Kerry?

[DavidG35]

Not trying to be a smart ass but why should I vote for Kerry? Please leave
emotional BS and, "It's not Bush", as an answer. What has he accomplished
in 20 years in the senate? I recently retired after 20+ in the AF and I
never saw squat from him supporting the military during that time and I feel
our country is still at war and am afraid all he would do is lead by opinion
polls like another president that thought terrorism is a crime and not a
war.
Thanks,
GMAN

[Bob Coe]

"DavidG35" > wrote
>
> Not trying to be a smart ass but why should I vote for Kerry?

Vote for anyone you want. Your justification in any regard, is
about your personal future needs and goals, and which candidate
will form a cabinet and administration that closely aligns with these.

[John A. Weeks III]

In article <KtxXc.106707$Lj.49511@fed1read03>, DavidG35
> wrote:

> Not trying to be a smart ass but why should I vote for Kerry? Please leave
> emotional BS and, "It's not Bush", as an answer. What has he accomplished
> in 20 years in the senate? I recently retired after 20+ in the AF and I
> never saw squat from him supporting the military during that time and I feel
> our country is still at war and am afraid all he would do is lead by opinion
> polls like another president that thought terrorism is a crime and not a
> war.

Perhaps it isn't so much what Kerry has done, but what he will not
do, and that is make all the serious mistakes that Bush has made.
At least Kerry will probably be able to read the intelligence reports
(rather ignoring terrorist warnings), and be able to tell which
country is which on the other side of world (so he wouldn't have
invaded Iraq by mistake), nor will Kerry allow the US people to
suffer in the worst depression in the past 80 years while our jobs
are moving overseas. If you are conservative economically, then
Kerry should be your choice -- Democrats traditionally increase
jobs and decrease the defecit. Liberals like Bush are trying to
spend the country into oblivion and our grandchildren will still
be paying for W's extravagent spending if we don't stop him now.

-john-

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John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
================================================== ==================

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"John A. Weeks III" > wrote in message
...
> In article <KtxXc.106707$Lj.49511@fed1read03>, DavidG35
> > wrote:
>
> > Not trying to be a smart ass but why should I vote for Kerry? Please
leave
> > emotional BS and, "It's not Bush", as an answer. What has he
accomplished
> > in 20 years in the senate? I recently retired after 20+ in the AF and I
> > never saw squat from him supporting the military during that time and I
feel
> > our country is still at war and am afraid all he would do is lead by
opinion
> > polls like another president that thought terrorism is a crime and not a
> > war.
>
> Perhaps it isn't so much what Kerry has done, but what he will not
> do, and that is make all the serious mistakes that Bush has made.
> At least Kerry will probably be able to read the intelligence reports
> (rather ignoring terrorist warnings), and be able to tell which
> country is which on the other side of world (so he wouldn't have
> invaded Iraq by mistake), nor will Kerry allow the US people to
> suffer in the worst depression in the past 80 years while our jobs
> are moving overseas.
>

We're now in the worst depresion since 1924? Things are worse now than
during the Great Depression?


>
> If you are conservative economically, then Kerry should be your choice --
>

Why is that? Kerry isn't an economic conservative?


>
> Democrats traditionally increase jobs and decrease the defecit.
>

Traditionally? When has that EVER been true?


>
> Liberals like Bush are trying to
> spend the country into oblivion and our grandchildren will still
> be paying for W's extravagent spending if we don't stop him now.
>

So vote for someone more liberal than Bush?

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"John A. Weeks III" > wrote:

> nor will Kerry allow the US people to
> suffer in the worst depression in the past 80 years

What a truly silly assertion.

> while our jobs are moving overseas.

You need to check actual fact: "outsourcing" works both ways, and we
have more pay gained from jobs moved to the U.S. than lost to moving
other jobs offshore.

[Vaughn]

No aviation content. Take it to a political group and you may get a reasonable
answer.

Vaughn

[John A. Weeks III]

In article >, Steve
Hix > wrote:

> You need to check actual fact: "outsourcing" works both ways, and we
> have more pay gained from jobs moved to the U.S. than lost to moving
> other jobs offshore.

Great. Now tell that to the people in the midwest where entire
cities are folding up and blowing away due to job loss. Tell
that to the long term unemployeed who have lost thier jobs,
their unemployment has run out, and now have lost their healthcare.
Data out yesterday proves the point that almost 2-million more
people live in poverty today than when W took office. Now tell
me that it is good for the economy.

