Re: bush: impossible to be AWOL (do vets give a sh!t)

[B2431]

>From: (Transition Zone)
>Date: 9/6/2004 8:21 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>"Herb Martin" > wrote in message
>...
>> "Transition Zone" > wrote in message
>>
>> Anytime you see the word "awol" in this context you KNOW
>> you are being lied to -- it is technically IMPOSSIBLE to be
>> awol from the Guard when not activated for Federal service.
>
>Bullcrud. It is possible. If Bush gets orders (written orders)
>to attend that physical and he doesn't show up, call or anything
>(as republicans do), then your A W O L .
>
>Deal with it.

That's not AWOL, it's either "failure to go" or "failure to obey." If he wasn't
on flying status all he had to do was point that out to the person issuing the
order and the appointment is cancelled. I had to do it twice after I was taken
off of flying status.

AWOL means absent without official leave. It's a duty status and has nothing to
do with missed appointments.

Deal with it.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: Righteous Nation
>Date: 9/6/2004 10:57 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>
>
>In article >,
> "BigRedWingsFan" > wrote:
>
>> "Transition Zone" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> : Thumper > wrote in message
>> >...
>> : > On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:31:33 GMT, "Herb Martin" >
>> : > wrote:
>> : >
>> : > >Anytime you see the word "awol" in this context you KNOW
>> : > >you are being lied to -- it is technically IMPOSSIBLE to be
>> : > >awol from the Guard when not activated for Federal service.
>> : >
>> : > Where was Bush then?
>> :
>> : "has not been observed".
>>
>> Is a far cry from AWOL. Too bad you never served or you would know that.
>>
>>
>
>"has not been observed" (at an ordered posting) = AWOL...at best.
>--
>
"Has not been observed" is the line used by his reporting official. All it
means is that Bush wasn't working for him.

When someone I was reporting on was TDY and I remained at home station I would
enter "not observed during this period" if I needed to account for the time.

You would know this if you had ever been in a supervisory or management
position and had to write performance reports.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: "BigRedWingsFan"
>Date: 9/6/2004 12:25 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"Righteous Nation" > wrote in message
...
>: In article >,
>: "BigRedWingsFan" > wrote:
>:
>: > "Transition Zone" > wrote in message
>: > om...
>: > : Thumper > wrote in message
>: > >...
>: > : > On Mon, 06 Sep 2004 00:31:33 GMT, "Herb Martin"
>
>: > : > wrote:
>: > : >
>: > : > >Anytime you see the word "awol" in this context you KNOW
>: > : > >you are being lied to -- it is technically IMPOSSIBLE to be
>: > : > >awol from the Guard when not activated for Federal service.
>: > : >
>: > : > Where was Bush then?
>: > :
>: > : "has not been observed".
>: >
>: > Is a far cry from AWOL. Too bad you never served or you would know
>that.
>: >
>: >
>:
>: "has not been observed" (at an ordered posting) = AWOL...at best.
>
>Since you haven't served you have no knowledge of what AWOL and desertion
>actually are so please leave this discussion to adults that have worn the
>uniform of this country.
>
>
Or who have knowledge of how the system works.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[B2431]

>From: Righteous Nation
>Date: 9/6/2004 10:48 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id:
>
>
>In article >,
> Fred J. McCall > wrote:
>
>> When are you people going to stop believing bull**** from Michael
>> Moore and actually look at the facts yourselves?
>
>Knowing the Guard was closed in the Spring of '68 and that Bush cheated
>to cut to the front of the waiting list and slide under a locked door to
>evade the honor of serving with 9.2 million actual Americans under arms
>during Vietnam has zero to do with a documentary showing Bush's command
>freeze-up/9/11-complicity at the Booker Elementary School in Florida.
>--
>

"Evade the honor of serving?" He DID serve, genius. The ANG is military.

If you had ever done research into the subject or actually served you would
know this.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Baldur" > wrote in message
news:5A4TQGNB38237.5475578704@anonymous...
>
> So we are agreed that George 'WMD' Bush is a cowardly shirker
> who is denigrating the service of decorated combat veterans like
> John McCain, Max Cleland, and John Kerry for political purposes.
>

No, none of that is agreed to because none of that is correct. Bush has in
no way denigrated the service of John McCain, Max Cleland, John Kerry, or
anyone else.

[B2431]

(Baldur)

>The only thing we're arguing is whether Bush should have been
>court-martialled for his dereliction.
>
OK, you lost the AWOL argument now you want to try dereliction of duty? In what
way was he derelict?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[chahta]

Dwight Stewart wrote:
> "BigRedWingsFan" wrote:
>
>>Since you haven't served you have
>>no knowledge of what AWOL and
>>desertion actually are so please leave
>>this discussion to adults that have
>>worn the uniform of this country.
>
>
>
> Okay, I've worn the "uniform of this country" and say you have no idea
> what you're talking about. A person in uniform is AWOL whenever that person
> is not where he/she is supposed to be. While in uniform, the same
> regulations apply to active duty, reserve, and guard.

You have never served in the National Guard, based on this statement!
You are dead WRONG by making thet statement. If you would do a little
research before mouthing off, you might gain a bit of credibility! PLONK

>
> AWOL is a non-judicial offense covered under Article 15 of the UCMJ, while
> desertion (including AWOL greater than 30 days) can be either a non-judicial
> (if uncontested) or judicial (if contested) offense under that same article.
> Punishments for AWOL can range from a written reprimand to loss of benefits,
> confinement for up to 90 days, loss of pay for up to 180 days, reduction in
> rank/grade, or even Chapter 13 discharge. Punishments for desertion can
> range from those associated with AWOL to disnonorable separation without
> pay/benefits or confinement up to life (during wartime).
>
> Stewart
>

[B2431]

>From: PM
>Date: 9/8/2004 7:46 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>On 8 Sep 2004 04:14:24 -0700, (WalterM140) wrote:
>
>>"Herb Martin" > wrote in message
>...
>>> "Transition Zone" > wrote in message
>>>
>>> Anytime you see the word "awol" in this context you KNOW
>>> you are being lied to -- it is technically IMPOSSIBLE to be
>>> awol from the Guard when not activated for Federal service.
>>
>>The research on http://www.awolbush.com shows that Bush skipped a
>>number of drills, was ordered to puntive active duty, and then
>>declared a deserter when he failed to appear.
>>
>>Walt
>
>and you are just another lying mother****er.


For someone who has claimed to have been in the military walt has proved time
and again he has no idea how the system works. Should I point out that
deserters tend to not get honourable discharges? He probably wouldn't
understand.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired