Re: BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT

[WalterM140]

>BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT
>__________________

At least one picture exists that shows Bush wearing ribbons that don't appear
on his discharge.

Walt

[Bob Escher]

No but according to today's news his commanders
did it all for him.
He didn't have to do a thing according to the reports

Bob E




"Ian MacLure" > wrote in message
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> wrote in
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> > BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT
>
> He served hono(u)rably and failed to consort with the enemy or
> commit treason while an officer.
> He has his National Defence Service Medal and
> Expert Marksman's ribbon.
> Oh, and he got to wear his unit's citation ribbon while he
> was attached.
> Its not like he manufactured bogus Purple Hearts or falsified
> write ups for medals awarded for valo(ur) unlike someone we
> could mention.
>
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[Merlin Dorfman]

In sci.military.naval Ian MacLure > wrote:
> wrote in
> :

>> BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT

> He served hono(u)rably and failed to consort with the enemy or
> commit treason while an officer.
> He has his National Defence Service Medal and
> Expert Marksman's ribbon.
> Oh, and he got to wear his unit's citation ribbon while he
> was attached.
> Its not like he manufactured bogus Purple Hearts or falsified
> write ups for medals awarded for valo(ur) unlike someone we
> could mention.

Four years ago, the draft-dodger Bush was running against
somebody who volunteered for the Army and was on the ground in
Vietnam, albeit in a non-combat role. Nevertheless he managed
to make himself look like the hero and the volunteer look like
a coward.
You would think he would be put off this year by the
prospect of running against somebody who volunteered for the
Navy, served a full non-combat tour, then volunteered for
another tour and for combat, and was awarded a Silver Star, a
Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. But no, he is not fazed
a bit, and is trying to do it again...and apparently having
some success.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Merlin Dorfman" > wrote in message
...
>
> Four years ago, the draft-dodger Bush was running against
> somebody who volunteered for the Army and was on the ground in
> Vietnam, albeit in a non-combat role. Nevertheless he managed
> to make himself look like the hero and the volunteer look like
> a coward.
>

He did? Odd, I don't recall him doing that. How'd he do it?

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT
>From: Merlin Dorfman
>Date: 9/9/2004 9:34 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In sci.military.naval Ian MacLure > wrote:
>> wrote in
>> :
>
>>> BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT
>
>> He served hono(u)rably and failed to consort with the enemy or
>> commit treason while an officer.
>> He has his National Defence Service Medal and
>> Expert Marksman's ribbon.
>> Oh, and he got to wear his unit's citation ribbon while he
>> was attached.
>> Its not like he manufactured bogus Purple Hearts or falsified
>> write ups for medals awarded for valo(ur) unlike someone we
>> could mention.
>
> Four years ago, the draft-dodger Bush was running against
>somebody who volunteered for the Army and was on the ground in
>Vietnam, albeit in a non-combat role. Nevertheless he managed
>to make himself look like the hero and the volunteer look like
>a coward.

It's the NEOCON way.


> You would think he would be put off this year by the
>prospect of running against somebody who volunteered for the
>Navy, served a full non-combat tour, then volunteered for
>another tour and for combat, and was awarded a Silver Star, a
>Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. But no, he is not fazed
>a bit, and is trying to do it again...and apparently having
>some success.
>

Kerry will win in the end. Truth will out.





Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Kevin Brooks]

"Merlin Dorfman" > wrote in message
...
> In sci.military.naval Ian MacLure > wrote:
> > wrote in
> > :
>
> >> BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT
>
> > He served hono(u)rably and failed to consort with the enemy or
> > commit treason while an officer.
> > He has his National Defence Service Medal and
> > Expert Marksman's ribbon.
> > Oh, and he got to wear his unit's citation ribbon while he
> > was attached.
> > Its not like he manufactured bogus Purple Hearts or falsified
> > write ups for medals awarded for valo(ur) unlike someone we
> > could mention.
>
> Four years ago, the draft-dodger Bush was running against
> somebody who volunteered for the Army and was on the ground in
> Vietnam, albeit in a non-combat role. Nevertheless he managed
> to make himself look like the hero and the volunteer look like
> a coward.
> You would think he would be put off this year by the
> prospect of running against somebody who volunteered for the
> Navy, served a full non-combat tour, then volunteered for
> another tour and for combat,

No, he did NOT volunteer for combat, he made that patently clear in a
previous book he contributed to: "I didn't really want to get involved in
the war," Kerry said in a little-noticed contribution to a book of Vietnam
reminiscences published in 1986. "When I signed up for the swift boats, they
had very little to do with the war. They were engaged in coastal patrolling
and that's what I thought I was going to be doing."

http://www.boston.com/globe/nation/packages/kerry/061603.shtml

Unfortunately for John, the mission of the boats changed about the time he
arrived in country--can you say "oops"? Which may explain his desire to
gather as many Purple Hearts for questionable wounds as fast as he could get
them...

and was awarded a Silver Star, a
> Bronze Star,

Oddly enough, for some strange reason a second certificate, differing in
terms of wording from the original one, was cut for the BS and allegedly
signed by John Lehman as SecNav some ten or twelve years after Kerry
received it--something Lehman now says is suspicious because he does not
recall signing such a document (and Lehman did not serve during a period
where he would have been called upon to sign very many BS certificates).

