Beech Skipper

[Dave]

I posted before about buying an inexpensive aircraft and got good
information from this group - thanks. I've been looking locally,
Philadelphia area, for a good aircraft in the $30k range. I found a
very nice Skipper for less than my budget ~ 27k. I never considered
one before. I flew it earlier today and I have to admit that I
enjoyed it.

The limitations of the skipper are slow, doesn't have much useful
load, doesn't climb real well, and Beech parts are expensive. On the
plus side, Beech quality, modestly IFR with a 155, garmin audio panel,
garmin VFR 250, intercom, low time, 2000 hours, recent engine, 400
SMOH, very good paint/interior, 6 GPH, excellent visibility and unlike
the rental fleet - everything works!!
I've been thinking hard about what I really need. Most of my trips
are less than 200 miles so the lack of speed and range are not
problems. I almost always fly solo so the weight limitations are
okay. I have my IFR rating but I intend to use it for VFR flights and
to maintain currency for IFR (I can rent more capable planes if I
really need to).

If I accept all of the limitations, are there any problems with these
little ships? I haven't found any crazy ad's or sb's. Are there any
odd problems with handling? For my first aircraft, I'd like something
that isn't going to drive me nuts with repairs.


Thanks
Dave

[Ray Andraka]

I did my PPL in three skippers. They are nice and light on the controls
and don't have any really nasty habits (they can even be used for spin
training, although it takes a bit of work to make it spin). It does have
a T tail, so you might have to get used to not having any pitch authority
at low speeds, but if you let the plane fly itself off the runway that
should not be a problem. They are solid aircraft, and having the two
doors with a low wing is nice. The only maintenance thing I recall seeing
as a recurrent problem was the ABS wingtips were perennially cracking.
Also, the fuel selector is a simple both/off selector and if the fuel
vents are misaligned you can get an uneven fuel burn from the two tanks.
As I recall, the climb wasn't all that bad. The Sundowner I flew after I
got my PPL had less climb at max gross. Even over gross on a hot day in
New England, the skipper did OK in the climb. Full fuel doesn't leave
enough remaining useful load for two FAA adults, but the plane performs
fine there anyway. In fact, I was over max gross by about 25 lbs for my
PPL checkride because the previous person had filled the tanks the night
before (I made the DE aware of it and we flew anyway). At 90kts, you
won't get anywhere in a big hurry, but it is a great plane for training,
relatively local travel and low and slow touring.



Dave wrote:

> I posted before about buying an inexpensive aircraft and got good
> information from this group - thanks. I've been looking locally,
> Philadelphia area, for a good aircraft in the $30k range. I found a
> very nice Skipper for less than my budget ~ 27k. I never considered
> one before. I flew it earlier today and I have to admit that I
> enjoyed it.
>
> The limitations of the skipper are slow, doesn't have much useful
> load, doesn't climb real well, and Beech parts are expensive. On the
> plus side, Beech quality, modestly IFR with a 155, garmin audio panel,
> garmin VFR 250, intercom, low time, 2000 hours, recent engine, 400
> SMOH, very good paint/interior, 6 GPH, excellent visibility and unlike
> the rental fleet - everything works!!
> I've been thinking hard about what I really need. Most of my trips
> are less than 200 miles so the lack of speed and range are not
> problems. I almost always fly solo so the weight limitations are
> okay. I have my IFR rating but I intend to use it for VFR flights and
> to maintain currency for IFR (I can rent more capable planes if I
> really need to).
>
> If I accept all of the limitations, are there any problems with these
> little ships? I haven't found any crazy ad's or sb's. Are there any
> odd problems with handling? For my first aircraft, I'd like something
> that isn't going to drive me nuts with repairs.
>
> Thanks
> Dave

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[TripFarmer]

Just my $0.02 worth..... Buy a plane with more HP and Payload ability but get
a partner. You can't fly everyday anyway and to have someone share 1/2 the
fixed costs woudl let you fly more with a nicer plane on the same (or less)
budget.


