Last night on 60 minutes: Bush used influence to avoid Nam

[ArtKramr]

It's all out now. Bush used influence to avoid combat.Well no one says a
president needs courage. (sigh)


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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> It's all out now. Bush used influence to avoid combat. Well no one says a
> president needs courage. (sigh)
>

That precedent was set in 1992.

[Jarg]

"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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> Blah blah blah

As this list shows, nearly half of the presidents did not serve in a war,
including FDR and Thomas Jefferson.

Jarg

Presidents who served in wars
a.. George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during the
American Revolution.
b.. James Monroe - served in American Revolution
c.. Andrew Jackson - American Revolution, War of 1812, First Seminole War
d.. William Henry Harrison - Indian wars in the NW territory, War of 1812
e.. John Tyler - War of 1812
f.. Zachary Taylor - War of 1812, Black Hawk, Second Seminole, and Mexican
wars
g.. Franklin Pierce - Mexican War
h.. James Buchanan - War of 1812
i.. Abraham Lincoln - Black Hawk War
j.. Andrew Johnson - Civil War
k.. Ulysses Grant - Mexican War, Civil War
l.. Rutherford Hayes - Civil War
m.. James Garfield - Civil War
n.. Chester Arthur - Civil War
o.. Benjamin Harrison - Civil War
p.. William McKinley - Civil War
q.. Theodore Roosevelt - Spanish-American War
r.. Harry Truman - WWI
s.. Dwight Eisenhower - WWII General
t.. John Kennedy - WWII
u.. Lyndon Johnson - WWII
v.. Richard Nixon - WWII
w.. Gerald Ford - WWII
x.. George Bush - WWII
Presidents who were in the military but who saw no action
a.. James Madison
b.. James Polk
c.. Millard Fillmore
d.. Jimmy Carter
e.. Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
f.. George W. Bush

Presidents with no military experience
a.. John Adams
b.. Thomas Jefferson
c.. John Quincy Adams
d.. Martin Van Buren
e.. Grover Cleveland
f.. William Taft
g.. Woodrow Wilson
h.. Warren Harding
i.. Calvin Coolidge
j.. Herbert Hoover
k.. Franklin Roosevelt
l.. Bill Clinton

[Kevin Brooks]

"Jarg" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Blah blah blah
>
> As this list shows, nearly half of the presidents did not serve in a war,
> including FDR and Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Jarg
>
> Presidents who served in wars
> a.. George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during
the
> American Revolution.
> b.. James Monroe - served in American Revolution
> c.. Andrew Jackson - American Revolution, War of 1812, First Seminole
War
> d.. William Henry Harrison - Indian wars in the NW territory, War of
1812
> e.. John Tyler - War of 1812
> f.. Zachary Taylor - War of 1812, Black Hawk, Second Seminole, and
Mexican
> wars
> g.. Franklin Pierce - Mexican War
> h.. James Buchanan - War of 1812
> i.. Abraham Lincoln - Black Hawk War
> j.. Andrew Johnson - Civil War
> k.. Ulysses Grant - Mexican War, Civil War
> l.. Rutherford Hayes - Civil War
> m.. James Garfield - Civil War
> n.. Chester Arthur - Civil War
> o.. Benjamin Harrison - Civil War
> p.. William McKinley - Civil War
> q.. Theodore Roosevelt - Spanish-American War
> r.. Harry Truman - WWI
> s.. Dwight Eisenhower - WWII General
> t.. John Kennedy - WWII
> u.. Lyndon Johnson - WWII
> v.. Richard Nixon - WWII
> w.. Gerald Ford - WWII
> x.. George Bush - WWII

Putting LBJ in the above list is sort of a sad joke.

Brooks

> Presidents who were in the military but who saw no action
> a.. James Madison
> b.. James Polk
> c.. Millard Fillmore
> d.. Jimmy Carter
> e.. Ronald Reagan - kept out of combat due to bad eyesight
> f.. George W. Bush
>
> Presidents with no military experience
> a.. John Adams
> b.. Thomas Jefferson
> c.. John Quincy Adams
> d.. Martin Van Buren
> e.. Grover Cleveland
> f.. William Taft
> g.. Woodrow Wilson
> h.. Warren Harding
> i.. Calvin Coolidge
> j.. Herbert Hoover
> k.. Franklin Roosevelt
> l.. Bill Clinton
>
>

[Jarg]

"Kevin Brooks" > wrote in message
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>
>
> Putting LBJ in the above list is sort of a sad joke.
>

There was no judgement included about the quality of the service!

Jarg

[B2431]

>From: "Jarg"
>Date: 9/9/2004 11:31 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>
>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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>> Blah blah blah
>
>As this list shows, nearly half of the presidents did not serve in a war,
>including FDR and Thomas Jefferson.
>
>Jarg

<nsipped> list

There you go introducing facts again. Now art will have to ask you about your
combat experience, what you flew and he will call you a wannabe and a coward.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[ArtKramr]

>Subject: Re: Nobody cares what you think.
>From: (B2431)
>Date: 9/9/2004 11:29 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>>From: "Jarg"
>>Date: 9/9/2004 11:31 AM Central Daylight Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>
>>"ArtKramr" > wrote in message
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>>> Blah blah blah
>>
>>As this list shows, nearly half of the presidents did not serve in a war,
>>including FDR and Thomas Jefferson.
>>
>>Jarg
>
><nsipped> list
>
>There you go introducing facts again. Now art will have to ask you about your
>combat experience, what you flew and he will call you a wannabe and a coward.
>
>Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired
>


Thank you. You just saved me a post.Keep up the good work.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

[Joe Osman]

"Jarg" > wrote in message
. com...
>
> "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Blah blah blah
>
> As this list shows, nearly half of the presidents did not serve in a war,
> including FDR and Thomas Jefferson.
>
> Jarg
>
> Presidents who served in wars
> a.. George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during
the
> American Revolution.
>
<snip>

George Washington was also the Commander in Chief of the Provisional or
National Army raised during the Quasi-War with France. This was after he was
president.

Joe




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[John Keeney]

"Joe Osman" > wrote in message
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>
> "Jarg" > wrote in message
> . com...
> >
> > "ArtKramr" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Blah blah blah
> >
> > As this list shows, nearly half of the presidents did not serve in a
war,
> > including FDR and Thomas Jefferson.
> >
> > Jarg
> >
> > Presidents who served in wars
> > a.. George Washington - Commander in Chief of Continental Army during
> the
> > American Revolution.
> >
> <snip>
>
> George Washington was also the Commander in Chief of the Provisional or
> National Army raised during the Quasi-War with France. This was after he
was
> president.

Also he led a group that may well have fired the opening shots in
the French and Indian War as a British subject.