Six seat aircraft?

[Jay Honeck]

What are the current 6-seat single engine aircraft in production?

I can think of the Cessna 206, the newly re-minted Cherokee Six, and the
Beech Bonanza (well, it's sort of a 6-seater...).

Are there any others?

Are there any experimental 6-seaters? I wonder if Cirrus is aiming to
release one?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Brinks]

There's a six seat experimental from AeroComp called the Comp Air 6. Looks
interesting. Saw a few at Oshkosh this year.

http://aerocompinc.com/

Chris


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:4tP2b.269932$uu5.60768@sccrnsc04...
> What are the current 6-seat single engine aircraft in production?
>
> I can think of the Cessna 206, the newly re-minted Cherokee Six, and the
> Beech Bonanza (well, it's sort of a 6-seater...).
>
> Are there any others?
>
> Are there any experimental 6-seaters? I wonder if Cirrus is aiming to
> release one?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Aaron Coolidge]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
: What are the current 6-seat single engine aircraft in production?

Are you upgrading your hotel's courtesey transportation?

: I can think of the Cessna 206, the newly re-minted Cherokee Six, and the
: Beech Bonanza (well, it's sort of a 6-seater...).

The A-36 Bonanza is definately a 6-seater.

: Are there any others?

The Saratoga. Well, I guess it's a retractable Cherokee Six...
Piper Malibu Mirage. Piper Meridian.
The TBM-700. The Cessna 208 Caravan (OK, it's an 8-seater). The PC-12.
The Lake LA-270. You could probably put 6 in a turbine Maule.

(Guess what I did at Oshkosh '03? Well, besides bailing the tent...)

: Are there any experimental 6-seaters?

Isn't the Murphy Moose a 6-seater? How about that Lionheart biplane?

I wonder if Cirrus is aiming to
: release one?
Not sure, but the rumoer is that new "DeHavilland" Beavers are going to be
produced by the Beaver Aircraft Co. in the near future!

: --
: Jay Honeck
: Iowa City, IA
: Pathfinder N56993
: www.AlexisParkInn.com
: "Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom S.]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:4tP2b.269932$uu5.60768@sccrnsc04...
> What are the current 6-seat single engine aircraft in production?
>
> I can think of the Cessna 206, the newly re-minted Cherokee Six, and the
> Beech Bonanza (well, it's sort of a 6-seater...).
>
> Are there any others?
>
> Are there any experimental 6-seaters? I wonder if Cirrus is aiming to
> release one?

Citation CJ2

[ks_av8r]

Is there going to be an "announcement" down the road?

I believe in addition to the 206, most 210's are also 6 seat as well as the
207 (6+). And there is always Harrison Ford's choice of the "big single",
the 208. Dehavilland Beavers and/or Otters may be able to also handle 6.

This one is somewhere on a list of possibilities
http://www.buran.ru/htm/mol-1.htm


Denny


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:4tP2b.269932$uu5.60768@sccrnsc04...
> What are the current 6-seat single engine aircraft in production?
>
> I can think of the Cessna 206, the newly re-minted Cherokee Six, and the
> Beech Bonanza (well, it's sort of a 6-seater...).
>
> Are there any others?
>
> Are there any experimental 6-seaters? I wonder if Cirrus is aiming to
> release one?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Aaron Coolidge]

ks_av8r > wrote:

: I believe in addition to the 206, most 210's are also 6 seat as well as the
: 207 (6+). And there is always Harrison Ford's choice of the "big single",
: the 208. Dehavilland Beavers and/or Otters may be able to also handle 6.

I think all the 210's are 6-seaters, but the backmost 2 seats are very small
until you get into the late '60's strutles models. The 205 is also 6-place.
Although, Jay asked about current production 6-place machines.

: This one is somewhere on a list of possibilities
: http://www.buran.ru/htm/mol-1.htm
Was this at Osh? I didn't see it.

--
Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)

[Greg Burkhart]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:4tP2b.269932$uu5.60768@sccrnsc04...
> What are the current 6-seat single engine aircraft in production?
>
> I can think of the Cessna 206, the newly re-minted Cherokee Six, and the
> Beech Bonanza (well, it's sort of a 6-seater...).
>
> Are there any others?
>
> Are there any experimental 6-seaters? I wonder if Cirrus is aiming to
> release one?