Trip


In article >,
says...
>
>I posted before about buying an inexpensive aircraft and got good
>information from this group - thanks. I've been looking locally,
>Philadelphia area, for a good aircraft in the $30k range. I found a
>very nice Skipper for less than my budget ~ 27k. I never considered
>one before. I flew it earlier today and I have to admit that I
>enjoyed it.
>
>The limitations of the skipper are slow, doesn't have much useful
>load, doesn't climb real well, and Beech parts are expensive. On the
>plus side, Beech quality, modestly IFR with a 155, garmin audio panel,
>garmin VFR 250, intercom, low time, 2000 hours, recent engine, 400
>SMOH, very good paint/interior, 6 GPH, excellent visibility and unlike
>the rental fleet - everything works!!
>I've been thinking hard about what I really need. Most of my trips
>are less than 200 miles so the lack of speed and range are not
>problems. I almost always fly solo so the weight limitations are
>okay. I have my IFR rating but I intend to use it for VFR flights and
>to maintain currency for IFR (I can rent more capable planes if I
>really need to).
>
>If I accept all of the limitations, are there any problems with these
>little ships? I haven't found any crazy ad's or sb's. Are there any
>odd problems with handling? For my first aircraft, I'd like something
>that isn't going to drive me nuts with repairs.
>
>
>Thanks
>Dave

[Neal]

On 18 Jul 2003 16:57:31 GMT, (TripFarmer) wrote:

>Just my $0.02 worth..... Buy a plane with more HP and Payload ability

Like a Cherokee 140 :-)

Same price range, much more airplane. Dirt cheap to operate and
maintain (well cheap is relative to the rest of the aviation world
anyway)

[Dave]

I thought about the 140 and have looked at one. That particular
airplane needed too much work. Luckily, the advice of this group
talked me out of it. I haven't found any 140's in my area that are
worth persuring. Most of the one's I have found are really tired old
birds. I don't have time for a fixer-upper.

The partnership idea is not for me.
Thanks for the advice.

Dave

[Justin Case]

I like the Skipper, but you need to look into the availability of the
parts. Since there wasn't many made (around 280), the aircraft are
worth more at the junkyard than in the air. Not too long ago, I saw
one being dismantled at one of the salvage yards. When I asked what
sealed its fate, the owner said that there was nothing wrong with it,
they just needed the parts for the customers.

On 20 Jul 2003 21:25:36 -0700, (Dave) wrote:

>I thought about the 140 and have looked at one. That particular
>airplane needed too much work. Luckily, the advice of this group
>talked me out of it. I haven't found any 140's in my area that are
>worth persuring. Most of the one's I have found are really tired old
>birds. I don't have time for a fixer-upper.
>
>The partnership idea is not for me.
>Thanks for the advice.
>
>Dave

[Dylan Smith]

On 20 Jul 2003 21:25:36 -0700, Dave > wrote:
>I thought about the 140 and have looked at one. That particular
>airplane needed too much work. Luckily, the advice of this group
>talked me out of it. I haven't found any 140's in my area that are
>worth persuring.

What kind of 140 - the proper sort (Cessna) or the nosedragger sort
(Piper)? :-)

There's a good type club if you're after the Cessna one which has quite
a few 'for sale' ads.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
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"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Dave]

(Dylan Smith) wrote in message >...
> On 20 Jul 2003 21:25:36 -0700, Dave > wrote:
> >I thought about the 140 and have looked at one. That particular
> >airplane needed too much work. Luckily, the advice of this group
> >talked me out of it. I haven't found any 140's in my area that are
> >worth persuring.
>
> What kind of 140 - the proper sort (Cessna) or the nosedragger sort
> (Piper)? :-)
>
> There's a good type club if you're after the Cessna one which has quite
> a few 'for sale' ads.

Thanks Dylan. I'm interested in the nosewheel sort. I did do as much
of my private in a piper cub as was reasonably possible. With that
minimal tailwheel experience, I also considered Citabrias. I found
one very nice ECA. The problem is the wing spar AD. It could fail at
annual, if not this year - maybe next - maybe never. Minimum cost is
about $10k to go with the Milman spar or about $16k for the factory
wings. That's too much exposure on a $30k aircraft. They really are
great little airplanes.

Dave