First fairly long XC since ownership.

[Wayne]

Finally got to take a fairly long trip in my 175B this weekend. went
from HGR (Hagerstown, Md) to TTA (Sanford, Nc) Sure was better than driving,
uaually takes around 6-1/2 hours to drive (no accidents holding us up),
three pee stops (kids), 2 stop at McDonalds etc... Instead is was 2 hours,
24 minutes down, 2 hours 15 minutes back. Word of warning though for NC,
fuel prices don't include tax. Fuel was $2.80 per gallon, plus 7% tax. 26.3
gallons costed me 78.79!

I got there just at dark on Friday night, locked her up and left, the
line guy said he would have them fuel it up the next day. Came back Saturday
afternoon, around 4 and found my door open. Lock broken, yet nothing
missing. My thinking is that they may have feared I would come in at night
and leave without paying for the fuel so they broke the lock to get the name
from inside. ****ed me off very badly but what good would it do to bitch?
None was my thinking.

What could I have done to avoid this? I'd rather they locked my plane to
the tiedown than break my lock. I would have left them a credit card or paid
right away, the guy was leaving for the night and didn't feel like getting
the truck out or I would have got the fuel and paid for it right away. I
don't have any proof that they did it but with nothing missing (Garmin 196
sitting right there), it kind of makes me wonder. Beware of KTTA in Sanford
NC. Either they break your stuff, or they don't notice when others do.

Wayne

[Mike Rapoport]

Did you ask? It seems kind of odd that an FBO would do this. It is fairly
easy to find out who owns an airplane. I would report it *immediately* to
the FSDO. Tampering with an aircraft is a felony I believe.

Mike
MU-2


"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> I got there just at dark on Friday night, locked her up and left, the
> line guy said he would have them fuel it up the next day. Came back
Saturday
> afternoon, around 4 and found my door open. Lock broken, yet nothing
> missing. My thinking is that they may have feared I would come in at night
> and leave without paying for the fuel so they broke the lock to get the
name
> from inside. ****ed me off very badly but what good would it do to bitch?
> None was my thinking.
>
> What could I have done to avoid this? I'd rather they locked my plane
to
> the tiedown than break my lock. I would have left them a credit card or
paid
> right away, the guy was leaving for the night and didn't feel like getting
> the truck out or I would have got the fuel and paid for it right away. I
> don't have any proof that they did it but with nothing missing (Garmin 196
> sitting right there), it kind of makes me wonder. Beware of KTTA in
Sanford
> NC. Either they break your stuff, or they don't notice when others do.
>
> Wayne
>
>

[Wayne]

I was inside paying for the fuel, my girlfriend went out and found it.
She didn't tell me until I was already in the plane several times and the
preflight was done. I think if I had walked up to it first, I would have
went back in and raised hell and maybe even called the police but at that
point I figured I'd be wasting my breath.

I can't imagine who else would break in and not take anything.

"Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Did you ask? It seems kind of odd that an FBO would do this. It is
fairly
> easy to find out who owns an airplane. I would report it *immediately* to
> the FSDO. Tampering with an aircraft is a felony I believe.
>
> Mike
> MU-2

[Aaron Coolidge]

Wayne > wrote:
: I was inside paying for the fuel, my girlfriend went out and found it.
: She didn't tell me until I was already in the plane several times and the
: preflight was done. I think if I had walked up to it first, I would have
: went back in and raised hell and maybe even called the police but at that
: point I figured I'd be wasting my breath.

: I can't imagine who else would break in and not take anything.

Some years ago, a popular scam was to steal a radio from one airplane, and
exchange it with a like radio from another airplane. The rationale was
that the pilot whose radio is missing reports his serial# as being stolen
when it's actually installed in pilot #2's airplane. Pilot #2's radio, which
is the one that's actually been stolen for resale, is never reported stolen.
When pilot #2 shows up at the avionics shop with the radios stolen from
pilot #1, things get interesting.

I'd check the serial #'s on your equipment, if you've got them.

--
Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)

[Bob Fry]

"Wayne" > writes:

> I can't imagine who else would break in and not take anything.

A thief who didn't find anything interesting after he broke in? A
bored kid breaking stuff for kicks? Maybe you forgot to lock it, or
it came loose (airplane locks are usually too reliable), and the door
came open....

It seems really unlikely and FBO is going to break into an airplane
just to get your name! Most everybody knows how to look up owner
names and addresses from the online FAA database.

