George Jr sent out of Texas by father as a 'drunken liability'

[WalterM140]

Gary Younge in New York
Friday September 3, 2004
The Guardian

The US president, George Bush, was transferred to the Alabama National
Guard during the Vietnam war because his drunken behaviour was a
political liability to his father in Texas, the wife of one of his
father's former confidants revealed yesterday.
Linda Allison told the political website Salon.com that throughout the
time Mr Bush was in Alabama she never saw him in uniform and had no
idea he was supposed to be in the National Guard.

"Georgie was raising a lot of hell in Houston, getting in trouble and
embarrassing the family and they just really wanted to get him out of
Houston." Asked if she had ever seen him in uniform Mrs Allison said:
"Good Lord, no. I had no idea the National Guard was involved in his
life."

Mrs Allison is the wife of the late Jimmy Allison, a former political
consultant and newspaper owner from Midland, Texas and one time
confidant of the Bush family. Motivated by pride in her husband and
pique at the manner in which the Bush family discarded him once they
believed he was no longer useful, the interview is the first she has
ever given.

On Sunday the former lieutenant governor of Texas Ben Barnes will
admit on the CBS primetime news programme 60 Minutes that he pulled
strings to enrol Mr Bush in a unit of the Texas National Guard known
as the Champagne Unit, because it had so many sons of prominent Texas
politicians and businessmen.

Mrs Allison said that in 1972 her husband received a call from Mr
Bush's father asking whether he could find a place for his son on a
Senate campaign he was managing in Alabama. Mr Bush Sr was the US
ambassador to the UN at the time and his son's drunken and
occasionally loutish behaviour was becoming an embarrassment.

Mr Allison agreed to take the errant Bush son as his deputy in a
Senate campaign to elect the Alabama Republican Winton "Red" Blount.
Once he had an official reason to be in Alabama, Mr Bush Jr
transferred from the Texas National Guard to its Alabama counterpart,
although beyond one dental examination there is no proof that he
showed up for any service even though it was only a part-time posting.
Mr Bush was subsequently given an honourable discharge.

Most involved in the Senate campaign recall Mr Bush Jr turning up
late, boasting about how much alcohol he had drunk the night before
and then going home early. "After about a month I asked Jimmy what was
Georgie's job, because I could never figure it out," recalled Mrs
Allison. "I never saw him do anything."

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[ArtKramr]

>Subject: George Jr sent out of Texas by father as a 'drunken liability'
>From: (WalterM140)
>Date: 9/7/2004 9:18 A

>te, boasting about how much alcohol he had drunk the night before
>and then going home early. "After about a month I asked Jimmy what was
>Georgie's job, because I could never figure it out," recalled Mrs
>Allison. "I never saw him do anything."

He still does nothing but now it is hurting our country.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Krztalizer]

>
>> Linda Allison told the political website Salon.com that throughout the
>> time Mr Bush was in Alabama she never saw him in uniform and had no
>> idea he was supposed to be in the National Guard.
>
> So.
> Unless you're drilling there's no cause to be in uniform.

Not to jump into the flames here, but this wasn't just an old sailor serving
out his reserve decades, this was a young '**** hot' fighter pilot. Have you
ever known one that didn't manage to tell you what he was within the first five
minutes you knew him??

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

[Ed Rasimus]

On 07 Sep 2004 23:38:57 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:

>>
>>> Linda Allison told the political website Salon.com that throughout the
>>> time Mr Bush was in Alabama she never saw him in uniform and had no
>>> idea he was supposed to be in the National Guard.
>>
>> So.
>> Unless you're drilling there's no cause to be in uniform.
>
>Not to jump into the flames here, but this wasn't just an old sailor serving
>out his reserve decades, this was a young '**** hot' fighter pilot. Have you
>ever known one that didn't manage to tell you what he was within the first five
>minutes you knew him??
>
>v/r
>Gordon

It took you five minutes?

