Re: Kerry is hiding his records

[Dudley Henriques]

"David Stinson" > wrote in message
news:15Z3d.5382$PZ4.4975@trnddc06...
>
>
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> ....and if my guess is right, there's also something in those records
>> that would require he step down as a Senator also.
>
> If only it were so...
> The American people have already shown that Demoncrat
> pols can get away literally with treason and murder.
> Clinton proved that. We will demand nothing and do nothing.
> Let a Republican fart in church and the media
> will eat him and his children, raw. Let a Demoncrat
> sell his nation's military secrets to China for
> blood money, and we'll yawn and watch re-runs of "Oprah."

Not all of us........... :-)
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

[Dudley Henriques]

"Justin" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> "David Stinson" > wrote in message
> news:15Z3d.5382$PZ4.4975@trnddc06...
>>
>>
>> Dudley Henriques wrote:
>> > ....and if my guess is right, there's also something in those
>> > records
>> > that would require he step down as a Senator also.
>>
>> If only it were so...
>> The American people have already shown that Demoncrat
>> pols can get away literally with treason and murder.
>> Clinton proved that. We will demand nothing and do nothing.
>> Let a Republican fart in church and the media
>> will eat him and his children, raw. Let a Demoncrat
>> sell his nation's military secrets to China for
>> blood money, and we'll yawn and watch re-runs of "Oprah."
>>
>
>
> This is the reason why I always get crazy and tell people/friends
> that... in
> this world, some people deserves/needs to die or be dead. And I get
> accused
> of a homocidal maniac.

In the interest of clarity, I must disassociate myself from the
direction this dialog is going and make it known that I personally would
NOT, and I restate again; would NOT wish anyone dead for political
reasons. This is NOT the way we settle things in the United
States......at least I don't anyway!
I'll now leave you more "violent types" to the rest of this thread to do
with as you wish.
Thank you
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

[Dudley Henriques]

"Muff" > wrote in message
...
> Kerry is hiding the fact that he did not meet his reserve commitment
> by
> attending weekends and two week stints during the summer. He was awol
> just
> like they accused Bush of. Only differance is that Bush filled all his
> squares and was honorably discharged.
>
> Muff
> A real combat vet

Actually it could be much worse than this. If Kerry was still in his
reserve commitment period at the time he went to North Vietnam, and
evidence seems to indicate that he was, he was still an officer in the
United States Navy. The United States was at war. If this situation
shows up in Kerry's concealed records, he is not only disqualified from
a run for the office of President, but if retroactively prosecuted and
found guilty, I believe he could even be expelled from the Senate.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

[Jim Yanik]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
ink.net:



> Actually it could be much worse than this. If Kerry was still in his
> reserve commitment period at the time he went to North Vietnam, and
> evidence seems to indicate that he was, he was still an officer in the
> United States Navy. The United States was at war. If this situation
> shows up in Kerry's concealed records, he is not only disqualified from
> a run for the office of President, but if retroactively prosecuted and
> found guilty, I believe he could even be expelled from the Senate.

> Dudley Henriques
> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
> Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired
>


Yes,if we could get Congress to impeach Kerry,very doubtful they'd do it.
I doubt if we could get the Navy to prosecute him for treason.There's no
statute of limitations on that,is there?

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik-at-kua.net

[Dudley Henriques]

"Jim Yanik" > wrote in message
.. .
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in
> ink.net:
>
>
>
>> Actually it could be much worse than this. If Kerry was still in his
>> reserve commitment period at the time he went to North Vietnam, and
>> evidence seems to indicate that he was, he was still an officer in
>> the
>> United States Navy. The United States was at war. If this situation
>> shows up in Kerry's concealed records, he is not only disqualified
>> from
>> a run for the office of President, but if retroactively prosecuted
>> and
>> found guilty, I believe he could even be expelled from the Senate.
>
>> Dudley Henriques
>> International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>> Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired
>>
>
>
> Yes,if we could get Congress to impeach Kerry,very doubtful they'd do
> it.
> I doubt if we could get the Navy to prosecute him for treason.There's
> no
> statute of limitations on that,is there?

