Hangar rent

[Kobra]

I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
paying for their hangars and what is provided?

Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
bad.

When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
give us a lease.

That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that the
owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
properly.

My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for 65.00/mo.

Kobra

[[email protected]]

On 6-Nov-2003, "Kobra" > wrote:

> Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
> are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
> bad.
>
> When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
> later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
> bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
> give us a lease.

Whereabouts are you located?

We have a nice T-hangar with a concrete floor, manual doors (that work
reasonably well), "free" electricity for $220/mo at PAE (Everett, WA). PAE
just built some really spiffy new T-hangars with electric doors and all the
trimmings that go for about $350/mo. I believe there are waiting lists for
enclosed hangars at all major airports in the Puget Sound region.

--
-Elliott Drucker

[Kobra]

I'm in NJ at N14. There's a waiting list here too. The owner has a zoning
approval for 30 more hangars, but he refuses to build them. He is afraid
that it will devalue the existing hangars.

I don't get it. I'd rather have 30 more hangars taking in 350/mo. with
planes in them buying fuel, food, oil and supplies than the status quo
paying 50.00 more per month.

Kobra

[Ross Richardson]

In North Texas about 70 miles north of Dallas I pay $155/month with a
concrete floor, sliding doors, and pretty clean. There is another set
that are built the same but older and have varing degrees of concrete
and asphalt for the same price. the end T-hangar and a half rents for
$175 because they are larger. 100LL is $1.89 weekdays adn $1.84
weekends. the city is planning on building new hangars and there is a
proposed rent increase. We have 24 hour access to our terminal and 24
hour credit card fuel. Now, the closer you go to Dallas the more hangars
go for. We have the really work to keep the rent reasonable. I was the
chairman of the airport board for 5 years.

Kobra wrote:
>
> I'm in NJ at N14. There's a waiting list here too. The owner has a zoning
> approval for 30 more hangars, but he refuses to build them. He is afraid
> that it will devalue the existing hangars.
>
> I don't get it. I'd rather have 30 more hangars taking in 350/mo. with
> planes in them buying fuel, food, oil and supplies than the status quo
> paying 50.00 more per month.
>
> Kobra

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "Kobra"
> wrote:

> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?

$459/month

electricity (not metered), but only 1 15 amp circuit (not including
the door)

electric bifold doors

asphalt floor

I think it's 44' wide or 46' wide.

Rumor has it that Massport does a good job plowing.

--
Bob Noel

[Stu Gotts]

Depends on what part of the country you're in.


On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:36:00 -0500, "Kobra"
> wrote:

>I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
>paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
>Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
>are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
>bad.
>
>When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
>later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
>bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
>give us a lease.
>
>That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that the
>owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
>there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
>properly.
>
>My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
>with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
>airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for 65.00/mo.
>
>Kobra
>

[Stu Gotts]

Gainesville or Bridgeport?

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 16:43:41 -0600, Ross Richardson >
wrote:

>In North Texas about 70 miles north of Dallas I pay $155/month with a
>concrete floor, sliding doors, and pretty clean. There is another set
>that are built the same but older and have varing degrees of concrete
>and asphalt for the same price. the end T-hangar and a half rents for
>$175 because they are larger. 100LL is $1.89 weekdays adn $1.84
>weekends. the city is planning on building new hangars and there is a
>proposed rent increase. We have 24 hour access to our terminal and 24
>hour credit card fuel. Now, the closer you go to Dallas the more hangars
>go for. We have the really work to keep the rent reasonable. I was the
>chairman of the airport board for 5 years.
>
>Kobra wrote:
>>
>> I'm in NJ at N14. There's a waiting list here too. The owner has a zoning
>> approval for 30 more hangars, but he refuses to build them. He is afraid
>> that it will devalue the existing hangars.
>>
>> I don't get it. I'd rather have 30 more hangars taking in 350/mo. with
>> planes in them buying fuel, food, oil and supplies than the status quo
>> paying 50.00 more per month.
>>
>> Kobra

[John]

I've heard that the hangar rental at TTN - Trenton, NJ - just went from
$365/month to around $500/month.