Just keep your Pathfinder and find a 2-place plane too... ;-)

[Frank Stutzman]

Greg Burkhart > wrote:

> Just keep your Pathfinder and find a 2-place plane too... ;-)

I suggested that when he went from his Warrior to the Pathfinder. Did he
take my advice then? Nooooo...



--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

[G.R. Patterson III]

Aaron Coolidge wrote:
>
> You could probably put 6 in a turbine Maule.

Five. And one needs to be a midget.

George Patterson
Brute force has an elegance all its own.

[G.R. Patterson III]

ks_av8r wrote:
>
> Dehavilland Beavers and/or Otters may be able to also handle 6.

IIRC, DeHavilland hasn't made these in quite some while.

George Patterson
Brute force has an elegance all its own.

[Jay Honeck]

> I suggested that when he went from his Warrior to the Pathfinder. Did he
> take my advice then? Nooooo...

Hey, we absolutely LOVE our Pathfinder. Until the kids are grown, I simply
can't imagine another plane filling our needs as well as Atlas does -- he's
a brawny beast that will carry ANYTHING we can fit inside, relatively
quickly, in comfort, with a longer range than our bladders -- and he happily
sips that sweet car gas.

What else could we want?

Well, besides two more seats, of course! :)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[john smith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Hey, we absolutely LOVE our Pathfinder. Until the kids are grown, I simply
> can't imagine another plane filling our needs as well as Atlas does -- he's
> a brawny beast that will carry ANYTHING we can fit inside, relatively
> quickly, in comfort, with a longer range than our bladders -- and he happily
> sips that sweet car gas.
> What else could we want?
> Well, besides two more seats, of course! :)

Obviously, the hotel business in Iowa City is quite profitable. :-)

[Montblack]

("john smith" wrote)
> Obviously, the hotel business in Iowa City is quite profitable. :-)

Duh! The guy owns an airplane.

(Paraphrasing)
Don't talk about profits - talk about costs. Drive down the costs, and the
profits will take care of themselves. - Andrew Carnegie

At Oshkosh he sleeps in the rain/a tent, a mere 100 yards from a new Hilton
(controlling costs)

....but he eats meals at the Hilton.
(Costs, and waistlines, out of control!!)

He fly's back to Iowa City with a free pair of Lightspeeds offered to him.
(Hmm....profitable trip!)

--
Montblack

[Jay Honeck]

> Duh! The guy owns an airplane.

Which means I'm perennially-but-happily destitute...

> At Oshkosh he sleeps in the rain/a tent, a mere 100 yards from a new
Hilton
> (controlling costs)

Bah. Our smallest $59.95 suite is bigger than their LARGEST suite, and they
have little-bitty 2-cup coffee makers in the room. I'd rather sleep in my
tent...

> ...but he eats meals at the Hilton.
> (Costs, and waistlines, out of control!!)

Remember, it's all about avoiding Zaug's food. It was a sacrifice, but
someone had to make it... :)

> He fly's back to Iowa City with a free pair of Lightspeeds offered to him.
> (Hmm....profitable trip!)

Well, that would be true, except for the fact that -- because of
LightSpeed's generosity -- I felt like I had made a PROFIT on the trip.
This resulted in my purchasing WAY more GPS than I could afford -- which
resulted in my (once again) being perennially, but happily, broke...

This aviation thing is a terrible addiction... ;)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ross Richardson]

I am helping a friend build the Moose and it is 6 seater. He is putting
the radial engine on it. We have been at it since Nov of 2002.

Ross

Aaron Coolidge wrote:
>
>snip
>
> Isn't the Murphy Moose a 6-seater? How about that Lionheart biplane?
>
>

[Frank Stutzman]

Jay wrote:

> What else could we want?

> Well, besides two more seats, of course! :)

Let me list a few things why two planes are better than one:

1) you can fly #2 when #1 is in for a long annual
2) if your spouse flys, there is no arguements about who is PIC
3) if the above is true, you can go places in formation
4) plane #2 could be a plane that performs differently than #1 (e.g. #1 is
a cross country machine and #2 is a STOL on floats)
5) two planes probably arn't that much more expensive than a twin
6) with two planes you can dispose of income at twice the rate of one


I'm sure we can find more...