I'm not an expert on these matters but I don't believe there is a
statute of limitations on such a charge. The rub in all this is that the
answer is already known to a select few, but the information legally
can't be released to the public or more importantly acted upon legally
unless Kerry signs the request form that releases the records as public
domain.
Unless he is forced to sign that form by a concentrated media effort
directed specifically at this issue, Kerry can very well refuse to
release these records indefinitely and that is EXACTLY what he intends
to do.
What constitutes a terrible scenario is if Kerry wins the Presidency;
then something is done afterward that alters the law to allow the
release of his records. If this happens after the election, the result
could be catastrophic for the nation!
Of course this is just my humble read on all this, and if there's one
damn thing I'm glad I'm NEVER going to be in this life, it's a GD
lawyer!!!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

[OXMORON1]

IBM wrote:
>
>Now that would be interesting.
>Ought not simple arithmetic be able to >determine whether or not his
commitment >was up at the time in question?

Not all that simple, unless he had resigned his commission or had recelved his
discharge he was still a reserve officer.
So you need to see the records to find out if either had happened.

Rick Clark

[Dudley Henriques]

"ian maclure" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:53:47 +0000, Dudley Henriques wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>> Actually it could be much worse than this. If Kerry was still in his
>> reserve commitment period at the time he went to North Vietnam, and
>> evidence seems to indicate that he was, he was still an officer in
>> the
>> United States Navy. The United States was at war. If this situation
>> shows up in Kerry's concealed records, he is not only disqualified
>> from
>> a run for the office of President, but if retroactively prosecuted
>> and
>> found guilty, I believe he could even be expelled from the Senate.
>
> Now that would be interesting.
> Ought not simple arithmetic be able to determine whether
> or not his commitment was up at the time in question?
> Not, that in its details, it makes a bit of difference whether
> the treason occurred on or off watch IMHO at least.
> Treason is treason, only the legal consequences would differ.

The answer is known by a few, but not legally available legally as
public domain unless Kerry is forced by an angry public to sign that
release form and he has absolutely no intention of doing it. We
literally have a law in place in the United States that will allow a
possible traitor to stonewall his way into the Presidency of our nation.
Thanks to .....the American Lawyer!!!!!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

[Bob]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:52:41 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>
>"ian maclure" > wrote in message
...
>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:53:47 +0000, Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>>> Actually it could be much worse than this. If Kerry was still in his
>>> reserve commitment period at the time he went to North Vietnam, and
>>> evidence seems to indicate that he was, he was still an officer in
>>> the
>>> United States Navy. The United States was at war. If this situation
>>> shows up in Kerry's concealed records, he is not only disqualified
>>> from
>>> a run for the office of President, but if retroactively prosecuted
>>> and
>>> found guilty, I believe he could even be expelled from the Senate.
>>
>> Now that would be interesting.
>> Ought not simple arithmetic be able to determine whether
>> or not his commitment was up at the time in question?
>> Not, that in its details, it makes a bit of difference whether
>> the treason occurred on or off watch IMHO at least.
>> Treason is treason, only the legal consequences would differ.
>
>The answer is known by a few, but not legally available legally as
>public domain unless Kerry is forced by an angry public to sign that
>release form and he has absolutely no intention of doing it. We
>literally have a law in place in the United States that will allow a
>possible traitor to stonewall his way into the Presidency of our nation.
>Thanks to .....the American Lawyer!!!!!
>Dudley Henriques
>International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

According to the DD-214 on the Kerry site his Terminal Date of Reserve
Obligation was 17 Feb 72. Another paper dated ? Feb 78 says Acceptance
of resignation/discharge from the Naval Reserve. Sure looks like he
was a card carrying member of the Naval Reserve until at least Feb 78.

[OXMORON1]

Dudley commented:
>I'm not an expert on these matters but I don't believe there is a
>statute of limitations on such a charge.

For the legal people...Can a President pardon himself? Ford got Nixon off the
hook, but could Nixon have pardoned himself before he resigned? Could Kerry
pardon himself before anything came out?