Too steep for me!

John

[G.R. Patterson III]

Kobra wrote:
>
> That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that the
> owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
> there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
> properly.

He is correct.

> My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
> with free electric and stiff manual doors?

That's up to you, not us.

George Patterson
If you're not part of the solution, you can make a lot of money prolonging
the problem.

[Wayne]

$192 per month for a T hangar with electric bifold door that stops on it's
own at full open and close.. Floor is concrete and electric is included.
Located at HGR
Wayne

"Kobra" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
> Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
> are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
> bad.
>
> When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
> later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
> bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
> give us a lease.
>
> That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that
the
> owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
> there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
> properly.
>
> My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
> with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
> airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for
65.00/mo.
>
> Kobra
>
>

[Greg Piney]

$300 is just about the going rate in NJ.

Greg Piney

Kobra wrote:
> I'm in NJ at N14. There's a waiting list here too. The owner has a zoning
> approval for 30 more hangars, but he refuses to build them. He is afraid
> that it will devalue the existing hangars.
>
> I don't get it. I'd rather have 30 more hangars taking in 350/mo. with
> planes in them buying fuel, food, oil and supplies than the status quo
> paying 50.00 more per month.
>
> Kobra
>
>

[john price]

As someone else said $300 is about the going price in NJ... I'm
up at 47N... One of my hangars is an end unit in an open hangar...
Previous tenent put in some recycled paving material so it is a little
better than a dirt floor.. Leaks like crazy... Worse since the hurricane...
Manual doors... Mine have been worked on and work fairly well... $300...
Other hangar is a good T with block walls and full floor... Only minor leaks
and great manual doors... $300...

John Price
CFII/AGI/IGI
http://home.att.net/~jm.price


"Kobra" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
> Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
> are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
> bad.
>
> When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
> later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
> bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
> give us a lease.
>
> That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that
the
> owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
> there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
> properly.
>
> My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
> with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
> airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for
65.00/mo.
>
> Kobra
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?

You'll hate it when I tell you that the City just jacked our hangar rent
10%...to $121.00 per month.

That's a partial concrete (directly under the plane) floor, with pea gravel
everywhere else (which we've covered with astroturf), and a manual door.
We've got a window, the only one in the row, cuz we're on the end cap --
which gives us 33% more space than a "regular" T-hangar.

Electricity is "all you can use" (no one has ever blown a fuse yet), and
we've installed a little kitchenette (with fridge, freezer, microwave, and,
of course, blender), porta-potty, and dining area. Two couches, shelves and
a workbench round it out.

The only downside? The taxiway is breaking up, and there's no money in the
city budget to fix it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[jim rosinski]

"Kobra" > wrote:

> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?

T-hangar, crumbling concrete floor, electric bi-fold door. I pay the
guy with the lease $135/mo to keep my plane there. He keeps his
various odds and ends where the plane isn't. The entire rent is
around $270. 2v2, Longmont, CO. 10 miles NE of Boulder.

> My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
> with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
> airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for 65.00/mo.

Depends on what the alternative is. If the only practical one
available is outside tiedown, they'd really have me by the short hairs
and could command a pretty high premium. Not sure what the dollar
figure would be that would cause me to bail. Guess I don't want to
contemplate it.

Jim Rosinski
N3825Q

[Gene Seibel]

ALN - St Louis Regional Airport at Alton, Illinois - $140 per month +
electricity. New, electric door, concrete floor.
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.


> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>

[Paul]

S44 Spanaway Washington

$155.00 for a tee hanger with concrete floor under the plane, power, and
locking gates.
Outside tie down $35.00 per month

Cheers:

Paul
NC2273H

[Kathy]

At Caldwell Idaho near Boise, $170 a month for a clean T hangar with
concrete floor, electricity, electric folding door, no heat. Tie down
charges seem to be waived once you're one of the regulars.

Kathy

[Tony]

Im on a waiting list for hanger space in the sunny SOCAL high desert
KAPV. They are T hangers 200/mo free lights, water i think. They are
building 100 more. tiedowns 40/mo. has night sucerity. gas is around
2.45 gal. At L26 hesperia airport gas is 1.90 with discount or 2.14
w/out.

