IVAN--Pensacola NMNA survived (unconfirmed report)

[old hoodoo]

Being a relatively new building, and I think built with private funds
to the newer building codes, the National Museum of Naval Aviation has
initially been reported to have weathered the storm intact which is what
was expected (with crossed fingers I presume) from such a structure.

Only a one liner, included in an article re the blue angels.

"Storm damage forces Navy’s Blue Angels to skip Oceana show

By JACK DORSEY, The Virginian-Pilot
© September 18, 2004

......The Naval Aviation Museum, where the Navy houses its most valuable
aviation artifacts, held up, officials said...."

So, apparently that magnificent collection was spared, and the decision
to build a museum there was not an "historical disaster" as they may
have built it right. Its my understanding that the museum itself is
privately owned and funded, although it works in close association with
the Navy.

Still would like some confirmation though.

AL

[N329DF]

>Still would like some confirmation though.

so would I, was planning on stopping there in bout a 10 days or so on the way
home with a DC-3.

[vincent p. norris]

>Being a relatively new building, and I think built with private funds
>to the newer building codes, the National Museum of Naval Aviation has
>initially been reported to have weathered the storm intact which is what
>was expected (with crossed fingers I presume) from such a structure.
>
>Only a one liner, included in an article re the blue angels.

Today, Saturday, the WX channel quoted the CO of NAS Pensacola as
syaing there had been "significant damage" to the NAS. The Museum was
not mentioned. Let's hope that means it was NOT among the things
damaged.

vince norris

[Thomas A. Hoffer]

I copied this article segment from a local Pensacola newspaper. Looks the
exhibits suffered no damage with minor damage to the building itself. While
it mentions some damage to static aircraft displays outside, it sounds like
nothing was totally destroyed. I'm curious if the "significant" damage to
some planes is fixable.

" The National Museum of Naval Aviation was almost unscathed by the storm.
Nichols said there were a few leaks in the roof, but the exhibits inside
were unharmed.

Some of the historic aircraft parked on the tarmac behind the museum were
damaged, however. The canopy of an A-6 was sheared off. A couple of wings
lay on the pavement and some planes, evidently blown off their moorings, had
collided with other aircraft, causing significant damage."

[Cub Driver]

On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 19:16:49 -0500, old hoodoo
> wrote:

>
>.....The Naval Aviation Museum, where the Navy houses its most valuable
>aviation artifacts, held up, officials said...."

Al and I are among those who are waiting with anxiety to hear from the
museum, not only for its existing collection, but because of its
recent acquisition of the only Brewster F2A-1 fighter (indeed, the
only "Buffalo") in existence. This is BW-372, a Finnish Air Force
fighter recovered from a lake in Russia six years ago. See the Annals
of the Brewster Buffalo at www.warbirdforum.com/buff.htm


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[Cub Driver]

On 19 Sep 2004 00:48:01 GMT, (N329DF) wrote:

>so would I, was planning on stopping there in bout a 10 days or so on the way
>home with a DC-3.

If you are able to make the visit, a pirep would be great appreciated!

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Jack Linthicum]

vincent p. norris > wrote in message >...
> >Being a relatively new building, and I think built with private funds
> >to the newer building codes, the National Museum of Naval Aviation has
> >initially been reported to have weathered the storm intact which is what
> >was expected (with crossed fingers I presume) from such a structure.
> >
> >Only a one liner, included in an article re the blue angels.
>
> Today, Saturday, the WX channel quoted the CO of NAS Pensacola as
> syaing there had been "significant damage" to the NAS. The Museum was
> not mentioned. Let's hope that means it was NOT among the things
> damaged.
>
>

My copy of Florida Today, a Gannett paper, says that the "Pensacola
NAS has sustained "hundreds of millions" of dollars in damage and will
be closed for repairs indefinitely said Capt. John Pruitt, commanding
officer at the base.

All buildings along the water, particularly those in the historic Navy
yards area in the southeastern section of the base, have been flooded
badly. Many have lost all or portions of their roofs.

"(The storm surge) swept through the entire historical landmark
district within the old wall area" Pruitt said. September 19, 2004,
page 10B.

