MiG-29 crash on take off

[Iwan Bogels]

Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well, look
for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.

Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to be
material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.

For those who are interested, we are collecting aviation mishap, accident
and crash video footage for personal use. If you have another video clip for
us, or if you can point us in the right direction on where to find it, we
would appreciate to hear from you. Our address is .

Aviation minded greetings,

Iwan

[Dave Kearton]

"Iwan Bogels" > wrote in message
...
| Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
| waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well, look
| for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.
|
| Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to
be
| material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.
|
| For those who are interested, we are collecting aviation mishap, accident
| and crash video footage for personal use. If you have another video clip
for
| us, or if you can point us in the right direction on where to find it, we
| would appreciate to hear from you. Our address is .
|
| Aviation minded greetings,
|
| Iwan




I wonder if the ejection seat failed as well ......


....hardly seems like a MiG demo without firing the bang seat.






--

Cheers


Dave Kearton

[Iwan Bogels]

Hi Dave,

It seems to me that he just climbed out, as you can see the opened canopy at
the end (not blown off by the ejection).

Funny video though....

Cheers,
Iwan


"Dave Kearton" > schreef in
bericht ...
> "Iwan Bogels" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
> | waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well,
look
> | for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.
> |
> | Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to
> be
> | material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.
> |
> | For those who are interested, we are collecting aviation mishap,
accident
> | and crash video footage for personal use. If you have another video clip
> for
> | us, or if you can point us in the right direction on where to find it,
we
> | would appreciate to hear from you. Our address is .
> |
> | Aviation minded greetings,
> |
> | Iwan
>
>
>
>
> I wonder if the ejection seat failed as well ......
>
>
> ....hardly seems like a MiG demo without firing the bang seat.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers
>
>
> Dave Kearton
>
>

[John Carrier]

Very similar incident occurred during VF-211 (IIRC, might have been 24) gun
det in El Centro many years ago. F-8J, low transition, and a not quite
enough airspeed prior to gear retraction. At least no video evidence for
posterity.

R / John

"Iwan Bogels" > wrote in message
...
> Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
> waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well, look
> for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.
>
> Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to
> be
> material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.
>
> For those who are interested, we are collecting aviation mishap, accident
> and crash video footage for personal use. If you have another video clip
> for
> us, or if you can point us in the right direction on where to find it, we
> would appreciate to hear from you. Our address is .
>
> Aviation minded greetings,
>
> Iwan
>
>

[Spag]

His gear appeared to drop towards the end. Would he have hit the control in
the hope he could "prop" up the a/c or would that have been a release
because of impact damage?

Spag
"John Carrier" > wrote in message
...
> Very similar incident occurred during VF-211 (IIRC, might have been 24)
> gun det in El Centro many years ago. F-8J, low transition, and a not
> quite enough airspeed prior to gear retraction. At least no video
> evidence for posterity.
>
> R / John
>
> "Iwan Bogels" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
>> waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well, look
>> for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.
>>
>> Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to
>> be
>> material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.
>>
>> For those who are interested, we are collecting aviation mishap, accident
>> and crash video footage for personal use. If you have another video clip
>> for
>> us, or if you can point us in the right direction on where to find it, we
>> would appreciate to hear from you. Our address is .
>>
>> Aviation minded greetings,
>>
>> Iwan
>>
>>
>
>

[B2431]

>From: "Iwan Bogels"
>Date: 9/12/2004 4:59 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
>waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well, look
>for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.
>
>Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to be
>material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.
>

There were blood stains and casualties?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[J Haggerty]

B2431 wrote:

>>From: "Iwan Bogels"
>>Date: 9/12/2004 4:59 AM Central Daylight Time
>>Message-id: >
>>
>>Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
>>waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well, look
>>for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.
>>
>>Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to be
>>material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.
>>
>
>
> There were blood stains and casualties?
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

No. You "don't have to worry about blood stains and casualties" because
"there is only going to be material damage and a pilot with a severely
bruised ego."