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[OSKI 3]

Paying $175 for Hangar with rolling doors,
Cement floors,I supply Electricity. LOcated in Zephyrhills,
FL. so no heat needed.

Bill OParowski

[Gig Giacona]

"Tony" > wrote in message
...
> Im on a waiting list for hanger space in the sunny SOCAL high desert
> KAPV. They are T hangers 200/mo free lights, water i think. They are
> building 100 more. tiedowns 40/mo. has night sucerity. gas is around
> 2.45 gal. At L26 hesperia airport gas is 1.90 with discount or 2.14
> w/out.
>
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At least you guys get to rent a hanger or have the chance to rent one in the
future. Here in El Dorado AR ELD you have the option of paying $100+/month
for a spot in a big hanger or paying $365/yr and building your own. Which
in the long run is a better deal BUT is tough when you are trying to build
and pay for the airplane in the first place.

[Martin Kosina]

"Kobra" > wrote in message >...
> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
> Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
> are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
> bad.
>
> When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
> later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
> bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
> give us a lease.
>
> That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that the
> owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
> there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
> properly.
>
> My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
> with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
> airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for 65.00/mo.
>
> Kobra


I pay $198 for an OK asphalt-floor T, with electricity in Portland, OR
(KTTD), a major metro area in the Pacific NW. Tiedown is $25, so $173
for the hangaring priviledge. I do owner-assisted annuals and
maintenance, which I figure saves about $1000/yr (maybe little more),
the real reason why I hanger instead of tie-down. After that, the pure
convenience/peace-of-mind-when-the-wind-is-blowing charge works out to
about $90/mo, which is really pushing it for me. Probably wouldn't do
it for more. I think any property management company worth its salt
has this reserached for a given area/owner demographics, and the local
prices reflect that. The real problem for all of us is when this works
out to be less than what housing developers are willing to pay....

[vincent p. norris]

At University Park, PA, rent for a T-hangar just big enough for a
Cherokee, macadam floor, manual doors, is $159/month.

vince norris

[Gilan]

down here in Leesburg Florida you can get a brand new T-hanger with electric
and a nice new smooth concrete floor and easy to open doors for $250.00.

--
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[Greg Burkhart]

I had a hangar in McAllen, TX (MFE) which was a large 3-sided (open door)
hangar that held probably 6 planes in there arranged every-which-way for
$90/month. Would have to call the FBO or arrive early to have them get my
plane pulled out, which usually meant moving at least one other out of the
way.

I moved to Humboldt, IA (0k7) last year and rented a hangar from the city
for $35/month which had an electric door but I shared it with a Cessna
Cardinal that I would have to move out first to get my plane out. Was
blacktopped in the area for the planes but the rest was a dirt floor for the
city's Christmas decorations, a couple cars and some tractors and a boat in
there too...

6 months ago I moved the plane to Sleepy Eye, MN (Y58) and got a T-hangar
with manual doors and was a 3-place with dirt floor except for cement pads
to park the planes on. I had the middle hangar on the back side (only hangar
that faced the back so I'm not sure how well that taxiway will get plowed in
the winter). There was a trailer and boat in one hangar and a Cherokee in
the other. Cost is $40/month. Problem is that it's 30 mile drive from here
and over 50 miles from work so I haven't flown too much lately. :-(

Just got a call from the airport manager here in St James, MN (JYG) saying
there is an open hangar available for $55/month or $50/month if paid for 6
months. I'm going to try and get into it tomorrow! It's only a couple miles
from here and 'only' 25 miles from work...

I'd like to get hangar space at Fairmont, MN (FRM) and also find a place to
live there too since that's where I'm now working. So far, the hangars are
filled there, but still waiting...

[Roger Tracy]

$80 /month. Newer hangar. Electric door. Concrete floor. Clean. Uncontrolled
airport.


