" is a common phrase in
many of
> his speaches. With the exception of Reagan Jr. all the speakers at the
> convention mentioned kerry's medals and Viet Nam tour.
>
> The latest kerry ad I have seen has the "as a young man" line followed by
> "reporting for duty." Then he gives a very sloppy and disrespectful
salute. If
> that isn't about his military service I don't know what is.
>
> He and all the 527s on his side have been crowing about his military
service
> all year. That is his right, but he shouldn't whine when someone disagrees
with
> him.
>
> Why won't he discuss his history in the Senate or before?
>

Because that would mean a Bush landslide.

[B2431]

>From: "Steven P. McNicoll"
>Date: 8/29/2004 2:00 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: et>
>
>
>"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> "As a young man I served my country in Viet Nam" is a common phrase in
>many of
>> his speaches. With the exception of Reagan Jr. all the speakers at the
>> convention mentioned kerry's medals and Viet Nam tour.
>>
>> The latest kerry ad I have seen has the "as a young man" line followed by
>> "reporting for duty." Then he gives a very sloppy and disrespectful
>salute. If
>> that isn't about his military service I don't know what is.
>>
>> He and all the 527s on his side have been crowing about his military
>service
>> all year. That is his right, but he shouldn't whine when someone disagrees
>with
>> him.
>>
>> Why won't he discuss his history in the Senate or before?
>>
>
>Because that would mean a Bush landslide.

I know :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[BUFDRVR]

ArtKramr wrote:

>7,000 dead and wounded to date.

From a single incident, while tragic that is ot an indicator of an increase in
terrorism, just an increase in effectiveness.

>And since you are not one of them you don't
>give a damn.

Sad. Go back to sleep old man.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[William Davenant]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in message t>...

> Actually, in the middle of slandering the Bush team, they complain of Bush
> slandering them. But Bush isn't slandering them, Bush is not behind the
> SBVT ads, and there's no indication that the SBVT are saying anything but
> the truth.

Indeed. We have classic Orwell doublespeak! Slander = telling the truth.

It's just more evidence that liberals don't think, they just feel/emote.
Any attempts to find logic/fact/reason behind their rantings is doomed
to failure! ;-) Even so, it can still be fun because when you overturn
the rocks in a liberal's head, you typically find all sorts of creepy
crawlies.

The lesson we're supposed to take, according to liberals, is that
they mean well. That's all that counts. ;-)

wd