JPH

[Jim Thomas]

Looks to me like he raised his gear too soon (maybe overrode the
weight-on-gear (WOG) switch that prevents the overeager from doing
such things on most fighters), and settled on his belly.

Jim Thomas


"Iwan Bogels" > wrote in message >...
> Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
> waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well, look
> for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.
>
> Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to be
> material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.
>
> For those who are interested, we are collecting aviation mishap, accident
> and crash video footage for personal use. If you have another video clip for
> us, or if you can point us in the right direction on where to find it, we
> would appreciate to hear from you. Our address is .
>
> Aviation minded greetings,
>
> Iwan

[John Mullen]

"Jim Thomas" > wrote in message
om...
> Looks to me like he raised his gear too soon (maybe overrode the
> weight-on-gear (WOG) switch that prevents the overeager from doing
> such things on most fighters), and settled on his belly.

Or else too steep a pull up and not enough speed. A commuter airliner once
did something similar through not using flap on take off, but I dont suppose
that would be a factor here.

Great video!

John

[miket6065]

I remember this crash from some time ago. It was explained that a hot dog
pilot tried to retract the gear at basically zero-zero altitude and then
pull up. But he screwed up the timing and the aircraft dropped downwards
and he couldn't recover.

If memory serves the plane was picked by a crane, the gear extened, bad
panel work replaced and it flew in a short period of time.

The Russians build them rugged.

MikeT

[Ralph Nesbitt]

"Dave Kearton" > wrote in
message ...
> "Iwan Bogels" > wrote in message
> ...
> | Do you know what happens to pilots who try to impress the camera crew,
> | waiting half way the runway for a spectacular take-off shot ? Well,
look
> | for yourself at http://www.dappa.nl/crash.htm.
> |
> | Don't worry about any blood stains or casualties, there is only going to
> be
> | material damage and a pilot with a severely brused ego.
> |
> | For those who are interested, we are collecting aviation mishap,
accident
> | and crash video footage for personal use. If you have another video clip
> for
> | us, or if you can point us in the right direction on where to find it,
we
> | would appreciate to hear from you. Our address is .
> |
> | Aviation minded greetings,
> |
> | Iwan
>
> I wonder if the ejection seat failed as well ......
>
> ....hardly seems like a MiG demo without firing the bang seat.
> --
> Dave Kearton
>
It is much easier on the back to walk away than to ride the EJ Seat unless
absolutely necessary. Pilots avoid taking the "Magic Ride" due potential for
compression injuries to their back. This observation based on my ~ 40 years
FD/CFR/ARFF experience.
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

[Dave Kearton]

"Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote in message
om...
|
| >
| It is much easier on the back to walk away than to ride the EJ Seat unless
| absolutely necessary. Pilots avoid taking the "Magic Ride" due potential
for
| compression injuries to their back. This observation based on my ~ 40
years
| FD/CFR/ARFF experience.
| Ralph Nesbitt
| Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
|



Undoubtedly Ralph, I was being tongue-in-cheek with my earlier comments.
I wouldn't wish a non-essential ejection upon anybody.


Classic story was told on this newsgroup a few months ago, my apologies to
the original poster who saw it happen and could explain it better that I.


Apparently after the Farnborough crash, where one MiG 29 collided with
another during a spectacular display, both ejected and left their aircraft,
relatively unharmed.


When rescue crews reached the pilots, who had landed fairly close together,
the 'innocent' pilot was seen to be beating the living suitcase out of the
'guilty' pilot.



"aaah Comrade, let me help you with your dental plan..."



Wish I was there.