"Kobra" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
> Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
> are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
> bad.
>
> When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
> later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
> bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
> give us a lease.
>
> That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that
the
> owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
> there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
> properly.
>
> My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
> with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
> airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for
65.00/mo.
>
> Kobra
>
>

[Ben Smith]

"Kobra" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?

87Y (6NM away from Madison, WI), $211/mo for a full asphalt T-hangar,
includes electric. Bi-fold door. Uncontrolled field with 2 runways, no
transient services, and an uncertain future.

--
Ben
C-172 - N13258 @ 87Y

[Colin Kingsbury]

You at Bedford, Bob? This is my first season owning there, I'm at the Tower
Ramp tiedowns, which cost $110/mo for a 172.

Don't forget that $500 also gets you the chance to pay $75 to get
fingerprinted, and for no extra money the guards at the air force base will
harass you when you try to drive up if your auto inspection sticker is out
of date.

As for how good a job Massport does plowing, I just hope they do better than
the state does on 128.

-cwk.

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Kobra"
> > wrote:
>
> > I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> > paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
> $459/month
>
> electricity (not metered), but only 1 15 amp circuit (not including
> the door)
>
> electric bifold doors
>
> asphalt floor
>
> I think it's 44' wide or 46' wide.
>
> Rumor has it that Massport does a good job plowing.
>
> --
> Bob Noel

[Bob Noel]

In article .net>,
"Colin Kingsbury" > wrote:

> You at Bedford, Bob?

yes sir.

> This is my first season owning there, I'm at the
> Tower
> Ramp tiedowns, which cost $110/mo for a 172.

well, the tie-downs had been $85/month since before 1994.


> Don't forget that $500 also gets you the chance to pay $75 to get
> fingerprinted, and for no extra money the guards at the air force base
> will
> harass you when you try to drive up if your auto inspection sticker is
> out
> of date.

don't forget to buckle your seatbelt.

(actually, I don't need to get on HAFB to get to my hangar).


>
> As for how good a job Massport does plowing, I just hope they do better
> than
> the state does on 128.

They do. This is my first year in a T-hangar, but massport did
a decent job plowing the tie-downs the years I had my airplane
on the east ramp. Note that they can cut your ropes if they
plow when your airplane is not there. Shovelling out what
isn't plowed is no fun - I used to use a snowblower to (carefully)
clear out the airplane.

--
Bob Noel

[Tom S.]

"Bill T." > wrote in message
...
> for years i was on a waiting list to get a hangar at SQL.
>
> then 13 years ago i bought a lot at an airpark and built a house
> with attached 40x50 hangar. i live right next to the runway, and i'm
> in the air 5 minutes after i have a whim to go fly.
>
> hangar rent = zero, with appreciating real estate values.
>
> there's plenty of airparks in the USA, if you own a plane i think it's
> the way to go.
>
http://www.airporthomes.com/viewhomes.htm (All regions of the US).

[Bill T.]

for years i was on a waiting list to get a hangar at SQL.

then 13 years ago i bought a lot at an airpark and built a house
with attached 40x50 hangar. i live right next to the runway, and i'm
in the air 5 minutes after i have a whim to go fly.

hangar rent = zero, with appreciating real estate values.

there's plenty of airparks in the USA, if you own a plane i think it's
the way to go.

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:36:00 -0500, "Kobra"
> wrote:

>I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
>paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
>Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
>are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
>bad.
>
>When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
>later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
>bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
>give us a lease.
>
>That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that the
>owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
>there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
>properly.
>
>My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
>with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
>airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for 65.00/mo.
>
>Kobra
>
>

[Dan Servais]

I am paying $150/mo for a T-hanger, asphalt floor, manual door, no
electricity, county owned at a class D controlled airport. Yearly
lease, no heat. They plow up to the door (snow!)...

Dan Servais N5777U
PA28-140 Based at Janesville, WI JVL

On Thu, 6 Nov 2003 16:36:00 -0500, "Kobra"
> wrote:

>I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
>paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
>Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
>are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
>bad.
>
>When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
>later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
>bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
>give us a lease.
>
>That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that the
>owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
>there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
>properly.
>
>My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
>with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
>airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for 65.00/mo.
>
>Kobra
>

[Paul]

You guys need to move to North Carolina. I have a hangar on a private
grass strip, and it costs only $25 per month. I couldn't even conceive
of paying $300 or up per month, thats just rediculous.

