Distance to Airport

[JimC]

I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot and
he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles away
and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
needed for the current job.

This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
driving to get there?

JimC

[Paul Sengupta]

55 miles. 1 hour.

Paul

"JimC" > wrote in message
...
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

[Kyle Boatright]

"JimC" > wrote in message
...
> I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
> would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot
and
> he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles
away
> and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
> are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> needed for the current job.
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC

Until a year ago, I lived 1/2 hour from the airport. Then I sold that
house, and purchased another that is 10 minutes from work and the airport.
Now a woman has come into the picture and I'm selling my neato new house and
making an intermediate move into *her* house which is an hour from the
airport. I think the "next" house, AKA the "compromise house" will be 40
minutes from the field. I may have to relocate the aircraft...

KB

[Al Gilson]

How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC


The airport with our plane is half way between me and work. Six miles to
the airport and another six miles to work from the airport. It's a 15
minute drive either way.

[Wayne]

2 miles to the airport from home. My work is on the airport as well.
Still though, I do the work on the plane at a different airport that's about
a 10 minute flight away. It's where the tools are....

Wayne

"JimC" > wrote in message
...
> I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
> would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot
and
> he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles
away
> and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
> are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> needed for the current job.
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

Home: Ten minutes.

Work: 30 seconds. ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mike Hammock]

12 miles and (usually) 25 minutes.
If I get caught in Atlanta rush hour(s), up to an hour....

JimC wrote:

>This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
>How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
>driving to get there?
>
>JimC
>
>

[Henry Bibb]

Good to know I'm not the only one. An hour for me, also.

Henry Bibb

"Paul Sengupta" > wrote in message
...
> 55 miles. 1 hour.
>
> Paul
>
> "JimC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> > driving to get there?
>
>

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "JimC"
> wrote:

> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

I live a little more than 6 miles from the hangar (by car). It's
about a 15-20 minute drive.

--
Bob Noel

[BTIZ]

distance to hanger from house.. about 6 steps..

:)

I wish.. but I know people who have that short walk..

BT


"JimC" > wrote in message
...
> I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
> would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot
and
> he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles
away
> and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
> are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> needed for the current job.
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC
>
>

[Robert A. Barker]

"JimC" > wrote in message
...

>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC
>
> I, like many others, so it seems, have a 25 t5o 30 min
drive to my plane. There is an airport 5 min away,but for
many reasons doesn't work out.

Bob Barker N8749S

[Bob Fry]

6-7 miles. Less than 15 minutes.

I used to live 3 miles away, that was great. Easy to decide to go
flying after work at the last second.

Then my flying club and I moved in opposite directions and I had a
drive like Paul. That sucked. After a year I quit and got my own
plane. What a difference. Besides being closer, my direct hourly cost
is a lot lower so I fly literally 4 times as much.

"Paul Sengupta" > writes:

> 55 miles. 1 hour.
>
> Paul
>
> "JimC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> > driving to get there?

[G.R. Patterson III]

JimC wrote:
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

Dunno the distance (I feel distance is unimportant in a State in which it takes
15 to 30 minutes to travel 5 miles). It takes me about 45 minutes to drive to
the airport.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[Frank Stutzman]

As the Beech flys, its less than 5 miles and 3 minutes from the house to the
airport.

As the blazer drives, its 15 miles, a half hour, several twisted mountain
roads, one state line, two bridges (one spanning the Columbia), three
towns, four stop signs, two stop lights and one security gate away.

Yes, I'd rather be flying.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

[Tom S.]

"JimC" > wrote in message
...
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

Regular Home: 28 miles, 25 minutes
Work: 4 miles, 10 minutes
Summer Home: 50 feet

[Tom S.]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:G9kob.113415$La.7461@fed1read02...
> distance to hanger from house.. about 6 steps..
>
> :)
>
> I wish.. but I know people who have that short walk..
>
> BT
>

http://www.airporthomes.com/viewhomes.htm

[Greg Burkhart]

There's an airport here in town (JYG) and one in the town I now work
in(FRM), but neither are where my plane is. My plane is about 30 miles north
(Y58) and I work 30 miles to the south so it takes over an hour to get from
work to the plane. :-(

I'd like to find a place to live and hangar space in the town that I
work....

"JimC" > wrote in message
...
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

[Montblack]

("JimC" wrote)
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

Two townhouse blocks to the stop sign. Turn right

5 blocks, past the playground and skating rink, to the 4-way. Go straight
1/2 mile long winding road out to the highway.
Wait at light ....and wait ...and wait.

Cross the highway, past post office - go less than a mile.
Enter the North Gate.

If I enter by the tower, then drive down to the south end - add another
mile.

No plane (yet) but I still end up over there a lot. ANE Anoka-Blaine, MN.

--
Montblack

[BTIZ]

http://www.airporthomes.com/hm0114.htm

you buying?
It's been on the market a long time..

BT

"Tom S." > wrote in message
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>
> "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> news:G9kob.113415$La.7461@fed1read02...
> > distance to hanger from house.. about 6 steps..
> >
> > :)
> >
> > I wish.. but I know people who have that short walk..
> >
> > BT
> >
>
> http://www.airporthomes.com/viewhomes.htm
>
>

[J. Severyn]

3 miles, 5 minutes. Yep, I make the trip back and forth lots of times when
the tool I need is at the other end. But 10 minutes round trip is OK. No
complaints.

John Severyn
N24495
LVK

[Montblack]

("BTIZ" wrote)
> http://www.airporthomes.com/hm0114.htm
>
> you buying?
> It's been on the market a long time..


http://www.airporthomes.com/images/hm0114/hm114-2.jpg

If clutter fills available space, this guy's in a "heap" of trouble!!

--
Montblack

[Scott Skylane]

5 minutes. I thought I wanted a home close to work, but ended up living
close to the plane. I'm very happy.

Happy Flying!
Scott Skylane
N92054

[Mike Z.]

I am in the same situation as Bob.

An airport 10 minutes away but my plane is 50 minutes.

Any truth to the saying "the further away the boat, the more you use it"?

Mike Z

"Robert A. Barker" > wrote in message news:YVkob.50262$275.127798@attbi_s53...
>
I, like many others, so it seems, have a 25 t5o 30 min
> drive to my plane. There is an airport 5 min away,but for
> many reasons doesn't work out.
>
> Bob Barker N8749S
>
>

[Dave Butler]

JimC wrote:

> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

Home, work, airport is an equilateral triangle, about 20 minutes per side.

[PaulaJay1]

In article et>, "Mike Z."
> writes:

>I am in the same situation as Bob.
>
>An airport 10 minutes away but my plane is 50 minutes.
>
>Any truth to the saying "the further away the boat, the more you use it"?

I have the same kind of choice.

I'm 10 minutes from KCLE, a class B with lots of in and out problems and high
cost of hanger.

I'm 30 minutes from KLPR, good choice but hanger is $250/month.

I'm 40 minutes from I64, OK airport with hanger at $100/month and cheap gas.

I'm at I64. <G>

Chuck

PS There is no question re the boat. I have several examples of people that
moved to the Lake Erie shore, kept the boat at the door, and then stopped using
it.

[Gene Seibel]

8 miles by air, 12 miles by road. 20 minutes.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.



> I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
> would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot and
> he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles away
> and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
> are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> needed for the current job.
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC

[G.R. Patterson III]

"Mike Z." wrote:
>
> Any truth to the saying "the further away the boat, the more you use it"?

I've not found that to be the case. I don't fly as often based at Old Bridge
as I did when I was based at Kupper. The drive to Kupper used to be 20 to 30
minutes. That to Old Bridge runs 45 minutes or a bit more. That extra hour of
driving time somehow makes it impossible to get anything else done on a flying
afternoon.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"JimC" > wrote:

> I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
> would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot and
> he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles away
> and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
> are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> needed for the current job.
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC
>
>



About 50 feet -- I used to live 50 mile from my plane in the People's
Republik of Kalifornia. That really got old!

We have a asaying that, if you've lived at Spruce Creek and die and go
to heaven, it is just a lateral trensfer.

[Paul Sengupta]

Heh, I've found this. My garden is overgrown with brambles,
my house is a mess and my cars need washing and polishing.
I find my whole day's shot...I tend not to get up early on
Saturdays anyway (see working time below...usually too tired
by Saturday!) and with an hour drive each way and it getting
dark early now...

And I was in work until 5.45am this morning working enough
overtime to pay for the damned plane! :-)

Paul
(5.30pm on a Friday evening now...just a few more hours to
do... :-) )

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
> That extra hour of
> driving time somehow makes it impossible to get anything else done on a
flying
> afternoon.

[CheckerBird_Neal]

15 minute drive, about 6 or 7 miles.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Paul Sengupta wrote:
>
> And I was in work until 5.45am this morning working enough
> overtime to pay for the damned plane! :-)

Reminds me of my father. He loved golf, and we lived across the street from a
country club. He took a second job to pay his links fees. Then he never had
time to play.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[g n p]

50 min. drive early Sat. morning or 1 hr 50 min. week days to go to my baby,
sitting out in the open, in a coastal airport, for 250$ a month. The pitts.
G. N. P., Socata Tampico Club, TB-9, SX-ADE

[[email protected]]

18 miles and about 20 minutes if traffic is reasonable and I hit the lights
right. Can be a bit longer if I'm unlucky. But I work at home, so it
balances out.

--
-Elliott Drucker

[JimC]

That's got to be one of the tougher situations. On the open ramp for
$250/month and a 50 to 110 minute drive? I guess I'll stop complaining
about my little 30 minute drive. My cost for tie-down is $45/month at a
pretty fancy FBO, so I'll not complain about that either.

I am surprised by how many people have a half hour or more trip to their
plane. A dedicated bunch we are.

JimC

"g n p" > wrote in message
...
> 50 min. drive early Sat. morning or 1 hr 50 min. week days to go to my
baby,
> sitting out in the open, in a coastal airport, for 250$ a month. The
pitts.
> G. N. P., Socata Tampico Club, TB-9, SX-ADE
>
>

[JimC]

I think I was at St. Augustine a couple of weeks ago and most of the Spruce
Creek gang up there for breakfast. I was wondering if there was an air show
planned until someone told me the real story. Too bad no one called ahead,
I think your gang pretty much overwhelmed the lady who was single handed in
running the restaurant!

JimC

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
.
...
> In article >,
> "JimC" > wrote:
>
> > I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice
it
> > would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot
and
> > he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles
away
> > and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when
you
> > are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> > needed for the current job.
> >
> > This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> > How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> > driving to get there?
> >
> > JimC
> >
> >
>
>
>
> About 50 feet -- I used to live 50 mile from my plane in the People's
> Republik of Kalifornia. That really got old!
>
> We have a asaying that, if you've lived at Spruce Creek and die and go
> to heaven, it is just a lateral trensfer.

[Tom S.]

"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:oSmob.113965$La.33060@fed1read02...
> http://www.airporthomes.com/hm0114.htm
>
> you buying?
> It's been on the market a long time..
>
> BT

Already got one in Overgaard, AZ.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/AZ82

>
> "Tom S." > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> > news:G9kob.113415$La.7461@fed1read02...
> > > distance to hanger from house.. about 6 steps..
> > >
> > > :)
> > >
> > > I wish.. but I know people who have that short walk..
> > >
> > > BT
> > >
> >
> > http://www.airporthomes.com/viewhomes.htm
> >
> >
>
>

[Nathan Young]

"JimC" > wrote in message >...
> I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
> would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot and
> he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles away
> and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
> are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> needed for the current job.
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC

6 miles, 12 minutes

-Nathan

[BTIZ]

works for me...

I'll let you know when I come down for a visit.. LOL
BT

"Tom S." > wrote in message
...
>
> "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> news:oSmob.113965$La.33060@fed1read02...
> > http://www.airporthomes.com/hm0114.htm
> >
> > you buying?
> > It's been on the market a long time..
> >
> > BT
>
> Already got one in Overgaard, AZ.
> http://www.airnav.com/airport/AZ82
>
> >
> > "Tom S." > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "BTIZ" > wrote in message
> > > news:G9kob.113415$La.7461@fed1read02...
> > > > distance to hanger from house.. about 6 steps..
> > > >
> > > > :)
> > > >
> > > > I wish.. but I know people who have that short walk..
> > > >
> > > > BT
> > > >
> > >
> > > http://www.airporthomes.com/viewhomes.htm
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[[email protected]]

300 feet, one minute walk.
John

[Dave]

35 miles, 35 minutes from home or office

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Aaron Coolidge
> wrote:

> I'm about 1 minute from the Marlborough, MA airport, but my plane's not
> based there. I'm based at 1b9, about a 35 minute drive from home.
> My partner has about a 65 minute drive. We've considered moving, but I
> dread hanscom/massport. We'll likely consider moving again, because of
> the new "Stalag 1B9" that's happened lately.

I don't know what they did at 1B9, but you probably still won't like
KBED with its airport badge program (with background checks).
It's $75 for the first badge, and they *think* it'll be $35 to
renew every two years. The good news is that we can finally drive
to our airplanes again. The bad news is that Massport is still
crying budget crisis even after almost doubling the hangar rents.

--
Bob Noel

[Javier Henderson]

"JimC" > writes:

> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

Five miles. 12 minutes if both lights are red.

-jav

[Javier Henderson]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> Work: 30 seconds. ;-)

Jay,

You suck.

-jav

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"JimC" > wrote:

> I think I was at St. Augustine a couple of weeks ago and most of the Spruce
> Creek gang up there for breakfast. I was wondering if there was an air show
> planned until someone told me the real story. Too bad no one called ahead,
> I think your gang pretty much overwhelmed the lady who was single handed in
> running the restaurant!
>
> JimC

Actually, we DID call ahead, but they didn't adjust. We do have quite a
collection of aircraft on Saturday mornings for breakfast!

Another haunt is TICO (TIX).






> "Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
> .
> ..
> > In article >,
> > "JimC" > wrote:
> >
> > > I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice
> it
> > > would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot
> and
> > > he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles
> away
> > > and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when
> you
> > > are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> > > needed for the current job.
> > >
> > > This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
> it?
> > > How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> > > driving to get there?
> > >
> > > JimC
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > About 50 feet -- I used to live 50 mile from my plane in the People's
> > Republik of Kalifornia. That really got old!
> >
> > We have a asaying that, if you've lived at Spruce Creek and die and go
> > to heaven, it is just a lateral trensfer.
>
>

[BTIZ]

where is Spruce Creek...

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "JimC" > wrote:
>
> > I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice
it
> > would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot
and
> > he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles
away
> > and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when
you
> > are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> > needed for the current job.
> >
> > This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> > How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> > driving to get there?
> >
> > JimC
> >
> >
>
>
>
> About 50 feet -- I used to live 50 mile from my plane in the People's
> Republik of Kalifornia. That really got old!
>
> We have a asaying that, if you've lived at Spruce Creek and die and go
> to heaven, it is just a lateral trensfer.