[Andrew C. Toppan]

On 19 Sep 2004 04:33:20 -0700, (Jack
Linthicum) wrote:

>My copy of Florida Today, a Gannett paper, says that the "Pensacola
>NAS has sustained "hundreds of millions" of dollars in damage and will
>be closed for repairs indefinitely said Capt. John Pruitt, commanding
>officer at the base.

On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an
aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola.
Curious.

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[BuZzY]

Did he wear a handsome flight suit and swagger-?

I imagine the airstrip there, and indeed in any Navy base, is built to
some incredibly strong specifications--maybe deeper substrate, etc.--the
geology of Pensacola may be a little challenging when planning such a
patch of tarmac.
>
> On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an
> aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola.
> Curious.
>

[nafod40]

Andrew C. Toppan wrote:
> On 19 Sep 2004 04:33:20 -0700, (Jack
> Linthicum) wrote:
>
>
>>My copy of Florida Today, a Gannett paper, says that the "Pensacola
>>NAS has sustained "hundreds of millions" of dollars in damage and will
>>be closed for repairs indefinitely said Capt. John Pruitt, commanding
>>officer at the base.
>
>
> On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an
> aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola.
> Curious.

The airstrip is well away from the water, so no surprise. The part of
the base that got whacked the worst is right along a seawall.

[Andrew C. Toppan]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 11:47:01 -0500, BuZzY >
wrote:

>I imagine the airstrip there, and indeed in any Navy base, is built to
>some incredibly strong specifications--maybe deeper substrate, etc.--the
>geology of Pensacola may be a little challenging when planning such a

I wouldn't expect the airstrip itself to be damaged at all, but I
would not be at all surprised if it was completely obstructed by
debris. And all the other things you need to make a working airfield
- radar, lights, communications, crash trucks, service vehicles,
electric power, running water....are quite subject to damage by such a
hurricane.

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[old hoodoo]

Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
they appear to most probably were just have been tied down. There was an
old hurricane trick that used to be used for smaller operational
aircraft to be tied down by putting the aircraft on its belly with gear
up and then tying it down. However, with these artifacts, it would not
have been possible. Tying down aircraft for a hurricane is not
recommended but it is all they could have done, although if the aircraft
had been mounted on concrete pads and then the wheels raised off the
ground on metal supports they would have been much better protected.
Although the musuem was first class inside it left something to be
desired outside apparently...and considering this is a hurricane prone
area, perhaps it should have been considered.
Here in Victoria we had an F-101 that when we got it, we prepared pads
and metal supports to secure it and get the tires off the ground. Not a
particularly difficult or expensive task.

Al

Thomas A. Hoffer wrote:
> I copied this article segment from a local Pensacola newspaper. Looks the
> exhibits suffered no damage with minor damage to the building itself. While
> it mentions some damage to static aircraft displays outside, it sounds like
> nothing was totally destroyed. I'm curious if the "significant" damage to
> some planes is fixable.
>
> " The National Museum of Naval Aviation was almost unscathed by the storm.
> Nichols said there were a few leaks in the roof, but the exhibits inside
> were unharmed.
>
> Some of the historic aircraft parked on the tarmac behind the museum were
> damaged, however. The canopy of an A-6 was sheared off. A couple of wings
> lay on the pavement and some planes, evidently blown off their moorings, had
> collided with other aircraft, causing significant damage."
>
>
>

[Andrew C. Toppan]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:12:17 -0500, old hoodoo
> wrote:

>Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
>they appear to most probably were just have been tied down.

They appear to were just have been tied down?

Huh?

Random verbs?

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[John A. Weeks III]

In article >, old hoodoo
> wrote:

> Here in Victoria we had an F-101 that when we got it, we prepared pads
> and metal supports to secure it and get the tires off the ground. Not a
> particularly difficult or expensive task.

Victoria where? And where in that Victoria is it located?