> and three Purple Hearts.

But by his own admission in his journal kept during his tour, the first PH
was improperly awarded--on 11 Dec, nine days *after* he supposedly was
wounded and wrote himself up for his first PH, he recorded that up until
that time he had NOT been fired at by the enemy. That was his admission *at
the time*--now he says otherwise. Curious, huh?

But no, he is not fazed
> a bit, and is trying to do it again...and apparently having
> some success.

He does not have to DO anything--Kerry's *own* words are sinking him. He
made a BIG mistake in writing that earlier contribution for the collective
Vietnam book that yielded the quote I gave you above, and then he really
screwed up by giving Brinkely his journals when he tasked him with writing
"Tour of Duty". His OWN words are what is making him out ot be the liar that
he is, not those of Bush, and not those of the SBVT.

Brooks

>

[Buck]

A small correction.

'Assigned', not "attached".

Buck


"Ian MacLure" > wrote in message
...
> wrote in
> :
>
>> BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT
>
> He served hono(u)rably and failed to consort with the enemy or
> commit treason while an officer.
> He has his National Defence Service Medal and
> Expert Marksman's ribbon.
> Oh, and he got to wear his unit's citation ribbon while he
> was attached.
> Its not like he manufactured bogus Purple Hearts or falsified
> write ups for medals awarded for valo(ur) unlike someone we
> could mention.
>
> IBM
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[Buck]

Hey Merlin.

Before you disappear forever, it was Al Gore who told the lies in Vanity
Fair magazine, then got tripped up by them years later.

Bush said NOTHING about it.

Thanks for playing.

PLONK!!


"Merlin Dorfman" > wrote in message
...
> In sci.military.naval Ian MacLure > wrote:
>> wrote in
>> :
>
>>> BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT
>
>> He served hono(u)rably and failed to consort with the enemy or
>> commit treason while an officer.
>> He has his National Defence Service Medal and
>> Expert Marksman's ribbon.
>> Oh, and he got to wear his unit's citation ribbon while he
>> was attached.
>> Its not like he manufactured bogus Purple Hearts or falsified
>> write ups for medals awarded for valo(ur) unlike someone we
>> could mention.
>
> Four years ago, the draft-dodger Bush was running against
> somebody who volunteered for the Army and was on the ground in
> Vietnam, albeit in a non-combat role. Nevertheless he managed
> to make himself look like the hero and the volunteer look like
> a coward.
> You would think he would be put off this year by the
> prospect of running against somebody who volunteered for the
> Navy, served a full non-combat tour, then volunteered for
> another tour and for combat, and was awarded a Silver Star, a
> Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. But no, he is not fazed
> a bit, and is trying to do it again...and apparently having
> some success.
>

[B2431]

>From: (ArtKramr)
>Date: 9/9/2004 11:46 AM Central Daylight Time

<snip>

>
>It's the NEOCON way.

You have been asked many times to define "neocon." Why do you refuse to do so?
Do you have a definition?

>
>> You would think he would be put off this year by the
>>prospect of running against somebody who volunteered for the
>>Navy, served a full non-combat tour, then volunteered for
>>another tour and for combat, and was awarded a Silver Star, a
>>Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. But no, he is not fazed
>>a bit, and is trying to do it again...and apparently having
>>some success.
>>
>
>Kerry will win in the end. Truth will out.

Don't you think it's about time you and all the other kerry supporters actually
started to tell us what kerry has done in his political life since the mid
1970s? No one seems to know what he stands for. Anytime the question comes up
you kerry supporters bring up his medals, combat experience and you bash Bush.

The only way kerry can win is if he gets "enough anyone but Bush" votes since
he insists on not discussing on anything besides his military career and how
terrible Bush is.
>
>Arthur Kramer

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"B2431" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>It's the NEOCON way.
>>
>
> You have been asked many times to define "neocon." Why do you
> refuse to do so?
>

It's because he doesn't know.