[JimC]

Someone once told me about a scheme avionics thieves have used to get rid of
known hot items - they swap them. The perpetrator leaves the "hot" unit in
your plane and sells your unit as you didn't report it stolen. You might
want to check your serial numbers.

JimC

"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> I was inside paying for the fuel, my girlfriend went out and found it.
> She didn't tell me until I was already in the plane several times and the
> preflight was done. I think if I had walked up to it first, I would have
> went back in and raised hell and maybe even called the police but at that
> point I figured I'd be wasting my breath.
>
> I can't imagine who else would break in and not take anything.
>
> "Mike Rapoport" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > Did you ask? It seems kind of odd that an FBO would do this. It is
> fairly
> > easy to find out who owns an airplane. I would report it *immediately*
to
> > the FSDO. Tampering with an aircraft is a felony I believe.
> >
> > Mike
> > MU-2
>
>

[Wayne]

Not interested in a Garmin 196! I did lock it and it's not only that the
lock was broken, but the door was left hanging open. I would assume that had
I left it open, the guy that fueled it would have closed it, or at least
made a note of it.


> A thief who didn't find anything interesting after he broke in? A
> bored kid breaking stuff for kicks? Maybe you forgot to lock it, or
> it came loose (airplane locks are usually too reliable), and the door
> came open....

Unlikely as well that they wouldn't see someone in it. Assuming the door
was still intact in the morning when they fueled it, that meant it didn't
happen overnight. Had to be in broad daylight. Doesn't take much to break
the lock but in broad daylight and then not taking anything? Maybe whoever
it was thought they got caught and took off. No proof one way or the other,
that's one reason why I didn't say anything to them. Bored kids usually
throw stones at windows and such.
Wayne

> It seems really unlikely and FBO is going to break into an airplane
> just to get your name! Most everybody knows how to look up owner
> names and addresses from the online FAA database.

[Wayne]

Sound like the old eggs bread milk scam. One person goes through the
line at the grocery store and pays with a 20 with the words "Bread, Eggs,
Milk" on it. The next guy buys Bread, Eggs, and Milk, gets his change for $5
and after walking away for a few seconds comes back and says, Hey, I gave
you a twenty. No you didn't, Yeah I did, and I can prove it, I used the
twenty for a shopping list. Old one, not so sure a 5 will get that now....
Thanks for the tip though, I will have a closer look.

Wayne


> Some years ago, a popular scam was to steal a radio from one airplane, and
> exchange it with a like radio from another airplane. The rationale was
> that the pilot whose radio is missing reports his serial# as being stolen
> when it's actually installed in pilot #2's airplane. Pilot #2's radio,
which
> is the one that's actually been stolen for resale, is never reported
stolen.
> When pilot #2 shows up at the avionics shop with the radios stolen from
> pilot #1, things get interesting.
>
> I'd check the serial #'s on your equipment, if you've got them.
>
> --
> Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)
>
>

[Henry Bibb]

Wayne,

For what it's worth, I have flown out of KTTA fairly often, as a transient,
have several friends based there, and belong to a flying club also based
there.
To my knowledge nothing of this sort has ever happened there before.
I wish you had reported it to the FBO before conducting a public character
assassination in this way.

Henry Bibb


"Wayne" > wrote in message
...
> (snip)
> sitting right there), it kind of makes me wonder. Beware of KTTA in
Sanford
> NC. Either they break your stuff, or they don't notice when others do.
>
> Wayne
>
>

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Wayne > wrote:
> I got there just at dark on Friday night, locked her up and left, the
>line guy said he would have them fuel it up the next day. Came back Saturday
>afternoon, around 4 and found my door open. Lock broken,

Wait, which door? I'm not familiar with the 175, but the standard Cessna
locking drill would be to reach across the plane (from whichever side
you're standing on) and latch the far door with the lever (which makes
it impossible to open from outside) then close and lock the door on your
side.

You said your girlfriend found it... Is it possible that the the door
you didn't lock just didn't get latched? Have you ever locked that side
from outside?

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Tony Roberts]

> I don't have any proof that they did it but with nothing missing (Garmin 196
> sitting right there), it kind of makes me wonder. Beware of KTTA in Sanford
> NC. Either they break your stuff, or they don't notice when others do.