Pauly

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[Craig]

Paul > wrote in message >...
> You guys need to move to North Carolina. I have a hangar on a private
> grass strip, and it costs only $25 per month. I couldn't even conceive
> of paying $300 or up per month, thats just rediculous.
>

I'd only have to take a 60% reduction in pay to move there.....

Craig C.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Paul wrote:
>
> You guys need to move to North Carolina. I have a hangar on a private
> grass strip, and it costs only $25 per month.

Only a few more years and I'm there. Are you close to Asheville, perhaps? Is
the airport on a sectional?

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

[Jay Honeck]

> > You guys need to move to North Carolina. I have a hangar on a private
> > grass strip, and it costs only $25 per month. I couldn't even conceive
> > of paying $300 or up per month, thats just rediculous.
> >
>
> I'd only have to take a 60% reduction in pay to move there.....

Yeah, well, if everything else costs proportionally the same, you'd only
need to make 8% of what you're earning now... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Larry Smith]

"Paul" > wrote in message
...
> You guys need to move to North Carolina. I have a hangar on a private
> grass strip, and it costs only $25 per month. I couldn't even conceive
> of paying $300 or up per month, thats just rediculous.
>
> Pauly
>
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I flew through West Virginia this summer. There were towns there where
hangar rent was $25 a month, but the economy was dismal. I landed at one
beautiful mountaintop strip where only one active aircraft stayed, a Cessna
172. The other aircraft were hangar queens with falling-down hangars. It
was sad to see. The 172 owner said his hangar rent was $100 per year.

I live in WNC. Hangar rent here is high, especially at AVL. Where is
this NC hangar paradise?

[Ray Andraka]

IIRC, it went from $50/mo to $85/mo in 1992 or 1993, and back then the ramp
plowing was random. Sometimes it would be plowed pretty close to the
airplane, others you'd have to shovel out a 50' path between the airplane and
the shovelled lane. $110/mo is ridiculous. Even PVD, which doesn't want us
there, is only $52/mo for tiedowns, and they'll often do what they can to
stuff you in a hangar if there is severe weather predicted.

Bob Noel wrote:

> In article .net>,
> "Colin Kingsbury" > wrote:
>
> > You at Bedford, Bob?
>
> yes sir.
>
> > This is my first season owning there, I'm at the
> > Tower
> > Ramp tiedowns, which cost $110/mo for a 172.
>
> well, the tie-downs had been $85/month since before 1994.
>
> > Don't forget that $500 also gets you the chance to pay $75 to get
> > fingerprinted, and for no extra money the guards at the air force base
> > will
> > harass you when you try to drive up if your auto inspection sticker is
> > out
> > of date.
>
> don't forget to buckle your seatbelt.
>
> (actually, I don't need to get on HAFB to get to my hangar).
>
> >
> > As for how good a job Massport does plowing, I just hope they do better
> > than
> > the state does on 128.
>
> They do. This is my first year in a T-hangar, but massport did
> a decent job plowing the tie-downs the years I had my airplane
> on the east ramp. Note that they can cut your ropes if they
> plow when your airplane is not there. Shovelling out what
> isn't plowed is no fun - I used to use a snowblower to (carefully)
> clear out the airplane.
>
> --
> Bob Noel

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[M.E. Borner]

At HPN (White Plains, NY) the deal is a little different. $72,000 gets
you a 15 year lease on a 45' T, concrete floor, electricity. After the
lease is up I get to pay again for another 15 years. That works out to
about $400/mo. not counting that they have the use of your money
during the lease term. When I moved from tie downs to the hanger the
tie down rate was $180/mo. but I understand it has gone up twice since
9/11. I think it is now around $240. Since they were built (about 4
years ago) there has been a long waiting list for hangers and I think
only a few have changed hands - I was one of the luck ones. There were
rumors of building some more but I have not heard or seen any activity
on that in a couple of years - probably another project victim of 9-11
aviation blues.