--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl" (still the only one in the hanger, sigh)
Hood River, OR

[Montblack]

Web pics?

How far along is the project? How far to go ....in years <g>.

--
Montblack

"Ross Richardson" <
> I am helping a friend build the Moose and it is 6 seater. He is putting
> the radial engine on it. We have been at it since Nov of 2002.

[C J Campbell]

"Aaron Coolidge" > wrote in message
...

| The TBM-700. The Cessna 208 Caravan (OK, it's an 8-seater).

Actually, the Caravan has eight passenger seats and two pilot seats. If not
flown in the US, the Caravan can have two more seats.

[Ross Richardson]

It's one of those 80% done with 80% to go. No web pictures. We are at
the point of doing all the controls. The aircraft is on wheels. But
there is a lot more to do. This started as a quick build, ha.

Ross

Montblack wrote:
>
> Web pics?
>
> How far along is the project? How far to go ....in years <g>.
>
> --
> Montblack
>
> "Ross Richardson" <
> > I am helping a friend build the Moose and it is 6 seater. He is putting
> > the radial engine on it. We have been at it since Nov of 2002.

[[email protected]]

On 28-Aug-2003, Thomas Borchert > wrote:

> > How about the Extra 400.
> >
>
> Have you checked useful load? Have you checked financial status of the
> company? Have you looked at it? ;-)
>
> Seriously, that thing has totally marginal useful load. With full fuel,
> even the pilot will only fit in barely.


According to Extra's web site, the EA400 has:

Useful Load: 1,254 lbs
Maximum Cruise Speed: 220 KTAS
Fuel (usable): 107 gals
Cruise Fuel Burn: 23 gal/hr

Payload with full fuel is thus 612 lbs, or 3 adults plus baggage. The
bigger problem with limited useful load is the hefty 23 gph cruise fuel
consumption. That limits endurance to about 3 hrs with IFR reserves, not
nearly enough for a high-flying pressurized plane. A fuel stop would be
needed for a trip longer than about 650 nm. Bigger tanks would help, but
then you WOULD be looking at marginal payload.

-Elliott Drucker

[Neal]

I've seen this one in person a few months ago. Really makes me wish I
had the money to build one myself, even if it is a high-wing ;-)

Ya'll were building the seats the day I was there. I think the
fuselage and tail structures were all complete, but I don't think the
wings were hung on it yet, and firewall-forward was still completely
missing.

On Thu, 28 Aug 2003 12:08:02 -0500, Ross Richardson >
wrote:

>It's one of those 80% done with 80% to go. No web pictures. We are at
>the point of doing all the controls. The aircraft is on wheels. But
>there is a lot more to do. This started as a quick build, ha.
>
>Ross
>
>Montblack wrote:
>>
>> Web pics?
>>
>> How far along is the project? How far to go ....in years <g>.
>>
>> --
>> Montblack
>>
>> "Ross Richardson" <
>> > I am helping a friend build the Moose and it is 6 seater. He is putting
>> > the radial engine on it. We have been at it since Nov of 2002.

[Mike Rapoport]

They list range as 1160nm.

Mike
MU-2

> wrote in message
...
>
> On 28-Aug-2003, Thomas Borchert > wrote:
>
> > > How about the Extra 400.
> > >
> >
> > Have you checked useful load? Have you checked financial status of the
> > company? Have you looked at it? ;-)
> >
> > Seriously, that thing has totally marginal useful load. With full fuel,
> > even the pilot will only fit in barely.
>
>
> According to Extra's web site, the EA400 has:
>
> Useful Load: 1,254 lbs
> Maximum Cruise Speed: 220 KTAS
> Fuel (usable): 107 gals
> Cruise Fuel Burn: 23 gal/hr
>
> Payload with full fuel is thus 612 lbs, or 3 adults plus baggage. The
> bigger problem with limited useful load is the hefty 23 gph cruise fuel
> consumption. That limits endurance to about 3 hrs with IFR reserves, not
> nearly enough for a high-flying pressurized plane. A fuel stop would be
> needed for a trip longer than about 650 nm. Bigger tanks would help, but
> then you WOULD be looking at marginal payload.
>
> -Elliott Drucker

[Mike Rapoport]

Sorta demonstrates that a bigger cabin, two more seats, retractible gear,
preasurization, radar, known ice and two sets of flight instruments all add
weight. Of course they add capability too.

