airplane hangars

[geo]

http://monolithicdome.com/gallery/commercial/hangars03/index.html
Monolithic Dome Airplane Hangars

[goo]

Fantastic concept, however as a homebuilder I think that my little pile of
unfinished aluminium and cloth is probably going to be a tad out of place in
this. (I will have to stick to dismantling it and storing it in my garage
at home.)



"geo" > wrote in message
...
> http://monolithicdome.com/gallery/commercial/hangars03/index.html
> Monolithic Dome Airplane Hangars
>
>

[EDR]

In article >, geo >
wrote:

> http://monolithicdome.com/gallery/commercial/hangars03/index.html
> Monolithic Dome Airplane Hangars

Pffft!
We built our hangar from $20 plans.
No door, total cost was a little less than $3000.
This includes the crushed limestone apron and hangar floor.

[Eric Miller]

Why build at all? Just encase your kit or raw materials inside a solid mound
of concrete for eternity and *say* there's an airplane within.
Who could prove you wrong?

Eric

[Neal]

A problem I can see is given that hangar plots at airports are usually
rectangular-shaped, you usually try to maximixe use of the land and
squeeze in as many hangars in as you can, with walls adjoining one
another. Round hangars will waste a lot of ground surface area around
them.

I'd rather see a standard rectangular-shaped hangar, but perhaps built
with this stuff for the exterior walls and roof:

http://www.agriboard.com/brochure.html
http://www.agriboard.com/pdfs/tornado.pdf
http://www.agriboard.com/fires.html

[Bill Daniels]

Well, you could combine the dome hangar with this idea:
http://www.carouselhangars.com/

Bill Daniels

"Neal" > wrote in message
...
>
> A problem I can see is given that hangar plots at airports are usually
> rectangular-shaped, you usually try to maximixe use of the land and
> squeeze in as many hangars in as you can, with walls adjoining one
> another. Round hangars will waste a lot of ground surface area around
> them.
>
> I'd rather see a standard rectangular-shaped hangar, but perhaps built
> with this stuff for the exterior walls and roof:
>
> http://www.agriboard.com/brochure.html
> http://www.agriboard.com/pdfs/tornado.pdf
> http://www.agriboard.com/fires.html

[Juan_Jimenez]

But round hangars can be configured to be much more efficient than square
hangars. Just add one of these. :)

http://www.carouselhangars.com/

Juan

"Neal" > wrote in message
...
>
> A problem I can see is given that hangar plots at airports are usually
> rectangular-shaped, you usually try to maximixe use of the land and
> squeeze in as many hangars in as you can, with walls adjoining one
> another. Round hangars will waste a lot of ground surface area around
> them.
>
> I'd rather see a standard rectangular-shaped hangar, but perhaps built
> with this stuff for the exterior walls and roof:
>
> http://www.agriboard.com/brochure.html
> http://www.agriboard.com/pdfs/tornado.pdf
> http://www.agriboard.com/fires.html

[Juan_Jimenez]

Argh! Beat me to it! :)

"Bill Daniels" > wrote in message
k.net...
> Well, you could combine the dome hangar with this idea:
> http://www.carouselhangars.com/
>
> Bill Daniels
>
> "Neal" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > A problem I can see is given that hangar plots at airports are usually
> > rectangular-shaped, you usually try to maximixe use of the land and
> > squeeze in as many hangars in as you can, with walls adjoining one
> > another. Round hangars will waste a lot of ground surface area around
> > them.
> >
> > I'd rather see a standard rectangular-shaped hangar, but perhaps built
> > with this stuff for the exterior walls and roof:
> >
> > http://www.agriboard.com/brochure.html
> > http://www.agriboard.com/pdfs/tornado.pdf
> > http://www.agriboard.com/fires.html
>

[Bill]

My partner and I pay $45/mo for our "tie down space" and on it we placed a
concrete pad plus a COVERIT hangar.
Awesome.
Took about a month to do but it sure beats keeping our bird out in the rain
and hail.
pics at www.myplaneonline.com/N9230S.html
Bill

[Jay Honeck]

> My partner and I pay $45/mo for our "tie down space" and on it we placed a
> concrete pad plus a COVERIT hangar.
> Awesome.

Wow -- that's BIG. How did the airport feel about you constructing a hangar
like this on your tie-down space?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[geo]

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, geo >
> wrote:
>
> > http://monolithicdome.com/gallery/commercial/hangars03/index.html
> > Monolithic Dome Airplane Hangars
>
> Pffft!
> We built our hangar from $20 plans.
> No door, total cost was a little less than $3000.
> This includes the crushed limestone apron and hangar floor.

You can spend less than that on a basic version just using rebar, concrete &
the airform and it would be much stronger. Or you can go whole hog with the
insulated version with electronic sliding door, etc. It's a very flexible
system.

[Bill]

FULL SUPPORT.. They even repaid me for the materials to run electric and
water to it !
The way they look at it is :
1: The is a waiting list of about 10 people for their open air hangars.
2: I probably will not take it with me, sell it to either the airport or
someoen else if I move
3: Makes the airport look better.. More planes and I did all the
landscaping and tree clearing so they get a concete tiedown if I do move !
It's called a "portable" hangar so no building permit needed.
Bill
Charlotte NC
Sundowner N9230S

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:aQpjb.783354$Ho3.210333@sccrnsc03...
> > My partner and I pay $45/mo for our "tie down space" and on it we placed
a
> > concrete pad plus a COVERIT hangar.
> > Awesome.
>
> Wow -- that's BIG. How did the airport feel about you constructing a
hangar
> like this on your tie-down space?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[john smith]

Bill wrote:
> FULL SUPPORT.. They even repaid me for the materials to run electric and
> water to it !
> The way they look at it is :
> 1: The is a waiting list of about 10 people for their open air hangars.
> 2: I probably will not take it with me, sell it to either the airport or
> someoen else if I move
> 3: Makes the airport look better.. More planes and I did all the
> landscaping and tree clearing so they get a concete tiedown if I do move !
> It's called a "portable" hangar so no building permit needed.
> Bill
> Charlotte NC
> Sundowner N9230S

How long does the cover last before UV eats it up?
What is the wind loading like?
How well is it anchored?

[john smith]

geo wrote:
> You can spend less than that on a basic version just using rebar, concrete &
> the airform and it would be much stronger. Or you can go whole hog with the
> insulated version with electronic sliding door, etc. It's a very flexible
> system.

Foam concrete (or concrete foam)?
Come to think of it, one could use the construction methods used by
college Civil Engineering departments to fabricate concrete canoes and
entrained air to create a lightweight structure.
The airform would provide the support for the couple layers, then spray
on the successive layers.
That would be an interesting college challenge problem.
Materials could be donated, the military would provide research grants.
Forget the college challenge, I'll just apply for the grant!

[Paul Sengupta]

Can I ask how much that cost? Just the bit on top, not the whole
deal. I would like to put one of these things where my plane is
parked.

Paul

"Bill" > wrote in message
...
> My partner and I pay $45/mo for our "tie down space" and on it we placed a
> concrete pad plus a COVERIT hangar.

[Mark]

The Cover-it hangars are nice but........ Here in MD we lost around 8
or 9 to the big snow storm in Feb. We received about 24" to 28" of
snow which colapsed several hangars, split the cloth or did some other
type of damage. From what was left of those hurricane Isabelle
finished them off. I have the ugly pictures if you're interested.
Unfortunately we lost several planes that were in those hangars.

Now having said that, I own one myself and it survived all of this
just fine. I have the oldest on the field (around '96 not sure, I
bought it used) and it's still on it's original cover. The hangar next
to me is the newest Cover-it on the field and it also made it through
just fine.

I think what saved ours and a couple others is the fact that we have
ours mounted on concrete slabs. I used Red Hat concrete anchor bolts
on all of the legs of the hangar. My hangar was originally on grass
when I bought it and I poured a slab in April of '02 and moved the
hangar to the slab, a job in itself!

My hangar is 35' wide and 25' deep and my neighbors' is 45' wide and
35' deep. I do have a couple of pin holes in the cover here and there
but they do not cause a problem so far. The only trouble I'm having is
with the zippers which are starting to wear out. I hope to get at
least a couple more years out of the cover.

Mark

Cherokee 140 in the hangar
Zenith 601XL in progress in the garage

On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 02:55:28 GMT, john smith > wrote:

>Bill wrote:
>> FULL SUPPORT.. They even repaid me for the materials to run electric and
>> water to it !
>> The way they look at it is :
>> 1: The is a waiting list of about 10 people for their open air hangars.
>> 2: I probably will not take it with me, sell it to either the airport or
>> someoen else if I move
>> 3: Makes the airport look better.. More planes and I did all the
>> landscaping and tree clearing so they get a concete tiedown if I do move !
>> It's called a "portable" hangar so no building permit needed.
>> Bill
>> Charlotte NC
>> Sundowner N9230S
>
>How long does the cover last before UV eats it up?
>What is the wind loading like?
>How well is it anchored?