I have no idea what a professional FD/CFR/ARFF person does at work, I'm
sure that it's important. ;-)




Cheers


Dave Kearton

[John Mullen]

"Dave Kearton" > wrote in
message ...
> "Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote in message
> om...
> |
> | >
> | It is much easier on the back to walk away than to ride the EJ Seat
> unless
> | absolutely necessary. Pilots avoid taking the "Magic Ride" due potential
> for
> | compression injuries to their back. This observation based on my ~ 40
> years
> | FD/CFR/ARFF experience.
> | Ralph Nesbitt
> | Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
> |
>
>
>
> Undoubtedly Ralph, I was being tongue-in-cheek with my earlier comments.
> I wouldn't wish a non-essential ejection upon anybody.
>
>
> Classic story was told on this newsgroup a few months ago, my apologies
> to
> the original poster who saw it happen and could explain it better that I.
>
>
> Apparently after the Farnborough crash, where one MiG 29 collided with
> another during a spectacular display, both ejected and left their
> aircraft,
> relatively unharmed.
>
>
> When rescue crews reached the pilots, who had landed fairly close
> together,
> the 'innocent' pilot was seen to be beating the living suitcase out of the
> 'guilty' pilot.
>
>
>
> "aaah Comrade, let me help you with your dental plan..."
>
>
>
> Wish I was there.

I wasn't there either but from the footage it certainly does not look like
they landed anywhere near each other. Neither does any of the footage show
them 'beating the living suitcase' out of each other.

Urban myth?

John

[James Hart]

John Mullen wrote:
> "Dave Kearton" >
> wrote in message ...
>> "Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote in message
>> om...
>>>
>>>>
>>> It is much easier on the back to walk away than to ride the EJ Seat
>>> unless absolutely necessary. Pilots avoid taking the "Magic Ride"
>>> due potential for compression injuries to their back. This
>>> observation based on my ~ 40 years FD/CFR/ARFF experience.
>>> Ralph Nesbitt
>>> Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Undoubtedly Ralph, I was being tongue-in-cheek with my earlier
>> comments. I wouldn't wish a non-essential ejection upon anybody.
>>
>>
>> Classic story was told on this newsgroup a few months ago, my
>> apologies to
>> the original poster who saw it happen and could explain it better
>> that I.
>>
>>
>> Apparently after the Farnborough crash, where one MiG 29 collided
>> with another during a spectacular display, both ejected and left
>> their aircraft,
>> relatively unharmed.
>>
>>
>> When rescue crews reached the pilots, who had landed fairly close
>> together,
>> the 'innocent' pilot was seen to be beating the living suitcase out
>> of the 'guilty' pilot.
>>
>>
>>
>> "aaah Comrade, let me help you with your dental plan..."
>>
>>
>>
>> Wish I was there.
>
> I wasn't there either but from the footage it certainly does not look
> like they landed anywhere near each other. Neither does any of the
> footage show them 'beating the living suitcase' out of each other.
>
> Urban myth?

Wasn't this the crash where one of the pilots was up on his feet and
lighting up a fag before the safety crews were anywhere near him? or was
that a different Russian display, er, mishap.

--
James...
www.jameshart.co.uk

[John Mullen]

"James Hart" > wrote in message
...
> John Mullen wrote:
>> "Dave Kearton" >
>> wrote in message ...
>>> "Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote in message
>>> om...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It is much easier on the back to walk away than to ride the EJ Seat
>>>> unless absolutely necessary. Pilots avoid taking the "Magic Ride"
>>>> due potential for compression injuries to their back. This
>>>> observation based on my ~ 40 years FD/CFR/ARFF experience.
>>>> Ralph Nesbitt
>>>> Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Undoubtedly Ralph, I was being tongue-in-cheek with my earlier
>>> comments. I wouldn't wish a non-essential ejection upon anybody.
>>>
>>>
>>> Classic story was told on this newsgroup a few months ago, my
>>> apologies to
>>> the original poster who saw it happen and could explain it better
>>> that I.
>>>
>>>
>>> Apparently after the Farnborough crash, where one MiG 29 collided
>>> with another during a spectacular display, both ejected and left
>>> their aircraft,
>>> relatively unharmed.
>>>
>>>
>>> When rescue crews reached the pilots, who had landed fairly close
>>> together,
>>> the 'innocent' pilot was seen to be beating the living suitcase out
>>> of the 'guilty' pilot.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "aaah Comrade, let me help you with your dental plan..."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Wish I was there.
>>
>> I wasn't there either but from the footage it certainly does not look
>> like they landed anywhere near each other. Neither does any of the
>> footage show them 'beating the living suitcase' out of each other.
>>
>> Urban myth?
>
> Wasn't this the crash where one of the pilots was up on his feet and
> lighting up a fag before the safety crews were anywhere near him? or was
> that a different Russian display, er, mishap.