-john-

--
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John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
================================================== ==================

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"John A. Weeks III" > wrote in message
...
>
> Great. Now tell that to the people in the midwest where entire
> cities are folding up and blowing away due to job loss. Tell
> that to the long term unemployeed who have lost thier jobs,
> their unemployment has run out, and now have lost their healthcare.
> Data out yesterday proves the point that almost 2-million more
> people live in poverty today than when W took office. Now tell
> me that it is good for the economy.
>

What would you like the government to do about that?

[Jim Yanik]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in
ink.net:

>
> "John A. Weeks III" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article <KtxXc.106707$Lj.49511@fed1read03>, DavidG35
>> > wrote:
>>
>> > Not trying to be a smart ass but why should I vote for Kerry?
>> > Please
> leave
>> > emotional BS and, "It's not Bush", as an answer. What has he
> accomplished
>> > in 20 years in the senate? I recently retired after 20+ in the AF
>> > and I never saw squat from him supporting the military during that
>> > time and I
> feel
>> > our country is still at war and am afraid all he would do is lead
>> > by
> opinion
>> > polls like another president that thought terrorism is a crime and
>> > not a war.
>>
>> Perhaps it isn't so much what Kerry has done, but what he will not
>> do, and that is make all the serious mistakes that Bush has made.
>> At least Kerry will probably be able to read the intelligence reports
>> (rather ignoring terrorist warnings), and be able to tell which
>> country is which on the other side of world (so he wouldn't have
>> invaded Iraq by mistake), nor will Kerry allow the US people to
>> suffer in the worst depression in the past 80 years while our jobs
>> are moving overseas.
>>
>
> We're now in the worst depresion since 1924? Things are worse now
> than during the Great Depression?

An interesting article on exactly this on NationalReview.com.



--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Jim Yanik]

Perry > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 22:23:56 -0500, "John A. Weeks III"
> wrote:
>
>>In article <KtxXc.106707$Lj.49511@fed1read03>, DavidG35
> wrote:
>>
>>> Not trying to be a smart ass but why should I vote for Kerry? Please
>>> leave emotional BS and, "It's not Bush", as an answer. What has he
>>> accomplished in 20 years in the senate? I recently retired after 20+
>>> in the AF and I never saw squat from him supporting the military
>>> during that time and I feel our country is still at war and am
>>> afraid all he would do is lead by opinion polls like another
>>> president that thought terrorism is a crime and not a war.
>>
>>Perhaps it isn't so much what Kerry has done, but what he will not
>>do, and that is make all the serious mistakes that Bush has made.
>>At least Kerry will probably be able to read the intelligence reports
>>(rather ignoring terrorist warnings), and be able to tell which
>>country is which on the other side of world (so he wouldn't have
>>invaded Iraq by mistake), nor will Kerry allow the US people to
>>suffer in the worst depression in the past 80 years while our jobs
>>are moving overseas. If you are conservative economically, then
>>Kerry should be your choice -- Democrats traditionally increase
>>jobs and decrease the defecit. Liberals like Bush are trying to
>>spend the country into oblivion and our grandchildren will still
>>be paying for W's extravagent spending if we don't stop him now.
>>
>>-john-
>
> Bull**** John, worst depression in the past 80 years, You're ****ing
> joking right? Hope so because it really is funny. Because if you're
> not then you are really ignorant.
>
>

check this out;
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_comment/kane200408260824.asp

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Jim Yanik]

"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote in
ink.net:

>
> "John A. Weeks III" > wrote in message
> ...


>> Perhaps it isn't so much what Kerry has done, but what he will not
>> do, and that is make all the serious mistakes that Bush has made.
>> At least Kerry will probably be able to read the intelligence reports
>> (rather ignoring terrorist warnings), and be able to tell which
>> country is which on the other side of world (so he wouldn't have
>> invaded Iraq by mistake), nor will Kerry allow the US people to
>> suffer in the worst depression in the past 80 years while our jobs
>> are moving overseas.
>>
>
> We're now in the worst depresion since 1924? Things are worse now
> than during the Great Depression?
>
>

Here's the URL for the article;
http://www.nationalreview.com/nrof_comment/kane200408260824.asp
--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on Fri, 27 Aug 2004 09:15:49 -0500,
John A. Weeks III attempted to say .....