Hi Wayne

My plane ws broken ito earlier this year - my Garmin 196 was sitting right
there and all they took was the aircraft documents.
They also broke into 6 other aircraft on the field- one had items taken
and five didn't.
It seems to me that you are jumping to some pretty big conclusions in
assuming that the line guy did it.
As we are dealing purely with speculation, my speculation is that he
didn't. Also, I hope for your benefit that he isn't reading this thread.

--
Tony Roberts )
PP-ASEL
VFR-OTT - Night
Cessna 172H

[Maule Driver]

Pretty far fetched scenario but a real ****er. Glad you didn't lose the
Garmin.

Brakes on perhaps and fuel truck out of service...

FWIW, For almost 7 years, I've left my Maule all over NC at various
airports. I've always left it unlocked with only a pair of DCs laying out
of sight in the back. Lots of overnights and weekends. Never had an
incident of any kind. I worry but that worry has been unfounded so far.

Try Siler City 5W8 for fuel. About 15 miles from TTA. Always some of the
cheapest around.

TTA is another gorgeous GA NC airport that has recently been expanded or in
this case, built new to replace its former self. Ditto for KTDF, KEXX and
many other long, clean surfaced county airports. We're not in Jersey
anymore!

[Nathan Young]

"Wayne" > wrote in message >...
> Finally got to take a fairly long trip in my 175B this weekend. went
> from HGR (Hagerstown, Md) to TTA (Sanford, Nc) Sure was better than driving,
> uaually takes around 6-1/2 hours to drive (no accidents holding us up),
> three pee stops (kids), 2 stop at McDonalds etc... Instead is was 2 hours,
> 24 minutes down, 2 hours 15 minutes back. Word of warning though for NC,
> fuel prices don't include tax. Fuel was $2.80 per gallon, plus 7% tax. 26.3
> gallons costed me 78.79!
>
> I got there just at dark on Friday night, locked her up and left, the
> line guy said he would have them fuel it up the next day. Came back Saturday
> afternoon, around 4 and found my door open. Lock broken, yet nothing
> missing. My thinking is that they may have feared I would come in at night
> and leave without paying for the fuel so they broke the lock to get the name
> from inside. ****ed me off very badly but what good would it do to bitch?
> None was my thinking.
>
> What could I have done to avoid this? I'd rather they locked my plane to
> the tiedown than break my lock. I would have left them a credit card or paid
> right away, the guy was leaving for the night and didn't feel like getting
> the truck out or I would have got the fuel and paid for it right away. I
> don't have any proof that they did it but with nothing missing (Garmin 196
> sitting right there), it kind of makes me wonder. Beware of KTTA in Sanford
> NC. Either they break your stuff, or they don't notice when others do.

I guarantee the FBO didn't break into your plane. No FBO would (I
believe it is a federal offense to tamper with an aircraft). Further,
it is standard practice to fuel and pay the next day or whenever you
return.

One of 3 things happened:
1. A thief broke into your plane.
2. The lock/latch mechanism broke and the wind opened the door
3. The door was never latched and the wind opened the door.

Regarding the fuel prices. $2.80 isn't bad, at least not in the
midwest. Check out http://www.airnav.com for listing of fuel prices.

-Nathan

[[email protected]]

Nathan Young > wrote:
: Regarding the fuel prices. $2.80 isn't bad, at least not in the
: midwest. Check out http://www.airnav.com for listing of fuel prices.


Probably true, but I've gotten spoiled running autogas. Airnav is
certainly a great way to fly somewhere cheap, as there's almost always a
place to land enroute that's relatively inexpensive. I stopped in Knox,
IN (KOXI) on my way to and from Milwaukee from Virginia this last weekend
and filled up at $1.89/gal for 100LL. Can't argue with that!

-Cory

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[David Johnson]

You didn't describe how the lock was broken, so I can't comment on that.
However, as a 25+ year Cessna owner I can testify to the fact that the
doors are not very secure when closed in the usual manner. I have on a
number of occasions gone to the airport, found the door open, and nothing
missing. When the wind blows the fuselage twists a little, and the doors,
if not solidly latched, will pop open.

There are two things you can do about this. First, close the doors securely.
In a Cessna you can leve the handle pointing downwards - and the outside
release will work. Or you can turn it to the fully locked position (handle
pointing towards the rear) as you do before taking off. This causes the
latch to more deeply engage the hole in the striker plate. Watch what
happens when you operate the handle with the door open to see what I mean.
How to fully lock both doors? Lock the passenger side when you are in the
plane. Then get out and close the pilot's door. Open the baggage door and
stick your head and shoulders inside. Fold the rear seatback forward, then
reach for the pilot's door handle and rotate it to the rear position.
Extricate yourself from the plane, and lock the baggage door.

