Aircraft Spruce and Jim Irwin

[Larry Smith]

Jim, you and your company were quite courteous on a prop bolt exchange, so I
was gonna order some more mdse. And still hope to, even after this. This
morning I tried to order a Concorde battery for a friend's 172, and the
surly woman in Griffin rejected the card, for curious reasons.

After a call to Desser (Memphis) the order is complete and the battery said
to be on its way. Same card too. There's only 20k in that account. That
ought to cover a $100 battery.

Y'all not taking debit card purchases any more?

[Kyle Boatright]

"Larry Smith" > wrote in message
...
> Jim, you and your company were quite courteous on a prop bolt exchange, so
I
> was gonna order some more mdse. And still hope to, even after this.
This
> morning I tried to order a Concorde battery for a friend's 172, and the
> surly woman in Griffin rejected the card, for curious reasons.
>
> After a call to Desser (Memphis) the order is complete and the battery
said
> to be on its way. Same card too. There's only 20k in that account.
That
> ought to cover a $100 battery.
>
> Y'all not taking debit card purchases any more?

It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit cards
get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches in
the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the credit
card company.

[Ron Natalie]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message t...

> It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
> instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit cards
> get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches in
> the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the credit
> card company.

Tell me about it. Three times in the last three months, I've had security alerts
on my account. One time was that Margy's ISP has been submitting charges
with an expired expiration date for the past 6 months and VISA finally caught on
and started rejecting them. But in addition to rejecting the bogus ISP charges,
they also started rejecting other charges. Never mind trying to call me to see
if my card was lost or otherwise compromised, just shut the blasted thing down.
The other times seem to be a lot of errors induced by (they claim) a damaged
stripe that trips some threshold after it happens enough times. Of course, again
they just shut off the card (at least one time they did try to call me). Of course,
it was only last week that they admitted it was probably a damaged card and
they might consider sending me another.

I understand all but the "surly" part.

[Stu Gotts]

On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:03:07 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
> wrote:

>It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
>instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit cards
>get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches in
>the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the credit
>card company.
>
That's news to me, and yes, I accept credit cards in my business
daily! Maybe Mrs. Hitler made a mistake so an authorization wasn't
possible.
>

[Kyle Boatright]

"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:03:07 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
> > wrote:
>
> >It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
> >instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit
cards
> >get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches
in
> >the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the credit
> >card company.
> >
> That's news to me, and yes, I accept credit cards in my business
> daily! Maybe Mrs. Hitler made a mistake so an authorization wasn't
> possible.
> >
>

You've never accidentally rejected a card or had a personal card mistakenly
rejected? I can think of at least 3 times in my life (once at a gas pump
last weekend) when a viable card has been rejected.

KB

[David Hill]

Kyle Boatright wrote:

> It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
> instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit cards
> get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches in
> the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the credit
> card company.

For me, I don't care what the problem is, if someone, *especially*
someone I'm trying to give business to, acts like a jerk, the business
goes elsewhere.

As for airing dirty laundry, I took it as letting others know of a
problem. I would do the same, just so that others might be warned if
there is a continuing pattern of 'surliness.'

Of course, I'd *also* make sure whoever's in charge hears about it
directly.
--
David Hill
david at hillREMOVETHISfamily.org
Sautee-Nacoochee, GA, USA

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[Stu Gotts]

On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:06:03 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
> wrote:

>
>"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:03:07 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
>> >instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit
>cards
>> >get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches
>in
>> >the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the credit
>> >card company.
>> >
>> That's news to me, and yes, I accept credit cards in my business
>> daily! Maybe Mrs. Hitler made a mistake so an authorization wasn't
>> possible.
>> >
>>
>
>You've never accidentally rejected a card or had a personal card mistakenly
>rejected? I can think of at least 3 times in my life (once at a gas pump
>last weekend) when a viable card has been rejected.

Your statement was that credit cards get randomly rejected at times,
and my reply was a nice way to say "bull****". If the reader is dirty
or the card has been demagnetized, it won't work. If you call or
punch a number in, they will not get randomly rejected. If the card
was good (as it appeared in this instance) the operator made a
mistake.

[Neal]

On Wed, 8 Oct 2003 10:11:24 -0400, "Larry Smith"
> wrote:

>
>Y'all not taking debit card purchases any more?
>

Just an opinion here I feel compelled to share: I *never* use a debit
card for online purchases, or mail-order purchases either, since the
same computer system is generally used by the vendor for both, and
being a computer & network-security kind of guy, I must always assume
that any computer system that is not run by myself must be too easily
hackable to be trusted with my debit card account number. The only
place I ever use my debit card is at the one ATM machine at my bank. I
just consider it too risky to use freely elsewhere.

If some evildoer fraudulently uses your debit card number it may be
possible for them to suck large amounts of money out of your account
before anyone notices, and you may be liable for up to $500 of the
loss instead of $50 as with a credit card, unless you report the
unauthorized activity within two days.

I keep one dedicated credit card for use exclusively for online and
mail order purchases and use it for nothing else, and try to exercise
restraint in keeping the balance paid off every month.

[Dennis O'Connor]

The cash register card readers at the local Meijers store constantly reject
my card, even after several swipes... While the card readers in their gas
pumps out front cheerfully accept the card every time, without fail... The
trick I learned from one of the cashiers is to fold a thin plastic
merchandise bag over the card and swipe it through the reader slot - you
would expect it to fail to read through a layer of plastic - but it works
like a champ..
Denny

"Stu Gotts" > wrote in
Especially since credit
> >cards
> >> >get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of
glitches
> >in
> >> >the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the
credit
> >> >card company.

[Gig Giacona]

"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:03:07 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
> > wrote:
>
> >It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
> >instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit
cards
> >get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches
in
> >the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the credit
> >card company.
> >
> That's news to me, and yes, I accept credit cards in my business
> daily! Maybe Mrs. Hitler made a mistake so an authorization wasn't
> possible.
> >
>

ACS uses a system that not only does the authorization as the normal swipe
system does but also matches the Bill To information (Numbers in the Street
Address, Zip Code and maybe Phone number) to what the card company has in
their records. No Match/No Authorization.

With Debit cards many banks don't release that info to the system so you get
a refused card.

[Ron Natalie]

"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message ...

> Your statement was that credit cards get randomly rejected at times,
> and my reply was a nice way to say "bull****". If the reader is dirty
> or the card has been demagnetized, it won't work. If you call or
> punch a number in, they will not get randomly rejected. If the card
> was good (as it appeared in this instance) the operator made a
> mistake.

Random is probably a bad word, hardly anything is trully random.
But cards on an uncompromiesed, good standing account do get
declined for stupid assed security reasons that are unrelated to the
current transaction.

[alexy]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote:

>
>"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
>> On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:03:07 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
>> >instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit
>cards
>> >get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches
>in
>> >the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the credit
>> >card company.
>> >
>> That's news to me, and yes, I accept credit cards in my business
>> daily! Maybe Mrs. Hitler made a mistake so an authorization wasn't
>> possible.
>> >
>>
>
>You've never accidentally rejected a card or had a personal card mistakenly
>rejected? I can think of at least 3 times in my life (once at a gas pump
>last weekend) when a viable card has been rejected.
>
>KB
>
For me, it was last Monday. Free pass to the movies after it declined
one credit card (that was current) and two debit cards (on accounts
with adequate balances) and the theater manager's card. Unfortunately,
the concession stand accepted them, so no free food.
--
Alex
Make the obvious change in the return address to reply by email.

[Montblack]

("alexy" wrote)
> For me, it was last Monday. Free pass to the movies after it declined
> one credit card (that was current) and two debit cards (on accounts
> with adequate balances) and the theater manager's card. Unfortunately,
> the concession stand accepted them, so no free food.

At Christmas time, cards will get rejected if too many purchases have been
made in X time period. We'd see it all-the-time at my friend's Play-It-Again
Sports store. 2 out of 3 rejections were for that reason. We figured it out,
after a while, that number of uses (in a short time) was more important than
$ amount - in disqualifying a card.

Movies (and concession stand) on credit cards? :-)

I'm torn. Going to movies ...very good. Credit card ...bad.