> In article >, Steve
> Hix > wrote:
>
> > You need to check actual fact: "outsourcing" works both ways, and we
> > have more pay gained from jobs moved to the U.S. than lost to moving
> > other jobs offshore.
>
> Great. Now tell that to the people in the midwest where entire
> cities are folding up and blowing away due to job loss. Tell
> that to the long term unemployeed who have lost thier jobs,
> their unemployment has run out, and now have lost their healthcare.
> Data out yesterday proves the point that almost 2-million more
> people live in poverty today than when W took office. Now tell
> me that it is good for the economy.

And it started long before GWB came to be president.

Think Steel mills....


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[John A. Weeks III]

In article >, Tank
Fixer > wrote:

> > Great. Now tell that to the people in the midwest where entire
> > cities are folding up and blowing away due to job loss. Tell
> > that to the long term unemployeed who have lost thier jobs,
> > their unemployment has run out, and now have lost their healthcare.
> > Data out yesterday proves the point that almost 2-million more
> > people live in poverty today than when W took office. Now tell
> > me that it is good for the economy.
>
> And it started long before GWB came to be president.
>
> Think Steel mills....

Good example. Steel imports are at historic levels while we
send raw materials and scrap iron overseas. It may have started
years ago, but Bush put it in high gear. His goal is a 3rd
world America with his "base" of haves and have-mores, and
the rest of the public working $3 per hour fast food jobs.
They may not have gotten to your job yet, but look out, they
are coming after it sooner or later. Just like the Catholics
stood bye as the Nazi's took the Jews, not realizing that
they were next on Hitler's list. Don't let America end up
like the Polish ghettos of the early 40's. That is why it
is so important to vote for Kerry/Edwards. Four more years
of Bush and there will not be anything left to save.

-john-

--
================================================== ==================
John A. Weeks III 952-432-2708
Newave Communications http://www.johnweeks.com
================================================== ==================

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"John A. Weeks III" > wrote in message
...
>
> Good example. Steel imports are at historic levels while we
> send raw materials and scrap iron overseas. It may have started
> years ago, but Bush put it in high gear. His goal is a 3rd
> world America with his "base" of haves and have-mores, and
> the rest of the public working $3 per hour fast food jobs.
> They may not have gotten to your job yet, but look out, they
> are coming after it sooner or later. Just like the Catholics
> stood bye as the Nazi's took the Jews, not realizing that
> they were next on Hitler's list. Don't let America end up
> like the Polish ghettos of the early 40's. That is why it
> is so important to vote for Kerry/Edwards. Four more years
> of Bush and there will not be anything left to save.
>

Kerry plans to send more jobs overseas.

[Jarg]

"John A. Weeks III" > wrote in message
...

>
> Good example. Steel imports are at historic levels while we
> send raw materials and scrap iron overseas. It may have started
> years ago, but Bush put it in high gear. His goal is a 3rd
> world America with his "base" of haves and have-mores, and
> the rest of the public working $3 per hour fast food jobs.
> They may not have gotten to your job yet, but look out, they
> are coming after it sooner or later. Just like the Catholics
> stood bye as the Nazi's took the Jews, not realizing that
> they were next on Hitler's list. Don't let America end up
> like the Polish ghettos of the early 40's. That is why it
> is so important to vote for Kerry/Edwards. Four more years
> of Bush and there will not be anything left to save.
>

Another "Sky is Falling!" Democrat. What a miserable bunch of pessimists,
no faith at all in the United States ability to compete in the world despite
the fact that our economy is the envy of the world. Truly I pity the bunch.