[G.R. Patterson III]

Bill wrote:
>
> My partner and I pay $45/mo for our "tie down space" and on it we placed a
> concrete pad plus a COVERIT hangar.

I had plans to do something like that when I bought my Maule. Unfortunately,
the new airport owner said he "didn't want a tent city out there" and canned the
idea. In the meantime, the ultralight people started setting up all sorts of
homemade covers 100 yards away from me.

A few years later, when I was getting ready to move the plane to Old Bridge,
he came around and said he'd changed his mind. I could set up my hangar. By that
time, the paint had been gone from the flaps for years, and the rest of the
plane wasn't looking too good either.

I just thanked him and hurried up the move.

George Patterson
To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too much
could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[red12049]

If thats' Old Bridge, NJ, I used to live up that way and got my ticket
there...

Red


"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Bill wrote:
> >
> > My partner and I pay $45/mo for our "tie down space" and on it we placed
a
> > concrete pad plus a COVERIT hangar.
>
> I had plans to do something like that when I bought my Maule.
Unfortunately,
> the new airport owner said he "didn't want a tent city out there" and
canned the
> idea. In the meantime, the ultralight people started setting up all sorts
of
> homemade covers 100 yards away from me.
>
> A few years later, when I was getting ready to move the plane to Old
Bridge,
> he came around and said he'd changed his mind. I could set up my hangar.
By that
> time, the paint had been gone from the flaps for years, and the rest of
the
> plane wasn't looking too good either.
>
> I just thanked him and hurried up the move.
>
> George Patterson
> To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too
much
> could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[Jimmy Galvin]

I have been thinking of building a Cover-It hanger by utilizing a 10' x 20'
+/- domed style car garage to cover the tail and empennage up to the wings
and then using 2 sections of their lattice arch 10' +/- attached in front to
cover the wings forward. This should cost significantly less than a full
lattice hanger and much easier to move. What do you guys think?

[G.R. Patterson III]

red12049 wrote:
>
> If thats' Old Bridge, NJ, I used to live up that way and got my ticket
> there...

Yep, that's where I am now. They've added hangars recently, with more under
construction. The maintenance shop is gone, and the place is pretty full since
Marlboro closed. Two training schools there, though.

George Patterson
To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too much
could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[red12049]

Thanks for the memories..... when I lived up that way, the "maintenance
shop" was an outdoor storage shed that they stuck the nose into.... The
FBO's office was an old mobile home, and they had just put up the first of
new hangars when I was leaving the area, before that, there were none.
Marlboro was a pretty little field, shame they gave in.... Flew a few times
out of Colts Neck.....was a mud bog every time it rained..... only time I
ever saw a C-150 stuck in the mud.....by an instructor no less..... Haven't
been up there in years.... used to live in South Amboy.... how are things
up that way now?

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> red12049 wrote:
> >
> > If thats' Old Bridge, NJ, I used to live up that way and got my ticket
> > there...
>
> Yep, that's where I am now. They've added hangars recently, with more
under
> construction. The maintenance shop is gone, and the place is pretty full
since
> Marlboro closed. Two training schools there, though.
>
> George Patterson
> To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too
much
> could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[G.R. Patterson III]

red12049 wrote:
>
> Thanks for the memories..... when I lived up that way, the "maintenance
> shop" was an outdoor storage shed that they stuck the nose into.... The
> FBO's office was an old mobile home, and they had just put up the first of
> new hangars when I was leaving the area, before that, there were none.

They have six or seven sets of T-hangars, each with 8 hangars. One more set is
being constructed. They have a three story derelict building that looks like
a control tower and was supposed to eventually become a restaurant. There are
also two hangars large enough to comfortably hold the biggest light twin Cessna
makes. One of those used to be the maintenance shop. The office and an attached
medium sized hangar are near the fuel pump, more or less in the center of the
field. I hear they have plans for expanding into an area now used for parking
the remains of cars crushed during shows at the dragstrip.

Business at the maintenance shop was so good that the shop was always full with
at least six planes being worked on outside. The shop owner wanted to expand
into the other large hangar, which is being used by the airport manager. The
airport manager wanted to put another twin into the maintenance shop. Guess who
won?