-john-

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[lat7575]

old hoodoo wrote:

> Being a relatively new building, and I think built with private funds
> to the newer building codes, the National Museum of Naval Aviation has
> initially been reported to have weathered the storm intact which is what
> was expected (with crossed fingers I presume) from such a structure.
>
> Only a one liner, included in an article re the blue angels.
>
> "Storm damage forces Navy’s Blue Angels to skip Oceana show
>
> By JACK DORSEY, The Virginian-Pilot
> © September 18, 2004
>
> .....The Naval Aviation Museum, where the Navy houses its most valuable
> aviation artifacts, held up, officials said...."
>
> So, apparently that magnificent collection was spared, and the decision
> to build a museum there was not an "historical disaster" as they may
> have built it right. Its my understanding that the museum itself is
> privately owned and funded, although it works in close association with
> the Navy.
>
> Still would like some confirmation though.
>
> AL
>
Check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation for some
"official" USN photos of NAS Pensacola damage. No
pics or info on the museum, which posters there
are also quite concerned about.

--
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[Andrew C. Toppan]

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 01:36:39 GMT, lat7575
> wrote:

>Check out alt.binaries.pictures.aviation for some
>"official" USN photos of NAS Pensacola damage. No

It's even easier to get them on the web:
http://www.news.navy.mil/view_gallery.asp?category_id=39


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[Cub Driver]

>>so would I, was planning on stopping there in bout a 10 days or so on the way
>>home with a DC-3.
>
>If you are able to make the visit, a pirep would be great appreciated!

Later: I see by the Aero-News Propwash that a C-47 at the museum lost
a wing in the blow (or possibly to a falling tree). So perhaps you
ought to keep that DC-3 safe from temptation on the part of the
curators!

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[Cub Driver]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 12:25:42 -0400, Andrew C. Toppan
> wrote:

>On the other hand, CNN today showed video of the President leaving an
>aircraft (apparently a VC-20) and said he had landed at NAS Pensacola.

The field is open for emergencies. A visit from the president would
certainly qualify.

I was capering about on Saturday: I had reserved the Cub for Sunday
afternoon, then came the TFRs on the president's visit to ME and NH,
then came the hurricane damage and an urgent need for the president to
inspect the damage (it's an ill wind that blows nobody good) and the
Cub could fly again! But on Sunday afternoon the wind here was gusting
25 knots, so I didn't get to fly after all. (Now Bush is back in NH
today! Ah well. There is no rest for the wear in the swing states.)



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[Cub Driver]

>
>>Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
>>they appear to most probably were just have been tied down.
>
>They appear to were just have been tied down?

Try "They appear to have merely been tied down"--that is, no heroic
measures such as being mounted on plyons. The poster could have been
tired, or he could have been educated in an American public school in
the past thirty years.

(Actually, I seem to recall a Hornet? or two being pylon-mounted in a
near-vertical climb at the museum.)

As it does for Al (Old Hoodoo), this news breaks my heart, because
after six years the Finnish Brewster Buffalo safely arrived at
Pensacola barely four weeks ago. I hope it survived the blow and the
rain all right, and I hope that the damage to the museum won't delay
my chances of viewing the airplane into a seventh year!

all the best -- Dan Ford
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[nafod40]

old hoodoo wrote:
> Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
> they appear to most probably were just have been tied down. There was an
> old hurricane trick that used to be used for smaller operational
> aircraft to be tied down by putting the aircraft on its belly with gear
> up and then tying it down.

Hindsight is 20-20, but I wonder it it wouldn't help to attach stuff to
the wings to make them non-aerodynamic for a strong storm? A series of
strips that would cause them to stall.

[Karen Johnson]

Cub Driver > wrote in message >...
> >
> >>Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
> >>they appear to most probably were just have been tied down.
> >
> >They appear to were just have been tied down?
>
> Try "They appear to have merely been tied down"--that is, no heroic
> measures such as being mounted on plyons. The poster could have been
> tired, or he could have been educated in an American public school in
> the past thirty years.
>
> (Actually, I seem to recall a Hornet? or two being pylon-mounted in a
> near-vertical climb at the museum.)
>
> As it does for Al (Old Hoodoo), this news breaks my heart, because
> after six years the Finnish Brewster Buffalo safely arrived at
> Pensacola barely four weeks ago. I hope it survived the blow and the
> rain all right, and I hope that the damage to the museum won't delay
> my chances of viewing the airplane into a seventh year!
>
> all the best -- Dan Ford
> email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)
>
> The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
> Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com

Hello Everyone:

This is my very first post to a news group. (Please forgive any
mistakes in posting.) I have been reading this group because I am an
"airplane nut," a Blue Angels fan, and have great respect for the
military. (Thank you to all of you who serve(d) our country.)