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
Both from Smithsonian Books
***www.thunderchief.org

[Bob Coe]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote
> On 07 Sep 2004 23:38:57 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:
>>>> Linda Allison told the political website Salon.com that throughout the
>>>> time Mr Bush was in Alabama she never saw him in uniform and had no
>>>> idea he was supposed to be in the National Guard.
>>>
>>> So.
>>> Unless you're drilling there's no cause to be in uniform.
>>
>>Not to jump into the flames here, but this wasn't just an old sailor serving
>>out his reserve decades, this was a young '**** hot' fighter pilot. Have you
>>ever known one that didn't manage to tell you what he was within the first five
>>minutes you knew him??
>
> It took you five minutes?

I once witnessed five enlisted crew-dogs in flight suits pick-up chicks
claiming to be "fighter" pilots (five minutes +/- tops) at a Red Flag motel.
I felt kind of dirty just watching :-)

Maybe she was homely looking??

[Krztalizer]

>>Not to jump into the flames here, but this wasn't just an old sailor serving
>>out his reserve decades, this was a young '**** hot' fighter pilot. Have
>you
>>ever known one that didn't manage to tell you what he was within the first
>five
>>minutes you knew him??
>>
>>v/r
>>Gordon
>
>It took you five minutes?
>
>Ed Rasimus

LOL

"No ma'am, we aren't fighter pilots. We're the guys that fighter pilots call
when they are in deep trouble."

Good for a laugh anyway! :))
v/r
Gordon

[Krztalizer]

>
>>>Not to jump into the flames here, but this wasn't just an old sailor
>serving
>>>out his reserve decades, this was a young '**** hot' fighter pilot. Have
>you
>>>ever known one that didn't manage to tell you what he was within the first
>five
>>>minutes you knew him??
>>
>> It took you five minutes?
>
>I once witnessed five enlisted crew-dogs in flight suits pick-up chicks
>claiming to be "fighter" pilots (five minutes +/- tops) at a Red Flag motel.
>I felt kind of dirty just watching :-)

A former shipmate of mine, oh, we'll call him "AW3 Jose Melendez", used to pick
up chicks around San Diego using that BS.

I was on a first date with a lady; at the bar where we were to meet, she was
accompanied by several friends. One of the friends was a young woman that
looked waaaay down her nose at me, dressed as I was in poster-perfect dress
blues. After a couple rather uncalled-for barbs, she announced she'd never
date an enlisted man - she was going out with a "rescue pilot". Sensing the
obvious, I told her, "You know, the SAR community here in San Diego is not that
large - I probably know your guy." "I doubt it. He's an *officer* (emphasis
hers)."

By then, I was about full of her... "Well, then, humor me -" to which she
replied, "You wouldn't know Jose --" and I sorta yelled out "JOSE MELENDEZ???",
which was followed by several jaws smacking the floor.

"How could you know his last name?" she asked with horror. I snickered, "How
many Joses do you think we have riding helicopters? He rides in the BACK, with
ME. And I have out-ranked him since the day he showed up at North Island!" I
laughed, "Not only are you *not* dating an officer, Jose will never in his life
be a pilot of anything. That's rich!"

The rest of the date was every bit as enjoyable. :)

The following Monday was a lot of fun for me, burning Hoser to the ground at
muster. I asked the shop of about 15 aircrewmen if we had any "Rescue Pilots"
among us, which brought 15 'no's. I asked, "What about you, Hoser? Aren't you
a Rescue Pilot?" which got him a bit angry - then I told the whole shop what he
was doing in order to get laid. "Telling people you are a pilot is bad taste;
telling them you are an officer is 1) stupid, 2) illegal, and 3) *low class*."
The Chief had fun with him for the next couple of weeks; we eventually let him
wiggle out of it.

Other than this mythical "Jose Melendez", I never encountered an aircrewman
pretending to be a pilot. I wouldn't have taken it very well. Oddly, I was in
a situation once, where I guess I did this myself, although I certainly wasn't
on the prowl.