[Doug Vetter]

JimC wrote:
<snip>
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

Was 30 minutes, moved a couple years ago, now 15 minutes.

I fly more than I used to, but it has little to do with the distance
from the airport. I do have to admit, though, that it's nice to have a
short drive home after a long day of flying.

My crew partner travels about an hour.

-Doug

--
--------------------
Doug Vetter, CFIMEIA

http://www.dvcfi.com
--------------------

[Aaron Coolidge]

Bob Noel > wrote:

: I don't know what they did at 1B9, but you probably still won't like
: KBED with its airport badge program (with background checks).
: It's $75 for the first badge, and they *think* it'll be $35 to
: renew every two years. The good news is that we can finally drive
: to our airplanes again. The bad news is that Massport is still
: crying budget crisis even after almost doubling the hangar rents.

Hi Bob, we've got the badges also. Allegedly $50 for the first, then $25/year
after that. We got a fancy new motorized gate that's already broken (don'tcha
love the lowest bidders?), and guess where the funds come from to fix it:
badge renewals! This compares unfavorably with Plymouth, Taunton, Marshfield,
etc. I don't even think Fitchburg has a fence, and we've got a 10-footer
with rolls of razor wire and motorized surveilance cameras. Looks like
Bridgewater State Prison now.
Now we've gotten a long letter about our "responsibilities" as tennants,
we're supposed to read, agree to, and sign. My lawyer says it's junk.
This is a classic case of the airport commission trying to get rid of
the airport by making it so hard to use that people go elsewhere.
Management is marching in lock-step with the commission. Our fuel is now
more expensive than at Nantuckett or the Vineyard ($2.78).

Sadly, I think the hangar waiting list is about to go down by one. One of
my friends wrecked his plane in a landing accident last week, and he's
probably going to hang it up after 40+ years.

Regards,
--
Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article <N_Tob.120324$La.36469@fed1read02>,
"BTIZ" > wrote:

> where is Spruce Creek...


Just outside Daytona BEach, FL.

See: http://www.scpoa.com/ or:

www.Fly-In.com





> > In article >,
> > "JimC" > wrote:
> >
> > > I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice
> it
> > > would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot
> and
> > > he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles
> away
> > > and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when
> you
> > > are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> > > needed for the current job.
> > >
> > > This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
> it?
> > > How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> > > driving to get there?
> > >
> > > JimC
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > About 50 feet -- I used to live 50 mile from my plane in the People's
> > Republik of Kalifornia. That really got old!
> >
> > We have a asaying that, if you've lived at Spruce Creek and die and go
> > to heaven, it is just a lateral trensfer.
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> > Work: 30 seconds. ;-)
>
> You suck.

Thank you! :-)

Actually, it can be torture some days, knowing the plane is sitting there,
fully fueled and ready to go, less than a minute away...

But -- most days -- I wouldn't trade places with any of you!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[dutch]

I live downtown Chicago and don't have a car, and the plane is at KGYY, so I
1. Walk 12 minutes to train
2. 50 minute train ride - flight planning time
3. Walk 20 minutes from train to hangar

Train runs only on even hours back on the weekend, so I have to be careful
with timing - sometimes don't have time to re-fuel or clean the bugs off
when I get back. But not having a car sure helps pay for the Arrow.

[Jay Honeck]

> I live downtown Chicago and don't have a car, and the plane is at KGYY, so
I
> 1. Walk 12 minutes to train
> 2. 50 minute train ride - flight planning time
> 3. Walk 20 minutes from train to hangar
>
> Train runs only on even hours back on the weekend, so I have to be careful
> with timing - sometimes don't have time to re-fuel or clean the bugs off
> when I get back. But not having a car sure helps pay for the Arrow.

Not THAT is devotion, ladies and gentlemen.

A toast to you, sir!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[JimC]

You certainly have a unique situation. Not many of us can get by without
the old auto (or two, or three). But you're sure right about avoiding auto
expenses being helpful when it comes to paying for the plane. With the way
auto's depreciate you are probably coming out ahead by putting the money
into the airplane instead.

I'm trying like crazy to avoid spending money on replacing one of my cars.
I like to drive them till the wheels fall off, and avoid car payments.

I like your approach. Thanks for sharing it with us.

JimC

"dutch" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> I live downtown Chicago and don't have a car, and the plane is at KGYY, so
I
> 1. Walk 12 minutes to train
> 2. 50 minute train ride - flight planning time
> 3. Walk 20 minutes from train to hangar
>
> Train runs only on even hours back on the weekend, so I have to be careful
> with timing - sometimes don't have time to re-fuel or clean the bugs off
> when I get back. But not having a car sure helps pay for the Arrow.
>
>
>

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>I live downtown Chicago and don't have a car, and the plane is at KGYY, so
>
> I
>
>>1. Walk 12 minutes to train
>>2. 50 minute train ride - flight planning time
>>3. Walk 20 minutes from train to hangar
>>
>>Train runs only on even hours back on the weekend, so I have to be careful
>>with timing - sometimes don't have time to re-fuel or clean the bugs off
>>when I get back. But not having a car sure helps pay for the Arrow.
>
>
> Not THAT is devotion, ladies and gentlemen.