I feel compelled to post now to express best wishes for the folks at
NAS Pensacola and the NMNA as they recover from Hurricane Ivan damage.
I first visited both when I attended the Blue Angels homecoming last
November. I fell in love with Pensacola and even joined the museum.
Like all of you, through Google searches, I am searching for
information. I just read that the BA intend to perform at Salinas and
Miramar. I called Miramar last Friday and a lady told me they have
heard nothing about the possibility of the team cancelling. I am
looking forward to attending the Miramar show next month. Also, an
article says the BA are moving their base to New Orleans (I presume
NAS JRB NO at Belle Chasse. I called NAS JRB NO to verify, but it was
after 4:00, so no one answered.)I hope they can fly the New Orleans
show scheduled for Oct. 23-24, because I plan to bring my 3 year old
great nephew, who I am already training to love airplanes and the
Blues. One must raise up these children right!

Best wishes to all--Karen

[Krztalizer]

Hello, Karen. Welcome to this newsgroup - I hope you and your kids can get
something positive from it. As for the MCAS Miramar Airshow, the BA are
definitely still coming - its on advertisements and all the literature here in
San Diego: we couldn't survive without a Blue Angels show once a year!

v/r
Gordon
<====(A+C====>
USN SAR

Its always better to lose -an- engine, not -the- engine.

[old hoodoo]

In Victoria Texas. However the F-101 just got moved this summer to
Missouri after being here ten years. Bummer. I will never again dealt
with City politicians. They have been on a crusade to get rid of all
historical artifacts in the City. Lost a great Locomotive engine a
couple of years ago. I'm moving eventually, historically speaking, this
town sucks.

Al

John A. Weeks III wrote:
> In article >, old hoodoo
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Here in Victoria we had an F-101 that when we got it, we prepared pads
>>and metal supports to secure it and get the tires off the ground. Not a
>>particularly difficult or expensive task.
>
>
> Victoria where? And where in that Victoria is it located?
>
> -john-
>

[old hoodoo]

Karen:

Let me guess...you are/were a teacher. :-)

Yes, I was tired, but that is not an excuse. I think I made the error
when editing. I try to get it right, but now and again these one and
1/2 eyes of mine miss details, especially in the proofing department. Of
course, on newsgroups, grammar is not a top priority, as we have many
people from many different educational levels and languages posting here
with often important and fun things to say. Content is what matters,
not which fork one uses. Wait till you read something written by a Finn
or a Frenchman....please don't criticize their grammar, they write our
language better than we can do theirs and they often have a lot of good
things to say. Don't discourage them....or me..please!

That said, I will try to be a little more careful when I write.

Al ("Old Hoodoo" tbe nickname of the predreadnought USS Texas)

Karen Johnson wrote:

> Cub Driver > wrote in message >...
>
>>>>Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
>>>>they appear to most probably were just have been tied down.
>>>
>>>They appear to were just have been tied down?
>>
>>Try "They appear to have merely been tied down"--that is, no heroic
>>measures such as being mounted on plyons. The poster could have been
>>tired, or he could have been educated in an American public school in
>>the past thirty years.
>>
>>(Actually, I seem to recall a Hornet? or two being pylon-mounted in a
>>near-vertical climb at the museum.)
>>
>>As it does for Al (Old Hoodoo), this news breaks my heart, because
>>after six years the Finnish Brewster Buffalo safely arrived at
>>Pensacola barely four weeks ago. I hope it survived the blow and the
>>rain all right, and I hope that the damage to the museum won't delay
>>my chances of viewing the airplane into a seventh year!
>>
>>all the best -- Dan Ford
>>email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)
>>
>>The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
>>Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com
>
>
> Hello Everyone:
>
> This is my very first post to a news group. (Please forgive any
> mistakes in posting.) I have been reading this group because I am an
> "airplane nut," a Blue Angels fan, and have great respect for the
> military. (Thank you to all of you who serve(d) our country.)
>
> I feel compelled to post now to express best wishes for the folks at
> NAS Pensacola and the NMNA as they recover from Hurricane Ivan damage.
> I first visited both when I attended the Blue Angels homecoming last
> November. I fell in love with Pensacola and even joined the museum.
> Like all of you, through Google searches, I am searching for
> information. I just read that the BA intend to perform at Salinas and
> Miramar. I called Miramar last Friday and a lady told me they have
> heard nothing about the possibility of the team cancelling. I am
> looking forward to attending the Miramar show next month. Also, an
> article says the BA are moving their base to New Orleans (I presume
> NAS JRB NO at Belle Chasse. I called NAS JRB NO to verify, but it was
> after 4:00, so no one answered.)I hope they can fly the New Orleans
> show scheduled for Oct. 23-24, because I plan to bring my 3 year old
> great nephew, who I am already training to love airplanes and the
> Blues. One must raise up these children right!
>
> Best wishes to all--Karen