Jarg

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Kerry?
>From: "Jarg"
>Date: 8/27/2004 3:25 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"John A. Weeks III" > wrote in message
...
>
>>
>> Good example. Steel imports are at historic levels while we
>> send raw materials and scrap iron overseas. It may have started
>> years ago, but Bush put it in high gear. His goal is a 3rd
>> world America with his "base" of haves and have-mores, and
>> the rest of the public working $3 per hour fast food jobs.
>> They may not have gotten to your job yet, but look out, they
>> are coming after it sooner or later. Just like the Catholics
>> stood bye as the Nazi's took the Jews, not realizing that
>> they were next on Hitler's list. Don't let America end up
>> like the Polish ghettos of the early 40's. That is why it
>> is so important to vote for Kerry/Edwards. Four more years
>> of Bush and there will not be anything left to save.
>>
>
>Another "Sky is Falling!" Democrat. What a miserable bunch of pessimists,
>no faith at all in the United States ability to compete in the world despite
>the fact that our economy is the envy of the world. Truly I pity the bunch.
>
>Jarg


We have faith in the Unuted States. we just have no faith in the Bush, Cheney
Rumsfeld NEOCON screw ups.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Tank Fixer]

In article >,
on Fri, 27 Aug 2004 16:57:02 -0500,
John A. Weeks III attempted to say .....

> In article >, Tank
> Fixer > wrote:
>
> > > Great. Now tell that to the people in the midwest where entire
> > > cities are folding up and blowing away due to job loss. Tell
> > > that to the long term unemployeed who have lost thier jobs,
> > > their unemployment has run out, and now have lost their healthcare.
> > > Data out yesterday proves the point that almost 2-million more
> > > people live in poverty today than when W took office. Now tell
> > > me that it is good for the economy.
> >
> > And it started long before GWB came to be president.
> >
> > Think Steel mills....
>
> Good example. Steel imports are at historic levels while we
> send raw materials and scrap iron overseas. It may have started
> years ago, but Bush put it in high gear. His goal is a 3rd
> world America with his "base" of haves and have-mores, and
> the rest of the public working $3 per hour fast food jobs.
> They may not have gotten to your job yet, but look out, they
> are coming after it sooner or later. Just like the Catholics
> stood bye as the Nazi's took the Jews, not realizing that
> they were next on Hitler's list. Don't let America end up
> like the Polish ghettos of the early 40's. That is why it
> is so important to vote for Kerry/Edwards. Four more years
> of Bush and there will not be anything left to save.



That's one of the more amazing rants I've ever heard.
Do you really believe that tripe or are you just spouting the party line ?


--
When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in
variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant.

[Jarg]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...

> >
> >Another "Sky is Falling!" Democrat. What a miserable bunch of
pessimists,
> >no faith at all in the United States ability to compete in the world
despite
> >the fact that our economy is the envy of the world. Truly I pity the
bunch.
> >
> >Jarg
>
>
> We have faith in the Unuted States. we just have no faith in the Bush,
Cheney
> Rumsfeld NEOCON screw ups.
>
>
> Arthur Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

They aren't neocons. And it is conservative Rebublican economic policies
that have helped make the United States economy so strong.

Jarg

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Kerry?
>From: "Jarg"
>Date: 8/28/2004 5:07 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>
>> >
>> >Another "Sky is Falling!" Democrat. What a miserable bunch of
>pessimists,
>> >no faith at all in the United States ability to compete in the world
>despite
>> >the fact that our economy is the envy of the world. Truly I pity the
>bunch.
>> >
>> >Jarg
>>
>>
>> We have faith in the Unuted States. we just have no faith in the Bush,
>Cheney
>> Rumsfeld NEOCON screw ups.
>>
>>
>> Arthur Kramer
>> 344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>>
>
>They aren't neocons. And it is conservative Rebublican economic policies
>that have helped make the United States economy so strong.
>
>Jarg
>


The economy is down the toilet. The poor are getting poorer. All the best jobs
are being sent overseas to pay off the corporations that have supported Bush
with big $$$$. We have a record number of children in poverty without
healthcare And half the americans aren't sure that that they will have a job
tomorrow. The economy is only good for the very rich. But the neocons were
always out to support the rich so that is nothing new. And let's not even talk
about the prescription medication fraud the neocons are pulling on the
American people in favor the the theiving HMO's.
We have the best administration money can buy But that will all change in
November.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[B2431]

>From: "Jarg"
>Date: 8/28/2004 7:07 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>
>> >
>> >Another "Sky is Falling!" Democrat. What a miserable bunch of
>pessimists,
>> >no faith at all in the United States ability to compete in the world
>despite
>> >the fact that our economy is the envy of the world. Truly I pity the
>bunch.
>> >
>> >Jarg
>>
>>
>> We have faith in the Unuted States. we just have no faith in the Bush,
>Cheney
>> Rumsfeld NEOCON screw ups.
>>
>>
>> Arthur Kramer
>> 344th BG 494th BS
>> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
>> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
>> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>>
>
>They aren't neocons. And it is conservative Rebublican economic policies
>that have helped make the United States economy so strong.
>
>Jarg

You missed the point. Art thinks conservatism is a recent invention hence the
term "neocon" which he obviously thinks is a dirty word. I was conservative
long before anyone thought up "neocon" and I believe most of the administration
was too.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Jarg]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
...
>
> The economy is down the toilet.