Yeah, really. That would suck.

[Drew Dalgleish]

Home to the airport is 1.5miles and less than 5min. on country roads.
When I'm at the cottage my "airport" starts at the beach 50'from the
door.
Drew ( I love my amphibian ) Dalgleish

>I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
>would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot and
>he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles away
>and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
>are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
>needed for the current job.
>
>This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
>How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
>driving to get there?
>
>JimC
>
>

[EDR]

In article >, JimC
> wrote:

> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?

35 mile/45 minutes
Built the hangar for $3000, don't have to pay any rent.

[JimC]

A T-hanger at my home airport runs $250/month. Rent for one year would
equal what you shelled out to build one. I'd be the happy owner of a hangar
if I could buy or build one for $3,000.

Color me jealous,

JimC

"EDR" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, JimC
> > wrote:
>
> > This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> > How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> > driving to get there?
>
> 35 mile/45 minutes
> Built the hangar for $3000, don't have to pay any rent.

[Dashi]

"JimC" > wrote in message
...
> A T-hanger at my home airport runs $250/month. Rent for one year would
> equal what you shelled out to build one. I'd be the happy owner of a
hangar
> if I could buy or build one for $3,000.
>
> Color me jealous,

Still have to rent/lease the space the hangar is on?

dashii

>
> JimC
>
> "EDR" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >, JimC
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how
about
> it?
> > > How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically
spend
> > > driving to get there?
> >
> > 35 mile/45 minutes
> > Built the hangar for $3000, don't have to pay any rent.
>
>

[Jay Masino]

weekdays: about 2 1/2 hours one way.

weekends: about 5 miles/10 minutes.



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[Rosspilot]

18 SM by car, takes me 24 minutes. :)


www.Rosspilot.com

[Marco Leon]

..4 miles from the airport. It's both a blessing and a curse.

Although I am about 2 1/2 minutes from the plane (inlcuding traffic lights),
I am also right smack-dab in the middle of the most emotionally-charged
anti-airport group in the area. We are off the approach end of the
ILS-equipped runway so noise is...uuggh...prevalent. Music to my ears but
for others...

Marco






"JimC" > wrote in message
...
> I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
> would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot
and
> he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles
away
> and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
> are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
> needed for the current job.
>
> This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about
it?
> How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
> driving to get there?
>
> JimC
>
>



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[G.R. Patterson III]

Marco Leon wrote:
>
> Although I am about 2 1/2 minutes from the plane (inlcuding traffic lights),
> I am also right smack-dab in the middle of the most emotionally-charged
> anti-airport group in the area.

Good for you! Your being there means that the group has one fewer homeowner in
it.

George Patterson
You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the mud.

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Marco Leon <mleon(at)optonline.net> wrote:
>
>Although I am about 2 1/2 minutes from the plane (inlcuding traffic lights),
>I am also right smack-dab in the middle of the most emotionally-charged
>anti-airport group in the area. We are off the approach end of the
>ILS-equipped runway

Let me guess... The airport has been there a lot longer than the houses?
Far longer than the residents have lived there? Longer than many of them
have been alive?

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Jack Brown]

42 miles - roughly 45 minutes on a weekend morning. Just too damn far
during the week (after work).

jb

On 03 Nov 2003 12:20:35 GMT, (Jay Masino)
wrote:

>
>weekdays: about 2 1/2 hours one way.
>
>weekends: about 5 miles/10 minutes.
>
>
>
> __!__
>Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
>http://www2.ari.net/jmasino/ ! ! !
>
>Checkout http://www.oc-adolfos.com/
> for the best Italian food in Ocean City, MD and...
> Checkout http://www.brolow.com/ for authentic Blues music on Delmarva
>

[Bob Chilcoat]

4.6 miles. I did my training there, and found a partnership airplane that
was based there. Life is good.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)

[Marco Leon]

Actually, it was owned by Republic Aircraft (hence the name) for the longest
time. The "I was here first" arguement unfortunately will not get a
pro-airport person very far. It will envigorate a me-against-you attitude
and impede progress even though it's a true statement. The fact is, both
entities are here now and both have a right to be there so they better
figure out a way to live together.

Marco



"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message
news:CAypb.96519$Fm2.79776@attbi_s04...
> In article >,
> Marco Leon <mleon(at)optonline.net> wrote:
> >
> >Although I am about 2 1/2 minutes from the plane (inlcuding traffic
lights),
> >I am also right smack-dab in the middle of the most emotionally-charged
> >anti-airport group in the area. We are off the approach end of the
> >ILS-equipped runway
>
> Let me guess... The airport has been there a lot longer than the houses?
> Far longer than the residents have lived there? Longer than many of them
> have been alive?
>
> --
> Ben Jackson
> >
> http://www.ben.com/



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[Marco Leon]

Thanks. I want to position myself as the voice of reason so I try not to be
too vocal either way. Both sides (airport vs. local civic association) have
their points. The more level-headed neighbors are not against the small
aircraft but are against airport improvements that will allow larger
aircraft to use the remaining runway. Then there are others that are against
anything that flies (like my redneck nextdoor neighbor.)