[Lynn in StLou]

old hoodoo wrote:
> In Victoria Texas. However the F-101 just got moved this summer to
> Missouri after being here ten years. Bummer. I will never again dealt
> with City politicians. They have been on a crusade to get rid of all
> historical artifacts in the City. Lost a great Locomotive engine a
> couple of years ago. I'm moving eventually, historically speaking, this
> town sucks.
>
> Al

Really? To where in MO? There is an F-101 at
Spirit of St Louis Airport, but that has been
there several years. Am not familiar with any
other locations here in the Show Me state.

Thanks

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[old hoodoo]

Geez. One little grammatical mistake and I am keel-hauled.


Al

Andrew C. Toppan wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 16:12:17 -0500, old hoodoo
> > wrote:
>
>
>>Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
>>they appear to most probably were just have been tied down.
>
>
> They appear to were just have been tied down?
>
> Huh?
>
> Random verbs?
>
> --
> Andrew Toppan --- --- "I speak only for myself"
> "Haze Gray & Underway" - Naval History, DANFS, World Navies Today,
> Photo Features, Military FAQs, and more - http://www.hazegray.org/
>

[old hoodoo]

Did it again. Please replace "dealt" with "deal".

I quit.

old hoodoo wrote:

> In Victoria Texas. However the F-101 just got moved this summer to
> Missouri after being here ten years. Bummer. I will never again dealt
> with City politicians. They have been on a crusade to get rid of all
> historical artifacts in the City. Lost a great Locomotive engine a
> couple of years ago. I'm moving eventually, historically speaking, this
> town sucks.
>
> Al
>
> John A. Weeks III wrote:
>
>> In article >, old hoodoo
>> > wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Here in Victoria we had an F-101 that when we got it, we prepared
>>> pads and metal supports to secure it and get the tires off the
>>> ground. Not a particularly difficult or expensive task.
>>
>>
>>
>> Victoria where? And where in that Victoria is it located?
>>
>> -john-
>>
>

[Jake Donovan]

A majority of base roads are impassable.
Generator power to selected buildings only
Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
suffered "significant" damage.
Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
Monday.
Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
lab destroyed.
Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.

Coast Guard station reported destroyed
Air Station Cemetery intact
Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down

Blue Angels
All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
their homes - currently
working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold

NAS Whiting Field
Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
approximately two weeks.

[Karen Johnson]

"Jake Donovan" > wrote in message news:<p6P3d.52316$9Y5.33484@fed1read02>...
> A majority of base roads are impassable.
> Generator power to selected buildings only
> Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
> suffered "significant" damage.
> Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
> Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
> Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
> Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
> Monday.
> Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
> lab destroyed.
> Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
> Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
> flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.
>
> Coast Guard station reported destroyed
> Air Station Cemetery intact
> Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
> Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down
>
> Blue Angels
> All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
> Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
> their homes - currently
> working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
> rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold
>
> NAS Whiting Field
> Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
> Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
> No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
> Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
> Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
> approximately two weeks.

Great News!

I just read an online article from the Miama Herald that says the
museum fared very well. "There was minimum damage," said retired Vice
Adm. Jack Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
Foundation. "The museum is in great shape." The article continues: "He
said only two of about 70 planes displayed outside on the flight line
at Pensacola Naval Air Station were damaged. Aircraft inside the
museum and a restoration building were unharmed. Other than some water
penetration near the entrance, the museum itself is fine, Fetterman
said."

Also: "We could be up for visitors within a week and a half to two
weeks," Fetterman said.