--
Montblack
"I like to watch"

[alexy]

"Montblack" > wrote:

>("alexy" wrote)
>> For me, it was last Monday. Free pass to the movies after it declined
>> one credit card (that was current) and two debit cards (on accounts
>> with adequate balances) and the theater manager's card. Unfortunately,
>> the concession stand accepted them, so no free food.
>
>At Christmas time, cards will get rejected if too many purchases have been
>made in X time period. We'd see it all-the-time at my friend's Play-It-Again
>Sports store. 2 out of 3 rejections were for that reason. We figured it out,
>after a while, that number of uses (in a short time) was more important than
>$ amount - in disqualifying a card.
>
>Movies (and concession stand) on credit cards? :-)
>
>I'm torn. Going to movies ...very good. Credit card ...bad.

Agreed. But now for "The Rest of the Story (TM)":

The ATM was "unable to dispense cash at this time"
One of the debit cards I tried was on another bank, but the bank whose
ATM I tired may have been the bank of the theater Co, which might
explain things.
--
Alex
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[Ron Natalie]

"Montblack" > wrote in message ...

> Movies (and concession stand) on credit cards? :-)
>
It has the advantage that you can avoid the gum chewing disinterested teenager
selling the cash tickets (and the inherent line) and pop right up to the ATM-like
ticket vending machine (it's also the way you claim your tickets when you purchase
them online in advance of getting to the theatre).

[Tina Marie]

In article >, Neal wrote:
> I keep one dedicated credit card for use exclusively for online and
> mail order purchases and use it for nothing else, and try to exercise
> restraint in keeping the balance paid off every month.

I've got a CitiCard, and they offer 'one-time-only' credit card numbers.
You just log onto the web site (or use their application), and it'll give
you an account number that's valid for one use, with an expiration date
one month away. It's great for online purchases.

The only time it doesn't work is with things like pizza delivery, where
you need to show a card to the driver, since the numbers won't match.

Tina Marie

[John Godwin]

Tina Marie > wrote in
:

> I've got a CitiCard, and they offer 'one-time-only' credit card numbers.
> You just log onto the web site (or use their application), and it'll give
> you an account number that's valid for one use, with an expiration date
> one month away. It's great for online purchases.

American Express has offered this for quite a while. The only problem I've
run into is their poor server response sometimes when I'm trying to get a
number; the expiration month given is for the current month. I agree that
it's a boon for online purchases.

--
John Godwin
Silicon Rallye Inc.

[Mike Rapoport]

What kills me is when MBNA puts the alert on my AOPA card because there is
$500 charged at three different airports 800nm apart. It almost has to be
me! In addition, the only thing EVER charged on that card is fuel purchases
between $400 and $800.

Mike
MU-2


"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
m...
>
> "Kyle Boatright" > wrote in
message t...
>
> > It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
> > instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit
cards
> > get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of glitches
in
> > the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the
credit
> > card company.
>
> Tell me about it. Three times in the last three months, I've had
security alerts
> on my account. One time was that Margy's ISP has been submitting charges
> with an expired expiration date for the past 6 months and VISA finally
caught on
> and started rejecting them. But in addition to rejecting the bogus ISP
charges,
> they also started rejecting other charges. Never mind trying to call me
to see
> if my card was lost or otherwise compromised, just shut the blasted thing
down.
> The other times seem to be a lot of errors induced by (they claim) a
damaged
> stripe that trips some threshold after it happens enough times. Of
course, again
> they just shut off the card (at least one time they did try to call me).
Of course,
> it was only last week that they admitted it was probably a damaged card
and
> they might consider sending me another.
>
> I understand all but the "surly" part.
>
>

[Mike Rapoport]

I don't think that anybody else is referring to card readers being unable to
read the card as "rejecting the transaction. What people are talking about
is when the credit card company rejects the transaction based on some arcane
formula designed to prevent unauthorized misuse.