I try to interject pro-airport reasoning during neighborly conversation but
I use discretion when warranted and try to not make it a big deal.

Marco

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Marco Leon wrote:
> >
> > Although I am about 2 1/2 minutes from the plane (inlcuding traffic
lights),
> > I am also right smack-dab in the middle of the most emotionally-charged
> > anti-airport group in the area.
>
> Good for you! Your being there means that the group has one fewer
homeowner in
> it.
>
> George Patterson
> You can dress a hog in a tuxedo, but he still wants to roll in the
mud.




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[David Johnson]

Used to be about 14 miles to work, with the airport less than a mile from
there. Watched the airport turn into an obnoxious Class C with escalating
prices. Drive time about 20 minutes.

Got fed up and moved to a nice uncontrolled field 30 miles and 45 minutes
away. Well worth it for the improvement in atmosphere, but no more stopping
by the airport after work (still working near Airport A, also about 30 miles
from Airport B). Traffic got worse every year driving to work.

Moved to the other end of the State. Now about a mile/5 minutes to the airport.
Again about 15 miles/20 minutes to work - but all freeway and hardly any
traffic.

[Jay Honeck]

> Actually, it was owned by Republic Aircraft (hence the name) for the
longest
> time. The "I was here first" arguement unfortunately will not get a
> pro-airport person very far. It will envigorate a me-against-you attitude
> and impede progress even though it's a true statement. The fact is, both
> entities are here now and both have a right to be there so they better
> figure out a way to live together.

So that means it's been there since, what the '40s? At least? Give me a
break! Quit being so danged diplomatic, and tell your whining NIMBY
neighbors to shut the hell up.

I swear, pilots have become so worried about stepping on anyone's toes that
we have become tongue-tied -- which is perceived (by the anti-airport crowd)
as acquiescence. In the end, what some of us perceive to be diplomacy is
only fueling the NIMBY fire.

Whenever we hear someone utter an anti-airport opinion, be it in the
newspaper or in person, I believe we (as pilots) should respond calmly,
logically, immediately and forcefully.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom S.]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:sDsqb.128529$Fm2.107284@attbi_s04...

>
> I swear, pilots have become so worried about stepping on anyone's toes
that
> we have become tongue-tied --

...as well as the rest of society.

Being polite (the basis, IIRC, of the word POLITICS) goes BOTH ways and
inferes dealing with reasonable people, not a bunch of overgrown adolesents.


> which is perceived (by the anti-airport crowd)
> as acquiescence. In the end, what some of us perceive to be diplomacy is
> only fueling the NIMBY fire.
>
> Whenever we hear someone utter an anti-airport opinion, be it in the
> newspaper or in person, I believe we (as pilots) should respond calmly,
> logically, immediately and forcefully.

....and assume, at least the first time, that the target of that response
has all their oars in the water.

[Marco Leon]

I hear and respect your points Jay. I should have added more info because
it's not a black and white situation here. Let me explain.

Republic Airport HAS been around since the 1940's. That's true. The
controversy is not over the closure of the airport but to the proposed
changes. That being said, there are (and always will be) a handful of NIMBY
folks who wouldn't mind if the airport was closed.

One proposed change is to move one runway (RWY 1-19) north a few hundred
feet to clear the approach course of obstacles thus enabling a precision
approach. The other major change is to move a taxiway farther away from the
runway to allow for more wingtip clearance. These are the two main proposal
items but there may be others. There is already an ILS approach for RWY 14
and the DH is right smack over the neighborhood in question. Boeing 727's,
737's, and others can and do land on this runway in both good weather and
low ceilings. They live with the occasional large jet at 1AM on takeoff from
RWY 32 (landing it's almost the same noise level as the biz jets.)

The majority of the neighborhood are against these changes because of the
strong possibility that freight companies like UPS and FedEx may set up
regularly scheduled service from here. Right now, they have admitted that
they will not set up shop because of the availability of a precision
approach on only one runway and the inability for their aircraft to land on
RWY 1-19 due to the taxiway issue. They require at least two possible
runways to operate regularly at an airport. Also as we all know, the bulk of
freight operations occur at night.

Although the second ILS would be nice, the rest of this presents a few
difficulties.
* It's hard to convince these people that more large jets operating at night
is a good thing. Probably impossible.
* I'm not 100% behind something that may negatively affect my flying.
Increased operations means longer wait times before take-off and landings
(yes, making inbounds loiter outside of Class D before landing is a common
occurrence here)
* My family likes to sleep at night too
* The same airport mgmt company manages Teterboro and from talks with local
pilots there, the large number of jet traffic is not making life better for
spam cans

The large majority of these people are not against general aviation and
small airplanes in particular. They are not looking to close the airport.
Some of my neighbors even like to bring their kids to the airport to watch
the planes.

So Jay, if I tell them to "shut the hell up" (I know it's just a figure of
speech) without respecting their views, I look like the narrow-minded
airport fool. Taking their points one by one and judging them on their
individual merits is the way to go I think. In dealing with the
narrow-minded NIMBY-types, yes, I think your approach is on the money. They
should be responded to in a calm, stern manner. I don't think most fall into
that category.