For added security. install an eyebolt in the lower rear corner of each door
(inside, of course). Then run a suitable bungee cord between the eyebolts
when you are closing up the plane.

I hope this helps - it works for me.

[John Galban]

(Tony Roberts) wrote in message >...
>
> My plane ws broken ito earlier this year - my Garmin 196 was sitting right
> there and all they took was the aircraft documents.
> They also broke into 6 other aircraft on the field- one had items taken
> and five didn't.

You'd better check your avionics serial numbers too. Most criminals
don't bother breaking into planes for no reason. The avionics switch
has been getting more prevalent with the advent of online sales of
used equipment. It's made it easier to check for serial numbers of
stolen equipment.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Montblack]

("David Johnson" wrote)
<snip>
> For added security. install an eyebolt in the lower rear corner of each
door
> (inside, of course). Then run a suitable bungee cord between the eyebolts
> when you are closing up the plane.
>
> I hope this helps - it works for me.

Sound like the board behind the seat rail "repair." Simple but effective.

--
Montblack

[Dave]

> wrote in message
...
> Nathan Young > wrote:
> : Regarding the fuel prices. $2.80 isn't bad, at least not in the
> : midwest. Check out http://www.airnav.com for listing of fuel prices.
>
>
> Probably true, but I've gotten spoiled running autogas. Airnav is
> certainly a great way to fly somewhere cheap, as there's almost always a
> place to land enroute that's relatively inexpensive. I stopped in Knox,
> IN (KOXI) on my way to and from Milwaukee from Virginia this last weekend
> and filled up at $1.89/gal for 100LL. Can't argue with that!
>

You guys are so lucky. It costs the equivalent of $6.15 per gallon for fuel
in England and the cheapest landing fee I have paid on top of that was $12
and they are often much higher with facilities that you would consider as
condemned.

Dave

[David Megginson]

"Dave" > writes:

> You guys are so lucky. It costs the equivalent of $6.15 per gallon
> for fuel in England and the cheapest landing fee I have paid on top
> of that was $12 and they are often much higher with facilities that
> you would consider as condemned.

Is that USD 6.50 per U.S. gallon or USD 6.50 per Imperial gallon?


All the best,


David

[G.R. Patterson III]

Dave wrote:
>
> You guys are so lucky.

We certainly are in that regard. AOPA periodically informs us of the situation
you guys face there and in Europe and works very hard to keep it from happening
here.

George Patterson
If you're not part of the solution, you can make a lot of money prolonging
the problem.

[Dave]

"David Megginson" > wrote in message
...
> "Dave" > writes:
>
> > You guys are so lucky. It costs the equivalent of $6.15 per gallon
> > for fuel in England and the cheapest landing fee I have paid on top
> > of that was $12 and they are often much higher with facilities that
> > you would consider as condemned.
>
> Is that USD 6.50 per U.S. gallon or USD 6.50 per Imperial gallon?
>

Per US Gallon basically $1.62 per litre, and at an exchange rate of about £1
= £1.69 and 4 litres to a US gallon. Looking at it per imperial
gallon.......... well you just want to cry.

I would love it we could STC the petrol engines out and replace them with
diesels at $0.40 per litre

[Dave]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Dave wrote:
> >
> > You guys are so lucky.
>
> We certainly are in that regard. AOPA periodically informs us of the
situation
> you guys face there and in Europe and works very hard to keep it from
happening
> here.
>
80% of the amount we pay is taxation

[[email protected]]

Dave > wrote:
:> We certainly are in that regard. AOPA periodically informs us of the
: situation
:> you guys face there and in Europe and works very hard to keep it from
: happening
:> here.
:>
: 80% of the amount we pay is taxation

As unpopular (and thus practically impossible) to do here,
gasoline *should* be taxed much more than it is. Of course, this money
should go to research for alternate fuels, etc, and not blown in a general
fund for more B.S. spending.

The aerodiesels seems to be promising. Fuel burn, power/weight
improvements, and turbocharging make them look great for performance. In
the US where 100LL and Jet-A are roughly the same price, running
auto-diesel would as good of a cost-savings as autogas STCs. Also,
compression ignition engines are more robust to fuels, so I'd imagine less
concern about fuel quality than with autogas I can imagine they'll be
*really* great across the pond for you guys by the liter, er, litre... :)

-Cory


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[PaulaJay1]

In article >,
writes:

> As unpopular (and thus practically impossible) to do here,
>gasoline *should* be taxed much more than it is. Of course, this money
>should go to research for alternate fuels, etc, and not blown in a general
>fund for more B.S. spending.