This is certainly a relief. I am still trying to reach NAS JRB NO to
confirm if the Blue Angels are temporarily moving their base there.

Best--Karen

[Karen Johnson]

old hoodoo > wrote in message >...
> Karen:
>
> Let me guess...you are/were a teacher. :-)

Hello Old Hoodoo:

My career has been in the space program (Shuttle). I did do some
substitute teaching while finishing a graduate degree. My current(NASA
related)job includes, among many other things, educational and public
outreach. I have just always loved airplanes and spaceships. My idea
of a great vacation is to visit an aviation museum or air show, and my
current job has afforded me the opportunity to do a lot of that. Best
- Karen
>
> Yes, I was tired, but that is not an excuse. I think I made the error
> when editing. I try to get it right, but now and again these one and
> 1/2 eyes of mine miss details, especially in the proofing department. Of
> course, on newsgroups, grammar is not a top priority, as we have many
> people from many different educational levels and languages posting here
> with often important and fun things to say. Content is what matters,
> not which fork one uses. Wait till you read something written by a Finn
> or a Frenchman....please don't criticize their grammar, they write our
> language better than we can do theirs and they often have a lot of good
> things to say. Don't discourage them....or me..please!
>
> That said, I will try to be a little more careful when I write.
>
> Al ("Old Hoodoo" tbe nickname of the predreadnought USS Texas)
>
> Karen Johnson wrote:
>
> > Cub Driver > wrote in message >...
> >
> >>>>Some bad news. I looked at pics of the outside display aircraft and
> >>>>they appear to most probably were just have been tied down.
> >>>
> >>>They appear to were just have been tied down?
> >>
> >>Try "They appear to have merely been tied down"--that is, no heroic
> >>measures such as being mounted on plyons. The poster could have been
> >>tired, or he could have been educated in an American public school in
> >>the past thirty years.
> >>
> >>(Actually, I seem to recall a Hornet? or two being pylon-mounted in a
> >>near-vertical climb at the museum.)
> >>
> >>As it does for Al (Old Hoodoo), this news breaks my heart, because
> >>after six years the Finnish Brewster Buffalo safely arrived at
> >>Pensacola barely four weeks ago. I hope it survived the blow and the
> >>rain all right, and I hope that the damage to the museum won't delay
> >>my chances of viewing the airplane into a seventh year!
> >>
> >>all the best -- Dan Ford
> >>email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)
> >>
> >>The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
> >>Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com
> >
> >
> > Hello Everyone:
> >
> > This is my very first post to a news group. (Please forgive any
> > mistakes in posting.) I have been reading this group because I am an
> > "airplane nut," a Blue Angels fan, and have great respect for the
> > military. (Thank you to all of you who serve(d) our country.)
> >
> > I feel compelled to post now to express best wishes for the folks at
> > NAS Pensacola and the NMNA as they recover from Hurricane Ivan damage.
> > I first visited both when I attended the Blue Angels homecoming last
> > November. I fell in love with Pensacola and even joined the museum.
> > Like all of you, through Google searches, I am searching for
> > information. I just read that the BA intend to perform at Salinas and
> > Miramar. I called Miramar last Friday and a lady told me they have
> > heard nothing about the possibility of the team cancelling. I am
> > looking forward to attending the Miramar show next month. Also, an
> > article says the BA are moving their base to New Orleans (I presume
> > NAS JRB NO at Belle Chasse. I called NAS JRB NO to verify, but it was
> > after 4:00, so no one answered.)I hope they can fly the New Orleans
> > show scheduled for Oct. 23-24, because I plan to bring my 3 year old
> > great nephew, who I am already training to love airplanes and the
> > Blues. One must raise up these children right!
> >
> > Best wishes to all--Karen

[Leanne]

I have just always loved airplanes and spaceships. My idea
> of a great vacation is to visit an aviation museum or air show, and my
> current job has afforded me the opportunity to do a lot of that. Best
> - Karen

Do you ever get over to Lakeland for Sun 'n Fun??

Leanne

[old hoodoo]

Super NEWs INDEED! Thanks Karen, for posting it.