I also understand that one can get into a give-an-inch-take-a-mile situation
where they will want to close the airport next but a large portion of the
village's economy relies on the airport.

This is a delicate situation that requires some level-headedness and I'm one
of the few that sees multiple angles.

Regards,

Marco


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:sDsqb.128529$Fm2.107284@attbi_s04...
> > Actually, it was owned by Republic Aircraft (hence the name) for the
> longest
> > time. The "I was here first" arguement unfortunately will not get a
> > pro-airport person very far. It will envigorate a me-against-you
attitude
> > and impede progress even though it's a true statement. The fact is, both
> > entities are here now and both have a right to be there so they better
> > figure out a way to live together.
>
> So that means it's been there since, what the '40s? At least? Give me a
> break! Quit being so danged diplomatic, and tell your whining NIMBY
> neighbors to shut the hell up.
>
> I swear, pilots have become so worried about stepping on anyone's toes
that
> we have become tongue-tied -- which is perceived (by the anti-airport
crowd)
> as acquiescence. In the end, what some of us perceive to be diplomacy is
> only fueling the NIMBY fire.
>
> Whenever we hear someone utter an anti-airport opinion, be it in the
> newspaper or in person, I believe we (as pilots) should respond calmly,
> logically, immediately and forcefully.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>



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[Jay Honeck]

> This is a delicate situation that requires some level-headedness and I'm
one
> of the few that sees multiple angles.

Agreed, Marco. Thanks for the clarification -- it's obviously a much more
complex situation than the usual "Shut the Airport!" nutcases...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Roger Halstead]

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 14:10:32 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

<snip>

>
>Whenever we hear someone utter an anti-airport opinion, be it in the
>newspaper or in person, I believe we (as pilots) should respond calmly,
>logically, immediately and forcefully.

Careful here. Remember, people tend to respond in kind. Get forceful
and they in turn either get forceful in return, or dig their heels in.
When some one gets forceful with me I start developing an attitude
against what ever it is they are promoting, even if it was something I
had supported.

One thing to consider is the State of Michigan has a video for
airports to use in combating unfriendly neighbors. I believe it can
be obtained from the Michigan Department of Transportation
(aeronautics) in Lansing Michigan. That's at least close.

We've gone through unfriendly neighbors and attempts to close the
airport (3BS). Our fight is one of the examples used on the tape.

Another recent example is the county decided to build a jail. Their
approach is a prime example of how not to go about doing something
like this according to the National Institute of Corrections. They
arbitrarily set up some standards, looked at some sites and kept
changing the standards to fit each site. They excluded the public and
played down any opposition as NIMBY when that was relatively small
part of the opposition. Basically 7 commissioners got together and
decided how they are going to do things. One even made the statement
that the issue was too complex for the public to be included. (great
statement to win support)

Now they have found a county wide group has been formed, that is well
organized, has more than sufficient financial backing to tie the
county up in the court system for years, and they have alienated the
voters to the point where they may not (most likely won't) be able to
even get necessary millages passed. Most likely several commissioners
will be out of a job and the county may end up in deep financial
trouble. Any bond issues will be challenged and put to a referendum.
Plus the Township where they decided to put the thing has told them
they will take them to court as well. The township refused to grant
the county permission to run a sewer from town out to the remote site.
There is far more involved, but this basically covers the area I
wanted to cover.

Incidentally the county wide group has become basically a watchdog
group to make sure they don't put the thing in a residential area,
they use a tried and true methods of site selection that will be
applied uniformly, they investigate alternative forms of
incarceration/treatement such as work release programs and they spend
the county's money wisely.

Had the county commissioners not taken such an elitist attitude to
begin with they'd probably already be under construction. Of course
the *appearance* of having lied to the public (whether justified or
not) hasn't helped their stance. One thing we have to remember about
the general population. They see pilots as a rich and elitist group of
people with expensive toys. They don't realize that *most* small
planes are owned by groups and many of the single owner planes are
old enough to be called, classics. It takes a lot of work to dispel
that notion and to demonstrate just how much money the airport brings
into an area. Some will never listen to logic, but don't make the
ones who might be swayed, more rigid in their stance.

When trying to close the airport the city hired a firm to find out how
much money the little airport brings into the area. The value was
given as a conservative 10 million a year. They said "that can't be
right" and commissioned another study. That one came up with 16
million. People were complaining about the $100,000 plus the city was
paying to run and maintain the airport. Then they discovered all the
money they'd been raking in from parking cars on the airport property
(purchased with federal funds) for the county fair and several antique
shows, was supposed to go to the airport. That alone would have made
the airport show a direct profit. They had been putting the money in
the general fund and claiming any of it used on the airport as a
subsidy. Soooo...What did the city do? Instead of putting all that
money in the airport fund as required, they quit charging for parking
and raised the entrance fees to the events.