You are one of the very few that think this way (I'm another). MY "plan", that
also is impossible to implement, is to place an additional tax of purhaps $.05
per year for the next 10 years. This gives the gas guzzler owners and
manuyfacturers time to recover. Then use the moneys to develop the tar sands
in the west.

I heard a talk by Dixie Ray Lee ( or was that Dixie Lee Ray) who said that if
we could stand off and look at our world - past, present, and future. One of
the things that we would say about the present is "This is the 100 years that
we used fossil fuels for energy". It's been about 100 years, so she was a
little off on the timing but the idea is still there.

Chuck

[David Megginson]

"Dave" > writes:

> Per US Gallon basically $1.62 per litre, and at an exchange rate of
> about £1 = £1.69 and 4 litres to a US gallon. Looking at it per
> imperial gallon.......... well you just want to cry.

GBP 1.00/liter sounds pretty brutal -- my sympathies. I can see why
something like a USD 40K diesel conversion might be tempting, though
even then, it would take a while to make up the extra cost. In
Canada, we're paying half that, and I know that it can get even lower
at some US airports, so the cost of a diesel conversion is much harder
to justify.


All the best,


David

[Wayne]

The pilot's side door. I closed and locked it myself, and double checked
it.
Wayne

>
> Wait, which door? I'm not familiar with the 175, but the standard Cessna
> locking drill would be to reach across the plane (from whichever side
> you're standing on) and latch the far door with the lever (which makes
> it impossible to open from outside) then close and lock the door on your
> side.
>
> You said your girlfriend found it... Is it possible that the the door
> you didn't lock just didn't get latched? Have you ever locked that side
> from outside?
>
> --
> Ben Jackson
> >
> http://www.ben.com/

[Wayne]

Seemed to be a nice bunch to me too. I didn't say anything untrue.
Something happened, and it happened there. My words were beware of KTTA, not
the FBO necessarily, but someone broke the door, just glad nothing is
missing.
Wayne
"Henry Bibb" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Wayne,
>
> For what it's worth, I have flown out of KTTA fairly often, as a
transient,
> have several friends based there, and belong to a flying club also based
> there.
> To my knowledge nothing of this sort has ever happened there before.
> I wish you had reported it to the FBO before conducting a public character
> assassination in this way.
>
> Henry Bibb
>
>
> "Wayne" > wrote in message
> ...
> > (snip)
> > sitting right there), it kind of makes me wonder. Beware of KTTA in
> Sanford
> > NC. Either they break your stuff, or they don't notice when others do.
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> >
>
>

[Wayne]

I wouldn't care if he read it, I said nothing untrue, I did speculate
and that's all it was. Only facts are that my lock was broken and the door
was open. If was was walking by as I am sure they had to some time during
the day, and saw an open door, I would have at least closed it.
Wayne


"Tony Roberts" > wrote in message
...
> > I don't have any proof that they did it but with nothing missing
(Garmin 196
> > sitting right there), it kind of makes me wonder. Beware of KTTA in
Sanford
> > NC. Either they break your stuff, or they don't notice when others do.
>
> Hi Wayne
>
> My plane ws broken ito earlier this year - my Garmin 196 was sitting right
> there and all they took was the aircraft documents.
> They also broke into 6 other aircraft on the field- one had items taken
> and five didn't.
> It seems to me that you are jumping to some pretty big conclusions in
> assuming that the line guy did it.
> As we are dealing purely with speculation, my speculation is that he
> didn't. Also, I hope for your benefit that he isn't reading this thread.
>
> --
> Tony Roberts )
> PP-ASEL
> VFR-OTT - Night
> Cessna 172H
>
>

[Wayne]

Thanks, I'm glad too. It is a very nice airport, all new pavement,
friendly people. The last time I was there, in a car, I bought a sectional
and a few other things and they didn't have change so they gave me a free
sectional. I was back the next day and tried to pay but they wouldn't take
the money even then. Only takes one bad apple either working there on just
visiting to make everyone look bad. Next time I will take out the valuables
and leave it unlocked.
Wayne