Karen Johnson wrote:
> "Jake Donovan" > wrote in message news:<p6P3d.52316$9Y5.33484@fed1read02>...
>
>>A majority of base roads are impassable.
>> Generator power to selected buildings only
>> Reported damage to every building on station - 90% of buildings have
>> suffered "significant" damage.
>> Currently no power - no water - no sewage.
>> Sporadic gas leaks exist all over the base.
>> Phone landlines restored on limited capability this morning
>> Internet connectivity/Navy.mil website still down. ETR sometime Sunday or
>>Monday.
>> Base Public Affairs Office destroyed (National Historic Building) - photo
>>lab destroyed.
>> Naval Air Technical Training Center was completely under water
>> Pensacola Naval Air Station Museum structure held up. S-3 President Bush
>>flew aboard USS Abraham Lincoln is intact and undamaged.
>>
>> Coast Guard station reported destroyed
>> Air Station Cemetery intact
>> Approximately 10% of power lines are down - conservative estimate.
>> Runways are capable - Air Control tower structure ok - Radar is down
>>
>>Blue Angels
>>All Blue Angels operations are on hold Scheduled show this weekend in
>>Nantucket is canceled. Every member of Blue Angels reporting damage to
>>their homes - currently
>>working on return plan to Pensacola. May base out of New Orleans for the
>>rest of season. All shows for the next week are on hold
>>
>>NAS Whiting Field
>> Every hangar at Whiting is missing its roof.
>> Aircraft damage in hangars is suspected. Full BDA still ongoing.
>> No one other than emergency personnel are allowed on base
>> Two-thirds of all primary air training is held at NAS Whiting
>> Primary and helicopter training held at NAS Whiting completely down for
>> approximately two weeks.
>
>
> Great News!
>
> I just read an online article from the Miama Herald that says the
> museum fared very well. "There was minimum damage," said retired Vice
> Adm. Jack Fetterman, president and CEO of the Naval Aviation Museum
> Foundation. "The museum is in great shape." The article continues: "He
> said only two of about 70 planes displayed outside on the flight line
> at Pensacola Naval Air Station were damaged. Aircraft inside the
> museum and a restoration building were unharmed. Other than some water
> penetration near the entrance, the museum itself is fine, Fetterman
> said."
>
> Also: "We could be up for visitors within a week and a half to two
> weeks," Fetterman said.
>
> This is certainly a relief. I am still trying to reach NAS JRB NO to
> confirm if the Blue Angels are temporarily moving their base there.
>
> Best--Karen

[old hoodoo]

Lynn:

Honestly, I don't know where. I was kind of grumpy when they took the
plane and did not inquire...however I think it is near a
McDonnel-Douglas factory as it mentioned a lot of retired MD factory
workers were going to work on it. It seemed like a small city was
sponsoring it. Looks like it has found a good home. The main guy that
was taking care of the bird here in Victoria died of a heart attack and
the plane fell into a bit of a funk in terms of constant care and the
city saw a chance to get rid of it and moved quickly before the vacuum
could be filled. NEVER turn your back on a bureaucrat!


The aircraft is an F-101F, formerly a Texas Air Guard bird at Ellington,
was previously based at Tyndall AFB. There is at least one picture of
the bird flying in TANG markings and Tyndall markings but my serial
information is in a box somewhere.

AL

Al

Lynn in StLou wrote:

> old hoodoo wrote:
>
>> In Victoria Texas. However the F-101 just got moved this summer to
>> Missouri after being here ten years. Bummer. I will never again dealt
>> with City politicians. They have been on a crusade to get rid of all
>> historical artifacts in the City. Lost a great Locomotive engine a
>> couple of years ago. I'm moving eventually, historically speaking, this
>> town sucks.
>>
>> Al
>
>
> Really? To where in MO? There is an F-101 at Spirit of St Louis
> Airport, but that has been there several years. Am not familiar with
> any other locations here in the Show Me state.
>
> Thanks
>

[Cub Driver]

On 21 Sep 2004 14:22:04 -0700, (Karen Johnson) wrote:

>Great News!

Thanks for the pointer, Karen. (Registering to read the article was a
pain. I wish newspapers would get over that idea.)