What with Marlboro closing, all of the tiedowns near the office that used to be
available for transients now have permanent tenants, and they've sunk tiedown
rings in the turnaround at the west end of the runway. It's pretty packed. The
owners haven't raised prices, however.

> Marlboro was a pretty little field, shame they gave in.... Flew a few times
> out of Colts Neck.....

Colts Neck hasn't been on a sectional in at least three years. I wouldn't even
know where to look for it. Marlboro's still there but Xed out. The way the
McMansions are going up across the road, though, it won't be long before they
plow it under.

> used to live in South Amboy.... how are things
> up that way now?

I don't really know the area that well - I live in Middletown. Things are pretty
depressed with the collapse in the Telecom area. The major players in that are
still laying off at times, but not as badly as 2002. My former employer is about
half the size it once was - that alone put about 4,000 people out of work. The
Times ran an article a couple weeks back entitled "Want a Job? Start Packing.",
so it doesn't look encouraging in the near future. On the plus side, there's
been an increase in the service area. Lots of people have decided to fix up
their current homes rather than move. I'm building up a home repair service
myself.

George Patterson
To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too much
could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[red12049]

George,

Glad to hear that you are recovering, and hope that all goes well. BTW, Old
Bridge used to have a lake for float planes. When New Jersey basically
outlawed landing them, it was used as a practice area for exhibition water
skiers. Is it still there or have they filled it in?


"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> red12049 wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for the memories..... when I lived up that way, the
"maintenance
> > shop" was an outdoor storage shed that they stuck the nose into.... The
> > FBO's office was an old mobile home, and they had just put up the first
of
> > new hangars when I was leaving the area, before that, there were none.
>
> They have six or seven sets of T-hangars, each with 8 hangars. One more
set is
> being constructed. They have a three story derelict building that looks
like
> a control tower and was supposed to eventually become a restaurant. There
are
> also two hangars large enough to comfortably hold the biggest light twin
Cessna
> makes. One of those used to be the maintenance shop. The office and an
attached
> medium sized hangar are near the fuel pump, more or less in the center of
the
> field. I hear they have plans for expanding into an area now used for
parking
> the remains of cars crushed during shows at the dragstrip.
>
> Business at the maintenance shop was so good that the shop was always full
with
> at least six planes being worked on outside. The shop owner wanted to
expand
> into the other large hangar, which is being used by the airport manager.
The
> airport manager wanted to put another twin into the maintenance shop.
Guess who
> won?
>
> What with Marlboro closing, all of the tiedowns near the office that used
to be
> available for transients now have permanent tenants, and they've sunk
tiedown
> rings in the turnaround at the west end of the runway. It's pretty packed.
The
> owners haven't raised prices, however.
>
> > Marlboro was a pretty little field, shame they gave in.... Flew a few
times
> > out of Colts Neck.....
>
> Colts Neck hasn't been on a sectional in at least three years. I wouldn't
even
> know where to look for it. Marlboro's still there but Xed out. The way the
> McMansions are going up across the road, though, it won't be long before
they
> plow it under.
>
> > used to live in South Amboy.... how are things
> > up that way now?
>
> I don't really know the area that well - I live in Middletown. Things are
pretty
> depressed with the collapse in the Telecom area. The major players in that
are
> still laying off at times, but not as badly as 2002. My former employer is
about
> half the size it once was - that alone put about 4,000 people out of work.
The
> Times ran an article a couple weeks back entitled "Want a Job? Start
Packing.",
> so it doesn't look encouraging in the near future. On the plus side,
there's
> been an increase in the service area. Lots of people have decided to fix
up
> their current homes rather than move. I'm building up a home repair
service
> myself.
>
> George Patterson
> To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too
much
> could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.

[G.R. Patterson III]

red12049 wrote:
>
> Glad to hear that you are recovering, and hope that all goes well. BTW, Old
> Bridge used to have a lake for float planes. When New Jersey basically
> outlawed landing them, it was used as a practice area for exhibition water
> skiers. Is it still there or have they filled it in?

At least part of it is still there, and I see skiers on it occasionally. I can't
imagine anyone landing a float plane on it, though, so it's probably smaller
than it used to be. Last time I was out at the airport, someone told me they
have plans to fill it in, but I have no idea whether the speaker actually knows
anything.

George Patterson
To a pilot, altitude is like money - it is possible that having too much
could prove embarassing, but having too little is always fatal.