"Maule Driver" > wrote in message
. com...
> Pretty far fetched scenario but a real ****er. Glad you didn't lose the
> Garmin.
>
> Brakes on perhaps and fuel truck out of service...
>
> FWIW, For almost 7 years, I've left my Maule all over NC at various
> airports. I've always left it unlocked with only a pair of DCs laying out
> of sight in the back. Lots of overnights and weekends. Never had an
> incident of any kind. I worry but that worry has been unfounded so far.
>
> Try Siler City 5W8 for fuel. About 15 miles from TTA. Always some of the
> cheapest around.
>
> TTA is another gorgeous GA NC airport that has recently been expanded or
in
> this case, built new to replace its former self. Ditto for KTDF, KEXX and
> many other long, clean surfaced county airports. We're not in Jersey
> anymore!
>
>
>

[Wayne]

The FBO could have scared the would be theif away for that matter. There
was no wind, again the door was double checked, closed, and locked. Doesn't
matter now anyway, just glad the Garmin was there.

> One of 3 things happened:
> 1. A thief broke into your plane.
> 2. The lock/latch mechanism broke and the wind opened the door
> 3. The door was never latched and the wind opened the door.
$2.80 plus 7% tax. I'm used to paying $2.10. That's 50% higher than I am
used to. That would be like you, used to paying $3.00 paying $4.50, again
50% higher. Was a shock, but not really a problem. I should have shopped
around I guess, maybe next time.
Wayne

> Regarding the fuel prices. $2.80 isn't bad, at least not in the
> midwest. Check out http://www.airnav.com for listing of fuel prices.
>
> -Nathan

[Wayne]

Got an email from the guy at the airport. I didn't realize how mad I was
when I wrote the original post, it really did sound very bad. The post was
supposed to be about how good the trip was.

Wayne

[Nathan Young]

(PaulaJay1) wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> writes:
>
> > As unpopular (and thus practically impossible) to do here,
> >gasoline *should* be taxed much more than it is. Of course, this money
> >should go to research for alternate fuels, etc, and not blown in a general
> >fund for more B.S. spending.
>
> You are one of the very few that think this way (I'm another). MY "plan", that
> also is impossible to implement, is to place an additional tax of purhaps $.05
> per year for the next 10 years. This gives the gas guzzler owners and
> manuyfacturers time to recover. Then use the moneys to develop the tar sands
> in the west.
>
> I heard a talk by Dixie Ray Lee ( or was that Dixie Lee Ray) who said that if
> we could stand off and look at our world - past, present, and future. One of
> the things that we would say about the present is "This is the 100 years that
> we used fossil fuels for energy". It's been about 100 years, so she was a
> little off on the timing but the idea is still there.

I agree with you in principal. It would be great to add a small tax
to fuel to help us develop other resources - no matter what they are:
(gas/oil, hybrid, electic, etc).

The problem is our govt has shown time and time again that tax money
gets used for something else than its intended purpose.

-Nathan

[Dave]

"Nathan Young" > wrote in message
om...
> (PaulaJay1) wrote in message
>...
> > In article >,
> > writes:
> >
> > > As unpopular (and thus practically impossible) to do here,
> > >gasoline *should* be taxed much more than it is. Of course, this money
> > >should go to research for alternate fuels, etc, and not blown in a
general
> > >fund for more B.S. spending.
> >
> > You are one of the very few that think this way (I'm another). MY
"plan", that
> > also is impossible to implement, is to place an additional tax of
purhaps $.05
> > per year for the next 10 years. This gives the gas guzzler owners and
> > manuyfacturers time to recover. Then use the moneys to develop the tar
sands
> > in the west.
> >
> > I heard a talk by Dixie Ray Lee ( or was that Dixie Lee Ray) who said
that if
> > we could stand off and look at our world - past, present, and future.
One of
> > the things that we would say about the present is "This is the 100 years
that
> > we used fossil fuels for energy". It's been about 100 years, so she was
a
> > little off on the timing but the idea is still there.
>
> I agree with you in principal. It would be great to add a small tax
> to fuel to help us develop other resources - no matter what they are:
> (gas/oil, hybrid, electic, etc).
>
> The problem is our govt has shown time and time again that tax money
> gets used for something else than its intended purpose.

Our government (uk) does not support hypothecation of taxes. It all goes
into a big pot and dished out for every wasteful thing you can think about
(except the National Health Service).

There is just no question of a tax being raised for something special then
being dropped. Make a tax its there forever.