I think that the Extra 400 has a useful weight of 1350lb anyway
http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/specs/extra400.html

Mike
MU-2



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:1CA3b.289551$YN5.202917@sccrnsc01...
> > According to Extra's web site, the EA400 has:
> >
> > Useful Load: 1,254 lbs
>
> Pshaw. How the heck can they call that a "6-seater"? My 4-seat
Pathfinder
> has a 1400+ pound useful load, for gosh sakes...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[[email protected]]

On 29-Aug-2003, "Mike Rapoport" > wrote:

> They list range as 1160nm.
>

Obviously, that no-reserve (and thus meaningless) figure is at maximum range
power setting, where fuel consumption will be far below 23 gph.

-Elliott Drucker

[[email protected]]

On 28-Aug-2003, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Pshaw. How the heck can they call that a "6-seater"? My 4-seat
> Pathfinder
> has a 1400+ pound useful load, for gosh sakes...


Jay,

Want to feel REALLY good about your plane? Consider this:

Comparing "useful load" on different airplane models is often misleading
because of different fuel economy. A far more useful comparison is maximum
payload when fueled for a given mission. For example, what is the payload
available for your Pathfinder when carrying fuel for a 500 nm trip with 1 hr
reserve? Probably about 1000 lbs, right? Enough for four 200 lb adults AND
200 lbs of luggage. Now THAT number really emphasizes your plane's
impressive load-carrying capabilities!

In an Extra 400 fueled for the same mission, maximum payload would only be
about 800 lbs. So, you either have to leave behind 200 lbs or make a fuel
stop. If you make that fuel stop, and assuming it takes 1.5 hrs, the
effective speed of the Extra is reduced to about the same as your
Pathfinder.

-Elliott Drucker

[Mike Rapoport]

They claim that the 1160nm range is at 55% power and includes (presumably
VFR) reserves.

Mike
MU-2


> wrote in message
...
>
> On 29-Aug-2003, "Mike Rapoport" > wrote:
>
> > They list range as 1160nm.
> >
>
> Obviously, that no-reserve (and thus meaningless) figure is at maximum
range
> power setting, where fuel consumption will be far below 23 gph.
>
> -Elliott Drucker

[Mike Rapoport]

Of course if there are five people...

Mike
MU-2


> wrote in message
...
>
> On 28-Aug-2003, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
> > Pshaw. How the heck can they call that a "6-seater"? My 4-seat
> > Pathfinder
> > has a 1400+ pound useful load, for gosh sakes...
>
>
> Jay,
>
> Want to feel REALLY good about your plane? Consider this:
>
> Comparing "useful load" on different airplane models is often misleading
> because of different fuel economy. A far more useful comparison is
maximum
> payload when fueled for a given mission. For example, what is the payload
> available for your Pathfinder when carrying fuel for a 500 nm trip with 1
hr
> reserve? Probably about 1000 lbs, right? Enough for four 200 lb adults
AND
> 200 lbs of luggage. Now THAT number really emphasizes your plane's
> impressive load-carrying capabilities!
>
> In an Extra 400 fueled for the same mission, maximum payload would only be
> about 800 lbs. So, you either have to leave behind 200 lbs or make a fuel
> stop. If you make that fuel stop, and assuming it takes 1.5 hrs, the
> effective speed of the Extra is reduced to about the same as your
> Pathfinder.
>
> -Elliott Drucker

[Montblack]

TBO Hours: 800 ???

--
Montblack


"Mike Rapoport"
>
> I think that the Extra 400 has a useful weight of 1350lb anyway
> http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/specs/extra400.html

[Mike Rapoport]

I think that is an error. The TBO of the Continental TSIOL 550-C is
2000hrs.

Mike
MU-2

"Montblack" > wrote in message
.. .
> TBO Hours: 800 ???
>
> --
> Montblack
>
>
> "Mike Rapoport"
> >
> > I think that the Extra 400 has a useful weight of 1350lb anyway
> > http://www.planeandpilotmag.com/content/specs/extra400.html
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Of course if there are five people...

Sure, sure. Burst my bubble... ;)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"