Rick

[Dudley Henriques]

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 23:52:41 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> > wrote:
>
>>
>>"ian maclure" > wrote in message
...
>>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 21:53:47 +0000, Dudley Henriques wrote:
>>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>> Actually it could be much worse than this. If Kerry was still in
>>>> his
>>>> reserve commitment period at the time he went to North Vietnam, and
>>>> evidence seems to indicate that he was, he was still an officer in
>>>> the
>>>> United States Navy. The United States was at war. If this situation
>>>> shows up in Kerry's concealed records, he is not only disqualified
>>>> from
>>>> a run for the office of President, but if retroactively prosecuted
>>>> and
>>>> found guilty, I believe he could even be expelled from the Senate.
>>>
>>> Now that would be interesting.
>>> Ought not simple arithmetic be able to determine whether
>>> or not his commitment was up at the time in question?
>>> Not, that in its details, it makes a bit of difference whether
>>> the treason occurred on or off watch IMHO at least.
>>> Treason is treason, only the legal consequences would differ.
>>
>>The answer is known by a few, but not legally available legally as
>>public domain unless Kerry is forced by an angry public to sign that
>>release form and he has absolutely no intention of doing it. We
>>literally have a law in place in the United States that will allow a
>>possible traitor to stonewall his way into the Presidency of our
>>nation.
>>Thanks to .....the American Lawyer!!!!!
>>Dudley Henriques
>>International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
>>Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired
>
> According to the DD-214 on the Kerry site his Terminal Date of Reserve
> Obligation was 17 Feb 72. Another paper dated ? Feb 78 says Acceptance
> of resignation/discharge from the Naval Reserve. Sure looks like he
> was a card carrying member of the Naval Reserve until at least Feb 78.

I am actually in awe of what is happening in this campaign. It's totally
unbelievable to me that this will be allowed ultimately to stand. This
last deal with CBS is nothing short of a direct attempt to overthrow the
government of the United States by influencing a national election.
There's no doubt at all in my mind that the way it's being spun by
everybody involved is through an intricately woven maze that
continuously deepens the initial source of these forged documents. CBS
be damned for any "in house" investigation. This thing should be in the
hands of independent authority, whatever the hell THAT might be at this
point in time.
The only way to make Kerry's records public so that they can be used
against him is through a concentrated effort to force him in public to
sign that GD form. He knows that, and is avoiding this type of public
confrontation at all costs.
Perhaps if the Swift Boat vets took out a national ad that said
absolutely nothing but one HUGE WRITTEN line. "KERRY......SIGN THAT
FORM!!!
I've never in my lifetime seen the likes of what is happening in this
election campaign. As an American, I'm deeply troubled by what I'm
seeing.
There is an old axiom that states that a huge crowd can only be
controlled by a few policemen as long as that crowd feels deeply and
independently within each person individually being controlled, that
they are WILLING to allow themselves to be controlled by the few
policemen because they believe that the control is right.
The "crowd" in this country is becoming restless, and as each day passes
and the rhetoric gets stronger, it becomes harder and harder to withdraw
to where that belief in control was seated in the hearts of the people.
I can actually envision with no trouble at all, a point in time in the
near future when the two sides will longer abide by a majority vote,
coming together for the common good of the country, and instead continue
on AFTER the vote has been taken, with ever increasing vitriolic action
against each other, the losing side actually engaging in action that is
designed to destroy the direction the vote would have taken the
country.........and THAT ain't a good situation!!!!
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

[Dudley Henriques]

"OXMORON1" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley commented:
>>I'm not an expert on these matters but I don't believe there is a
>>statute of limitations on such a charge.
>
> For the legal people...Can a President pardon himself? Ford got Nixon
> off the
> hook, but could Nixon have pardoned himself before he resigned? Could
> Kerry
> pardon himself before anything came out?
>
> Rick

I don't think he could get away with that. The country would go nuts!
But the harm to the country would be deep and permanent if a traitor was
elected to the Presidency and afterward had to be removed from office.
It would split the country wide open. The wounds would never heal.
If this guy's records have to be seen; they'll have to be seen BEFORE
the election, and if those records contain what many think they contain.
Kerry will fight like hell to keep them secret by not signing that damn
release form.
The Swifties could do it if they tried hard enough in public, but that's
the only way I can think of to force that issue.
Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

[Bob Coe]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote
>
> I've never in my lifetime seen the likes of what is happening in this election campaign.
> As an American, I'm deeply troubled by what I'm seeing.

I don't really worry about such things, because I know there is a
Lee Oswald out there who is an equalizer.

Jonathan Alter says "Shrum's grand plan wasn't complicated. He
figured that with most voters believing the country is on the "wrong
track," all that Kerry had to do was establish his credibility as a
potential commander in chief and he would win-hence the "bio"
convention.

No need to respond directly to Bush ads sliming him for wanting to
cut the same weapons systems that Bush's father cut. No need to
explain how the Iraq war had been botched. No need to discredit
Bush at all, because he was already thoroughly discredited."