I've posted the article at
http://p196.ezboard.com/fwarbirdsforumfrm10.showMessage?topicID=17.topic
for anyone who wants to read it without registering. Since it's AP, I
reckon it's available at other sites as well.

all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
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[Yeff]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:11:16 -0400, Cub Driver wrote:

> Thanks for the pointer, Karen. (Registering to read the article was a
> pain. I wish newspapers would get over that idea.)

Bookmark this site: <http://www.bugmenot.com/>

--

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

[Lynn in StLou]

old hoodoo wrote:
> Lynn:
>
> Honestly, I don't know where. I was kind of grumpy when they took the
> plane and did not inquire...however I think it is near a
> McDonnel-Douglas factory as it mentioned a lot of retired MD factory
> workers were going to work on it. It seemed like a small city was
> sponsoring it. Looks like it has found a good home. The main guy that
> was taking care of the bird here in Victoria died of a heart attack and
> the plane fell into a bit of a funk in terms of constant care and the
> city saw a chance to get rid of it and moved quickly before the vacuum
> could be filled. NEVER turn your back on a bureaucrat!
>
>
> The aircraft is an F-101F, formerly a Texas Air Guard bird at Ellington,
> was previously based at Tyndall AFB. There is at least one picture of
> the bird flying in TANG markings and Tyndall markings but my serial
> information is in a box somewhere.
>
> AL

FWIW, Spirit of St Louis airport is just west of
St Louis in the MO river bottoms. McD-D, now
Boeing, is about 10 minutes from me. What I did
notice is that the 101 at SoStL was different; at
least it had a new paint job. I am wondering if
they moved your 101 there and took the 101 that
had been there somewhere for resto. I will go
take a look later this week. Maybe it is your
101. If so, it has an okay home. Not the best in
the world.

Thanks for the response

--
Lynn in StLou
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[Karen Johnson]

Yeff > wrote in message >...
> On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 06:11:16 -0400, Cub Driver wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the pointer, Karen. (Registering to read the article was a
> > pain. I wish newspapers would get over that idea.)
>
> Bookmark this site: <http://www.bugmenot.com/>

More Blue Angels Information:

I talked to Public Affairs at NAS JRB New Orleans. He said he is "not
authorized" to release information about whether the team will
temporarily base aboard NO, except to say that the C-130 (Fat
Albert)has dropped in a few times enroute to other points. (I guess
"official" word on anything BA related should rightfully come directly
from the team PA Officer.) He also indicated that future airshow
appearances are "in limbo." Of course, our primary concern is for the
welfare of the team and their families.

Thought you might like to know there is another AP online article that
shows a picture of Commander Russ Bartlett at
http://www.naplesnews.com/npdn/florida/article/0,2071,NPDN_14910_3192844,00.html
And, FYI, there is a new web site about the original Blue Angel, Butch
Voris, at http://www.firstblueangel.com/ He has a book out.

Best to all. Karen

[Michael Mcneil]

"old hoodoo" > wrote in message


> Here in Victoria we had an F-101 that when we got it, we prepared pads
> and metal supports to secure it and get the tires off the ground. Not a
> particularly difficult or expensive task.


Sir Frances Chichester flew his Gypsy Moth through an typhoon in the
orient when he turned up at the wrong hangar to berth it. He reasoned
that it was designed to fly at the same airspeeds it was threatened
with.

What sort of planes do the US consider worth keeping that couldn't do
that?


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[Frank]

Hope the SNB-5P made it. It was one of the planes we used for our photo
training hops in the 50s - with Navy and Marine APs as pilots.

Frank - 34 yrs USN

"Thomas A. Hoffer" > wrote in message
...
>I copied this article segment from a local Pensacola newspaper. Looks the
> exhibits suffered no damage with minor damage to the building itself.
> While
> it mentions some damage to static aircraft displays outside, it sounds
> like
> nothing was totally destroyed. I'm curious if the "significant" damage to
> some planes is fixable.
>
> " The National Museum of Naval Aviation was almost unscathed by the storm.
> Nichols said there were a few leaks in the roof, but the exhibits inside
> were unharmed.
>
> Some of the historic aircraft parked on the tarmac behind the museum were
> damaged, however. The canopy of an A-6 was sheared off. A couple of wings
> lay on the pavement and some planes, evidently blown off their moorings,
> had
> collided with other aircraft, causing significant damage."
>
>
>
>