I loved that shot too!

Wasn't it at Fairford rather than Farnborough? Or are we talking about two
separate incidents?

John

[Dave Kearton]

"John Mullen" > wrote in message
...
|
| I loved that shot too!
|
| Wasn't it at Fairford rather than Farnborough? Or are we talking about two
| separate incidents?
|
| John



Correctamundo - I knew I'd screw it up somewhere ....



Cheers


Dave Kearton

[Krztalizer]

>
>| Wasn't it at Fairford rather than Farnborough? Or are we talking about two
>| separate incidents?
>|
>| John
>
>
>
>Correctamundo - I knew I'd screw it up somewhere ....

Wasn't it actually Colonel Olds? :)


yfG

[Dave Kearton]

"Krztalizer" > wrote in message
...
| >
| >| Wasn't it at Fairford rather than Farnborough? Or are we talking about
two
| >| separate incidents?
| >|
| >| John
| >
| >
| >
| >Correctamundo - I knew I'd screw it up somewhere ....
|
| Wasn't it actually Colonel Olds? :)
|
|
| yfG



The two MiG pilots were secretly trained in Germany prior to the end of the
war (insert pitot tube here)






Cheers


Dave Kearton

[Ralph Nesbitt]

"Dave Kearton" > wrote in
message ...
> "Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote in message
> om...
> |
> | >
> | It is much easier on the back to walk away than to ride the EJ Seat
unless
> | absolutely necessary. Pilots avoid taking the "Magic Ride" due potential
> for
> | compression injuries to their back. This observation based on my ~ 40
> years
> | FD/CFR/ARFF experience.
> | Ralph Nesbitt
> | Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
> |
>
>
>
> Undoubtedly Ralph, I was being tongue-in-cheek with my earlier comments.
> I wouldn't wish a non-essential ejection upon anybody.
>
>
> Classic story was told on this newsgroup a few months ago, my apologies
to
> the original poster who saw it happen and could explain it better that I.
>
>
> Apparently after the Farnborough crash, where one MiG 29 collided with
> another during a spectacular display, both ejected and left their
aircraft,
> relatively unharmed.
>
>
> When rescue crews reached the pilots, who had landed fairly close
together,
> the 'innocent' pilot was seen to be beating the living suitcase out of the
> 'guilty' pilot.
>
>
>
> "aaah Comrade, let me help you with your dental plan..."
>
>
>
> Wish I was there.
>
>
>
>
> I have no idea what a professional FD/CFR/ARFF person does at work, I'm
> sure that it's important. ;-)
>
FD: Fire Dept
CFR: Crash Fire Rescue
ARFF: A/C Rescue & Fire Fighter

Why Professional? After ~ 40 years I stay home & get paid the first of each
month.
>
> Cheers
>
> Dave Kearton
>
Ralph Nesbitt
Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type

[Dave Kearton]

"Ralph Nesbitt" > wrote in message
om...
|
|| >
| FD: Fire Dept
| CFR: Crash Fire Rescue
| ARFF: A/C Rescue & Fire Fighter
|
| Why Professional? After ~ 40 years I stay home & get paid the first of
each
| month.
| >

| Ralph Nesbitt
| Professional FD/CFR/ARFF Type
|
|


Aaahh that makes much more sense - thanks for the education. I
thought it was a canine thing .....



FD: Find Dog

CFR: Can't Find Retrievers

ARFF: Don't worry, the dog's found me.





Cheers


Dave Kearton