Marine Major Tim Hill from MAWTS1 at Yuma was in the Los Alamos Ops shack with
me and a gunship ferry crew, and the T-39 crew I was with. When Yeager came
in, Major Hill told me to go say hello and I bowed out, saying I thought the
General wasn't too fond of "enlisted scum". Major Hill, without a hesitation,
yanked off a Marine 2LT's velcro namebadge and stuck it on my flightsuit. I
don't know who was more horrified - the Marine 2LT or me! I got Yeager to sign
a Porsche repair shop business card but when I reached out to take the signed
business card, Yeager wouldn't let go of it! I was about to **** myself -
Yeager grumbled, "You ain't no Marine..." and then after a pause, let me take
the card (still got it), a lot closer to ****ting myself. I withdrew with
alacrity, and fled into the rain outside to wait for a fuel truck. I left the
namebadge on the seat where the 2LT was sitting and he silently returned my
own.

Anyone who hasn't met Chuck Yeager before, trust me - he can be quite
intimidating under the wrong circumstances.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

[Ed Rasimus]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 18:48:15 -0500, "Bob Coe" > wrote:

>"Ed Rasimus" > wrote
>> On 07 Sep 2004 23:38:57 GMT, (Krztalizer) wrote:
>>>>> Linda Allison told the political website Salon.com that throughout the
>>>>> time Mr Bush was in Alabama she never saw him in uniform and had no
>>>>> idea he was supposed to be in the National Guard.
>>>>
>>>> So.
>>>> Unless you're drilling there's no cause to be in uniform.
>>>
>>>Not to jump into the flames here, but this wasn't just an old sailor serving
>>>out his reserve decades, this was a young '**** hot' fighter pilot. Have you
>>>ever known one that didn't manage to tell you what he was within the first five
>>>minutes you knew him??
>>
>> It took you five minutes?
>
>I once witnessed five enlisted crew-dogs in flight suits pick-up chicks
>claiming to be "fighter" pilots (five minutes +/- tops) at a Red Flag motel.
>I felt kind of dirty just watching :-)
>
>Maybe she was homely looking??

And, I hit the ground running one weekend at Nellis. Got the shave,
shower, and splash of "Sure-f***" so I smelled good. Then went to the
bar on Friday night. Met a sweet thing, bought her a few drinks and
then put the "let's go to dinner" move on her. She said, "no"--she
only goes out with fighter pilots and I couldn't be one because I
wasn't in a goat bag.

So much for good grooming points.


>

Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
Both from Smithsonian Books
***www.thunderchief.org

[Robey Price]

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Ed Rasimus
confessed the following:

>And, I hit the ground running one weekend at Nellis. Got the shave,
>shower, and splash of "Sure-f***" so I smelled good. Then went to the
>bar on Friday night. ...[snip] I couldn't be one because I
>wasn't in a goat bag.

Let me get this straight...you went to the Nellis O-Club bar on a
friday night in civvies? Eewwww...that's just not right. Judgement:
None noted.

Hey, you could have shown her your big ole Seiko watch.

Robey

[Ed Rasimus]

On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 03:44:49 GMT, Robey Price >
wrote:

>After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Ed Rasimus
>confessed the following:
>
>>And, I hit the ground running one weekend at Nellis. Got the shave,
>>shower, and splash of "Sure-f***" so I smelled good. Then went to the
>>bar on Friday night. ...[snip] I couldn't be one because I
>>wasn't in a goat bag.
>
>Let me get this straight...you went to the Nellis O-Club bar on a
>friday night in civvies? Eewwww...that's just not right. Judgement:
>None noted.

I had developed a plan for completing the action--sort of like how to
"win the peace" (pun intended). I knew, of course, that all the local
guys and Red Flag TDYers would be there in goat bags, but the complete
plan was to enter the merge, spot the target and then be able to drive
her out of the fur-ball to a one-on-one.

Had there been a requirement at some point in the engagement to say,
"wait right here while I go change before I take you someplace
special" the bogey would have escaped over the horizon or been
surrounded by others seeking to claim an easy kill.
>
>Hey, you could have shown her your big ole Seiko watch.

I did display the GMT-Master as well as the 2-baht chain and authentic
Buddha.



Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
Both from Smithsonian Books
***www.thunderchief.org

[OXMORON1]

Robey Price wrote:
>>Let me get this straight...you went to the Nellis O-Club bar on a
>>friday night in civvies? Eewwww...that's just not right. Judgement:
>>None noted.