While the rest of the piece is crap, he has it right about Shrum, and
why Kerry lost the election. Dan Rather is a day late and a dollar
short. Kerry is no Commander in Chief material, and even the
mentally retarded can understand that.

[Kevin Brooks]

"OXMORON1" > wrote in message
...
> IBM wrote:
>>
>>Now that would be interesting.
>>Ought not simple arithmetic be able to >determine whether or not his
> commitment >was up at the time in question?
>
> Not all that simple, unless he had resigned his commission or had recelved
> his
> discharge he was still a reserve officer.
> So you need to see the records to find out if either had happened.

Actually, his own website is a bit shady on this topic. The service timeline
shows that he requested releases from active duty on 1 March 1970 and was
released from *active* duty the following month, and that is where it ends
( http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/service_timeline.html ), with no
mention of subsequent reserve service. But in the "records" section of the
site it shows that his request for discharge from the USNR was not accepted
and approved until1978 (
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Acceptance_of_Discharge_Naval_Reserve.pdf )
.. So up front they leave one with the impression he was out free-and-clear
in 1970, but that most assuredly was not the case. There is no question that
he was still a USNR officer when he was pulling his VVAW/Winter Soldier
Investigation stunts in 1971.

Brooks

>
> Rick Clark
>
>

[Bob]

On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 18:45:54 -0700, Willcox >
wrote:

>In article et>,
>Steven P. McNicoll > wrote:
>
>> "RalphNader 2004" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Why does Kerry continue to hide his military records and refuse to sign a
>> > SF > 180?
>> >
>> Because there's something in those records that would diminish his chances
>> of becoming president if it became known.
>
>1977 - Jimmy Carter signs widesweeping pardon for "violations of the
>Military Selective Service Act alleged to have occurred between August
>4, 1964 and March 28, 1973".
><http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/codification/executive_order/1
>1967.html>
>
>1978 - John Kerry flinally gets an honorable discharge:
>http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/jkerry/accptdisnavresrv.pdf

No need to go to findlaw. It is right there on the Kerry site along
with the more official letter...
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Acceptance_of_Discharge_Naval_Reserve.pdf
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
Mitchell Holman > wrote:

So can we assume that you finally admit that the CBS memos were bogus?

One step at a time...

[Pete]

"Bob" > wrote
>
> No need to go to findlaw. It is right there on the Kerry site along
> with the more official letter...
>
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Acceptance_of_Discharge_Naval_Reserve.pdf
>
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/Honorable_Discharge_From_Reserve.pdf
>

And here are a couple of articles on the subject in question

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/markalexander/ma20040625.shtml
http://ice.he.net/~freepnet/kerry/staticpages/index.php?page=AWOL

Pete

[Bill Jameson]

Dudley Henriques wrote:
....
> I am actually in awe of what is happening in this campaign. It's totally
> unbelievable to me that this will be allowed ultimately to stand. This
> last deal with CBS is nothing short of a direct attempt to overthrow the
> government of the United States by influencing a national election.
....

Well Dudley,

Take a deep breath. Then tell yourself "it's only an election."

Though it's fun to watch you turn into a paranoid pretzel about the
forthcoming civil war and the "attempt to overthrow the government of
the United States" by politicing.

I would guess that to prevent that you might wish the election cancelled.

[Dudley Henriques]

"Bill Jameson" > wrote in message
...
> Dudley Henriques wrote:
> ...
>> I am actually in awe of what is happening in this campaign. It's
>> totally unbelievable to me that this will be allowed ultimately to
>> stand. This last deal with CBS is nothing short of a direct attempt
>> to overthrow the government of the United States by influencing a
>> national election.
> ...
>
> Well Dudley,
>
> Take a deep breath. Then tell yourself "it's only an election."
>
> Though it's fun to watch you turn into a paranoid pretzel about the
> forthcoming civil war and the "attempt to overthrow the government of
> the United States" by politicing.
>
> I would guess that to prevent that you might wish the election
> cancelled.

You guessed wrong.........about me, and how you read my post.

Dudley Henriques
International Fighter Pilots Fellowship
Flight Instructor/Aerobatics/Retired

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"ibm" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> who fought in Vietnam. The difference between kerry and bush is that
>> kerry "earned" 3 purple hearts and got ejected with an honorable
>>
>
> Trotskerry manufactured at least two of the Purple Hearts.
>

Methinks that's why "earned" is in quotes.