Mike
MU-2


"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:06:03 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:03:07 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> >It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
> >> >instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit
> >cards
> >> >get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of
glitches
> >in
> >> >the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the
credit
> >> >card company.
> >> >
> >> That's news to me, and yes, I accept credit cards in my business
> >> daily! Maybe Mrs. Hitler made a mistake so an authorization wasn't
> >> possible.
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >You've never accidentally rejected a card or had a personal card
mistakenly
> >rejected? I can think of at least 3 times in my life (once at a gas pump
> >last weekend) when a viable card has been rejected.
>
> Your statement was that credit cards get randomly rejected at times,
> and my reply was a nice way to say "bull****". If the reader is dirty
> or the card has been demagnetized, it won't work. If you call or
> punch a number in, they will not get randomly rejected. If the card
> was good (as it appeared in this instance) the operator made a
> mistake.

[Stu Gotts]

No, but if you took the time to read the original (and earlier)
message(s), the poster said the card was rejected, then he made the
purchase from another vendor with the same card a few minutes later.
That morphed into how this card could have actually been rejected, and
not some theoretical, in this instance "arcane formula designed to
prevent unauthorized misuse" (I guess as opposed to authorized misuse,
like our wives do).



On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 14:23:08 GMT, "Mike Rapoport"
> wrote:

>I don't think that anybody else is referring to card readers being unable to
>read the card as "rejecting the transaction. What people are talking about
>is when the credit card company rejects the transaction based on some arcane
>formula designed to prevent unauthorized misuse.
>
>Mike
>MU-2
>
>
>"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 09 Oct 2003 00:06:03 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> On Wed, 08 Oct 2003 17:03:07 GMT, "Kyle Boatright"
>> >> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >It ain't that hard to get Jim Irwin on the phone. You should try it
>> >> >instead of airing dirty laundry in this forum. Especially since credit
>> >cards
>> >> >get randomly rejected from time to time, based on any number of
>glitches
>> >in
>> >> >the systems that span the distance between the card reader and the
>credit
>> >> >card company.
>> >> >
>> >> That's news to me, and yes, I accept credit cards in my business
>> >> daily! Maybe Mrs. Hitler made a mistake so an authorization wasn't
>> >> possible.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >You've never accidentally rejected a card or had a personal card
>mistakenly
>> >rejected? I can think of at least 3 times in my life (once at a gas pump
>> >last weekend) when a viable card has been rejected.
>>
>> Your statement was that credit cards get randomly rejected at times,
>> and my reply was a nice way to say "bull****". If the reader is dirty
>> or the card has been demagnetized, it won't work. If you call or
>> punch a number in, they will not get randomly rejected. If the card
>> was good (as it appeared in this instance) the operator made a
>> mistake.
>

[Ron Natalie]

"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message ...
> No, but if you took the time to read the original (and earlier)
> message(s), the poster said the card was rejected, then he made the
> purchase from another vendor with the same card a few minutes later.

Beleive me it happens.

[Gig Giacona]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
> > No, but if you took the time to read the original (and earlier)
> > message(s), the poster said the card was rejected, then he made the
> > purchase from another vendor with the same card a few minutes later.
>
> Beleive me it happens.

Guys, what was wrong with the transaction was explained by ACS. Go back a
few posts.

Can't we all just get along?

[Ron Natalie]

"Gig Giacona" > wrote in message ...
>
> "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
> ...
> > > No, but if you took the time to read the original (and earlier)
> > > message(s), the poster said the card was rejected, then he made the
> > > purchase from another vendor with the same card a few minutes later.
> >
> > Beleive me it happens.
>
> Guys, what was wrong with the transaction was explained by ACS. Go back a
> few posts.
>
> Can't we all just get along?
>
We would if you would keep your insults to yourself.

[Gig Giacona]

"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "Gig Giacona" > wrote in message
...
> >
> > "Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > > No, but if you took the time to read the original (and earlier)
> > > > message(s), the poster said the card was rejected, then he made the
> > > > purchase from another vendor with the same card a few minutes later.
> > >
> > > Beleive me it happens.
> >
> > Guys, what was wrong with the transaction was explained by ACS. Go back
a
> > few posts.
> >
> > Can't we all just get along?
> >
> We would if you would keep your insults to yourself.
>
>

Ron,

Of what insult do you speak?