If 3-4% annual growth is "down the toilet" then most developed countries
would love to be there!


> The poor are getting poorer


Unfortunately the lower wage earners are always hit hardest by recession. I
have yet to hear of a solution to that which makes economic sense. The good
news is the poor of America are still well off by world standards.


.. All the best jobs
> are being sent overseas to pay off the corporations that have supported
Bush
> with big $$$$.


I have a good job, and I know plently of other people who have good jobs
and little risk of being outsourced. Also, you forget all the great jobs
that are being insourced because of Rebublican economic principles. The
United States is very competitive in the world economy and the envy of most
of the world.


>We have a record number of children in poverty without
> healthcare


We also have a record number of people, so that statement might be a bit
misleading. Incidentally most of those children qualify for free health
care in case you didn't know. Like most Americans, I am not convinced I
want the government in the health care business.


> And half the americans aren't sure that that they will have a job
> tomorrow.


So it's the government's responsibility to make people sure they will have a
job tomorrow comrade? Pretty much every country that has had a system where
employment was guaranteed (for example the assorted communist nations) was a
dismal economic failure and ended up switching to the capitalist model.


> The economy is only good for the very rich.


I'm not that rich, but I'm doing just fine thank you, as are most Americans.
Unemployment is low by historical standards, growth is good by historical
standards. We have one of the best economies on the planet!


>But the neocons were
> always out to support the rich so that is nothing new.


To whom are you referring?


And let's not even talk
> about the prescription medication fraud the neocons are pulling on the
> American people in favor the the theiving HMO's.


Oooh, theiving HMOs! How dramatic. If only we could nationalize those evil
capitalist businesses, eh comrade?!


> We have the best administration money can buy But that will all change in
> November.


I wish you would hold your breath waiting!

Jarg

>
>
> Arthur "The Sky is Falling" Kramer
> 344th BG 494th BS
> England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
> Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
> http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer
>

[BUFDRVR]

ArtKramr wrote:

>The economy is down the toilet.

No its not.

>All the best jobs
>are being sent overseas to pay off the corporations that have supported Bush
>with big $$$$.

You are confusing the Bush and Clinton administrations. Bush was govenor of
Texas when Clinton and the rest of the DNC signed and fully supported NAFTA,
now suddenly when the predictable happens you and the other short sighted
Democrats try to blame Bush.

>And half the americans aren't sure that that they will have a job
>tomorrow.

So you're claiming we're on the verge of 50% unemployment? Not by a long shot.
If half the employed U.S. population is concerned about their jobs its because
the DNC wants it that way.

>And let's not even talk
>about the prescription medication fraud the neocons are pulling on the
>American people in favor the the theiving HMO's.

HMOs were created by Hillary Clinton and the Democrats, if you have issue with
the job they're doing take it up with them.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

[Denyav]

>You are confusing the Bush and Clinton administrations. Bush was govenor of
>Texas when Clinton and the rest of the DNC signed and fully supported NAFTA,
>now suddenly when the predictable happens you and the other short sighted
>Democrats try to blame Bush.

As far as I remember only candidate that categorically rejected NAFTA was Ross
Perot,and both GOP and Democratic former Presidents Carter and Reagan supported
NAFTA during elections and called Perot,only candidate that opposed NAFTA "a
demagoge with very deep pockets".

[BUFDRVR]

Denyav wrote:

> both GOP and Democratic former Presidents Carter and Reagan supported
>NAFTA

Absolutely, NAFTA would not have passed had Republicans not supported
it...however the GOP provided the only descenting voices (albeit few) while the
Democrats fully supported it.

Bottom line; blaming Bush for the predictable results of NAFTA and other free
trade agreements begun during the Clinton years (while Bush was Gov. of Texas)
is absurd.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"