[Kevin Brooks]

"ian maclure" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 07:12:47 -0500, Bob Escher wrote:
>
> > No but according to today's news his commanders
> > did it all for him.
> > He didn't have to do a thing according to the reports
>
> Not been paying close attention have we.
> Said reports have been outed as forgeries.
>
>
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/?entry=12526_Bush_Guard_Documents-_Forged
> http://www.warbirdforum.com/bushf102.htm
>
> Comes the day of reckoning on Nov 3 there's gonna be a few very
> sorry Dhimmicrips.

You know, at first I thought the forgery bit was maybe just sourgrapes, but
after reading the alleged document, you gotta ask--who the heck really
thinks such a document would have ended up in Bush's own military records
anyway? Memos-for-record titled "CYA" do NOT end up in some guys 201 file.
Coupled with the interesting fact that the document CBS put out, which
supposedly dated from 1972 and would have at best been done up on an IBM
Selectric, matches *exactly* the same document ginned up using MS Word, the
forgery case does indeed seem realistic. Whatcha make a bet the big media
ignores this (having already trumpeted the documents), just like they are
trying to ignore Kerry's own contradictory Vietnam stories versus his own
journal entries from that time period?

Brooks

>
> IBM
>

[Pete]

"Merlin Dorfman" > wrote

> Four years ago, the draft-dodger Bush was running against
> somebody who volunteered for the Army and was on the ground in
> Vietnam, albeit in a non-combat role. Nevertheless he managed
> to make himself look like the hero and the volunteer look like
> a coward.

Draft-doger.
In the above context, "draft-doger" would appear to be anyone who was not
'drafted'.
Bush (TX ANG - fighter pilot)
Gore (Army volunteer - journalist?)
Kerry (Naval Reserve - eventually a SB captain)
Clinton (none - actively avoided being drafted or serving in any way)

Clinton seems to be the only one who fits the 'draft-dodger' moniker.

How is volunteering for the Air Guard different from volunteering for the
Navy Reserve?

2/3 of the military during the Vietnam era did not see SEA. And, Art K's
screechings notwithstanding, you usually do not get to choose where you go.

Pete

[Steve Hix]

In article .net>,
"Steven P. McNicoll" > wrote:

> "B2431" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>It's the NEOCON way.
> >>
> >
> > You have been asked many times to define "neocon." Why do you
> > refuse to do so?
> >
>
> It's because he doesn't know.

Perhaps he can't spell "poopyhead"? It carries about the same meaning in
his posts.

[Buck]

"ian maclure" > wrote in message
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> On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 18:01:27 +0000, Buck wrote:
>
>> A small correction.
>>
>> 'Assigned', not "attached".
>
> Ooops, my bad....

A small, but important, distinction.

Buck


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[Buck]

"Pete" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Merlin Dorfman" > wrote
>
>> Four years ago, the draft-dodger Bush was running against
>> somebody who volunteered for the Army and was on the ground in
>> Vietnam, albeit in a non-combat role. Nevertheless he managed
>> to make himself look like the hero and the volunteer look like
>> a coward.
>
> Draft-doger.
> In the above context, "draft-doger" would appear to be anyone who was not
> 'drafted'.
> Bush (TX ANG - fighter pilot)
> Gore (Army volunteer - journalist?)
> Kerry (Naval Reserve - eventually a SB captain)
> Clinton (none - actively avoided being drafted or serving in any way)
>
> Clinton seems to be the only one who fits the 'draft-dodger' moniker.
>
> How is volunteering for the Air Guard different from volunteering for the
> Navy Reserve?
>
> 2/3 of the military during the Vietnam era did not see SEA. And, Art K's
> screechings notwithstanding, you usually do not get to choose where you
> go.
>
> Pete


Interestingly enough, Viet Nam is/was the defining event of our (well, MY!)
generation. EVERYBODY thinks, talks, and argues about it.

But of those eligible by virtue of sex and age, only EIGHT PERCENT got up
close and personal with the VC/NVA!

Buck

[Theecmo]

Please provide a link when making a charge like this otherwise it's no more
than unsubstantiated blather, of which there is more than enough in this
newsgroup already.
The gross point here though is simple...if Kerry's DD-214, Honorable
Discharge and "official" medal citations are proof positive of his exploits
because they are "official" Navy documents, then Bush's DD-214 and Honorable
Discharge are equally proof positive of his service. Simple as that.
Now, can we leave what happened 30 years ago behind and move on with the
real issues facing this country? PLEASE!



"WalterM140" > wrote in message
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> >BUSH SERVED HONORABLY AND HE'S GOT THE MEDALS TO PROVE IT
> >__________________
>
> At least one picture exists that shows Bush wearing ribbons that don't
appear
> on his discharge.
>
> Walt




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