18/36 is only 3000 feet long. The expensive subdivision directly off
the south end was/is the one that does the complaining. We wanted to
lengthen the runway. The subdivision said we'd be getting jets in and
they didn't want that. They didn't realize the modern small jets are
quieter than most high performance singles and twins, or that we get 3
or 4 per week already. So...on windy days people like me end up going
over their homes at close to 200 feet when a 4000 foot runway would
have put me near or even at pattern altitude.

In the end they ended up with a compromise. We ended up with lots of
improvements lengthening 06/24, new taxi ways and it looks like a new
$400,000 (give or take) terminal building, but 18/36 is still a short
3000 feet and they still get big planes rattling the shingles. Any
longer on 06/24 and they'd have to move a road and some businesses.

So... I agree with the Immediate, calm, and logical approach, but the
forceful puts you on shaky ground with potential dangerous and counter
productive consequences.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

[Roger Halstead]

On Thu, 30 Oct 2003 20:17:47 -0500, "JimC" >
wrote:

>I have been thinking about the drive to the airport lately and how nice it
>would be to live a little closer. I have a brother that is also a pilot and
>he lives about 4 miles from his plane. Mine is more like 25 road miles away
>and requires a half hour drive. That really makes a difference when you
>are working on the plane and remember you left something at home that is
>needed for the current job.
>
>This got me curious about the situation that others have. So, how about it?
>How far do you live from your plane and how long do you typically spend
>driving to get there?

Well..distance to the airport is 10 miles and that does prevent me
from getting a lot done with the Deb. It even keeps me from flying
about 50% of the time when I might just go out for a little while.
I did get in 45 minutes today though. I was going to finish up
dismantling the Barracuda, but that hanger was locked and I didn't
have a key..so what the heck. I went out and played for a while.

(Actually I'm only a bit less than 5 miles from the airport, but you
can't get there from here.)
OTOH, my airplane project is in my shop about 30 feet north of my
garage. Now that is handy. I have my secondary ham station out there
as well. All I need now is a nice comfortable chair, a couch,
refrigerator, and TV. I already have the stereo and spend time
rebuilding antique ham radio equipment. Oh, yah. I have the big 10"
telescope out there and to use it I only need slide the big tripod out
the door. I do need to make up some sort of transport mechanism and
have yet to get the one neighbor to turn off the outside lights. All
the other neighbors only need a phone call and it gets dark. It
wouldn't be so bad, but he has the unshielded light right on the front
of a light colored building that points it right at my back yard. It
casts shadows on the bedroom wall.

I finally got the big Hartzell hung on the wall, discovered there is
still a floor in there and have cleaned up enough that I can again get
organized and I'm at a point where I really need to be organized. I
even put in conduit for the coax cables.
http://www.rogerhalstead.com/boatanch.htm shows the stuff in the shop
in the bottom three photos with the old guy who spends a lot of time
out there in the bottom photo. It's a pretty big page with the photos
near the bottom.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)
>
>JimC
>

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Roger Halstead
> wrote:

> >Whenever we hear someone utter an anti-airport opinion, be it in the
> >newspaper or in person, I believe we (as pilots) should respond calmly,
> >logically, immediately and forcefully.
>
> Careful here. Remember, people tend to respond in kind. Get forceful
> and they in turn either get forceful in return, or dig their heels in.
> When some one gets forceful with me I start developing an attitude
> against what ever it is they are promoting, even if it was something I
> had supported.

otoh - a wimpy response can be interpreted as weaknessed, inviting
even more outrageous attacks by the anti-airport crowd.

perhaps "forcefully" implies something unintended. Maybe
"emphatically" would be more accurate.

--
Bob Noel

[Roger Halstead]

On Fri, 07 Nov 2003 12:06:15 GMT, Bob Noel
> wrote:

>In article >, Roger Halstead
> wrote:
>
>> >Whenever we hear someone utter an anti-airport opinion, be it in the
>> >newspaper or in person, I believe we (as pilots) should respond calmly,
>> >logically, immediately and forcefully.
>>
>> Careful here. Remember, people tend to respond in kind. Get forceful
>> and they in turn either get forceful in return, or dig their heels in.
>> When some one gets forceful with me I start developing an attitude
>> against what ever it is they are promoting, even if it was something I
>> had supported.
>
>otoh - a wimpy response can be interpreted as weaknessed, inviting
>even more outrageous attacks by the anti-airport crowd.

Agreed!

>
>perhaps "forcefully" implies something unintended. Maybe
>"emphatically" would be more accurate.

and again I agree.

You are in that area where different people interpret the same
intonations differently. You need to come across as knowledgeable
but not aggressive. One extreme will be taken advantage of and the
other will be seen as a challenge.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)

[Dan Thomas]

2.5 miles. 5-minute drive, 15-minute bicycle ride, 45-minute walk.
Prefer the bike. Hangar cost me $1000 (that's Canadian; $750 US) and
while it isn't pretty, it closes and locks and doesn't rain as hard
inside as it does outside. The property lease costs me $100 per year.
Taxes $75.
I work at the airport, though, and don't often feel like coming
back to play with the airplane. Someone will want me to fix something.

Dan

[Roger Ward]

Now about 38 miles, 32 min in good traffice.
But plan to move to about 10 miles and 10 - 15 min travel with any kid
of traffice.

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