Ed R came back with a detailed explanation of his mission planning, personal
prep including a description of the BIG PILOT watch and decorative jewelry.

We've gone over this before and it boils down to a couple of
possibilities...most obvious, Ed was wearing an "Eau de Toilette" sold over the
counter at White Front, possible alternate.....halitosis, another
possibility.....He was mistaken for a bombadier, no not a competent Wizzo or an
itinerate lost Nav, but a genuine bombadier!

Rick
MFE

[Ed Rasimus]

On 08 Sep 2004 16:36:06 GMT, (OXMORON1) wrote:

>Robey Price wrote:
>>>Let me get this straight...you went to the Nellis O-Club bar on a
>>>friday night in civvies? Eewwww...that's just not right. Judgement:
>>>None noted.
>
>Ed R came back with a detailed explanation of his mission planning, personal
>prep including a description of the BIG PILOT watch and decorative jewelry.
>
>We've gone over this before and it boils down to a couple of
>possibilities...most obvious, Ed was wearing an "Eau de Toilette" sold over the
>counter at White Front, possible alternate.....halitosis, another
>possibility.....He was mistaken for a bombadier, no not a competent Wizzo or an
>itinerate lost Nav, but a genuine bombadier!
>
>Rick
>MFE

Cruel! Simply cruel.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
"Phantom Flights, Bangkok Nights"
Both from Smithsonian Books
***www.thunderchief.org

[OXMORON1]

In discussion of Ed's prestrike planning, I uttered.....
>another
>>possibility.....He was mistaken for a bombadier, no not a competent Wizzo or
>an
>>itinerate lost Nav, but a genuine bombadier!

Ed objected:
>Cruel! Simply cruel.

You are correct Sir, that was a bit over the top. I should have said a Non B-26
Bombadier. No one would have mistaken you for a B-26 Bombadier. Pilot or not,
your ego isn't that BIG and you do offer a little respect for others.

Rick

[B2431]

>From: (OXMORON1)
>Date: 9/8/2004 12:09 PM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In discussion of Ed's prestrike planning, I uttered.....
>>another
>>>possibility.....He was mistaken for a bombadier, no not a competent Wizzo
>or
>>an
>>>itinerate lost Nav, but a genuine bombadier!
>
>Ed objected:
>>Cruel! Simply cruel.
>
>You are correct Sir, that was a bit over the top. I should have said a Non
>B-26
>Bombadier. No one would have mistaken you for a B-26 Bombadier. Pilot or not,
>your ego isn't that BIG and you do offer a little respect for others.
>
>Rick

Ed would not have qualified as a B-26 bombardier since he knows who is father
is.

Dan, U.S Air Force, retired

[Krztalizer]

>
>>Hey, you could have shown her your big ole Seiko watch.

I always thought we were Required By Law to wear the automatic Seiko Diver; big
enough to be used as a signalling device, or to break a jaw with a backhand.
Glow in the dark, half-pound of semi-accurate timekeeping.

[Michael Wise]

In article >,
(Krztalizer) wrote:

> >
> >>Hey, you could have shown her your big ole Seiko watch.
>
> I always thought we were Required By Law to wear the automatic Seiko Diver;
> big
> enough to be used as a signalling device, or to break a jaw with a backhand.
> Glow in the dark, half-pound of semi-accurate timekeeping.


Heh, I think every SAR swimmer in the breadloaf hangars at NASNI wore
one of those (still have mine). Looked like a darn sun dial on my small
wrist...but when scuba diving, you couldn't ask for a better watch.


--Mike

[Krztalizer]

>
>> I always thought we were Required By Law to wear the automatic Seiko Diver;
>
>> big
>> enough to be used as a signalling device, or to break a jaw with a
>backhand.
>> Glow in the dark, half-pound of semi-accurate timekeeping.
>
>
>Heh, I think every SAR swimmer in the breadloaf hangars at NASNI wore
>one of those (still have mine). Looked like a darn sun dial on my small
>wrist...but when scuba diving, you couldn't ask for a better watch.

Agreed, Mike - and I still have mine too, still keeping time the way it always
has - when it wants to.

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.