"Kobra" > wrote in message >...
> I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
> Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
> are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
> bad.
>
> When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
> later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
> bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
> give us a lease.
>
> That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that the
> owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
> there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
> properly.
>
> My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
> with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
> airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for 65.00/mo.
>
> Kobra

[PaulaJay1]

In article >,
(M.E. Borner) writes:

>At HPN (White Plains, NY) the deal is a little different. $72,000 gets
>you a 15 year lease on a 45' T, concrete floor, electricity. After the
>lease is up I get to pay again for another 15 years. That works out to
>about $400/mo. not counting that they have the use of your money
>during the lease term.

Paying up front about doubles the effective cost. Wow, $800/mo.

Chuck

[Dan Thomas]

The guy in rural North Carolina is right. Living in the boondocks
means making less money, but other things more than make up for it.
I'm in rural Alberta, Canada. Paved and lighted 3000' airport. I
bought an old hangar for $1000, gravel floor, doors that work. Lease
on the land is 100/yr, taxes are $75. So $175/yr works out to
$15/month. Airport's 2 1/2 miles from home. I can bicycle it. I work
there, too.
But it needs new metal roofing. $500. Almost as much as some of
you guys pay for a month's rent. Awful, ain't it?

Dan

[R. Hubbell]

On 3 Dec 2003 17:08:17 -0800 (Dan Thomas) wrote:

> The guy in rural North Carolina is right. Living in the boondocks
> means making less money, but other things more than make up for it.
> I'm in rural Alberta, Canada. Paved and lighted 3000' airport. I
> bought an old hangar for $1000, gravel floor, doors that work. Lease
> on the land is 100/yr, taxes are $75. So $175/yr works out to
> $15/month. Airport's 2 1/2 miles from home. I can bicycle it. I work
> there, too.
> But it needs new metal roofing. $500. Almost as much as some of
> you guys pay for a month's rent. Awful, ain't it?
>
> Dan


Ok I like the prices you pay but how often does weather become a limiting
factor? Can you ride your bike year round to the airport?
Okay, sorry I think I know the answer. ;) But since you're runbing it in
I figured you should at least let us know how often you can fly.

R. Hubbell

[Ben Haas]

(M.E. Borner) wrote in message >...
> At HPN (White Plains, NY) the deal is a little different. $72,000 gets
> you a 15 year lease on a 45' T, concrete floor, electricity. After the
> lease is up I get to pay again for another 15 years. That works out to
> about $400/mo. not counting that they have the use of your money
> during the lease term. When I moved from tie downs to the hanger the
> tie down rate was $180/mo. but I understand it has gone up twice since
> 9/11. I think it is now around $240. Since they were built (about 4
> years ago) there has been a long waiting list for hangers and I think
> only a few have changed hands - I was one of the luck ones. There were
> rumors of building some more but I have not heard or seen any activity
> on that in a couple of years - probably another project victim of 9-11
> aviation blues.
>
>
You think this is a deal?????????????????????? WOW..


"Kobra" > wrote in message >...
> > I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> > paying for their hangars and what is provided?
> >
> > Mine is a T-hanger with a dirt floor, free electric and manual doors that
> > are a bear to open and close. The hangar is damp of course, but not too
> > bad.
> >
> > When we first secured it the rent was 240.00 and no lease. A few months
> > later it went up to 280.00 and no lease. Just last month we got our fuel
> > bill and the hangar rent went up again to 300.00 and the owner refuses to
> > give us a lease.
> >
> > That's a 60.00/mo. increase in less than a year. The rumor has it that the
> > owner is going to keep raising the rent until people start moving out and
> > there are a few empty hangars. At that point he feels they will be priced
> > properly.
> >
> > My question is: at what price would you walk out of a dirt floor T-hangar
> > with free electric and stiff manual doors? There are no other local
> > airports with similar hangars that are empty. A tie-down goes for 65.00/mo.
> >
> > Kobra

[Malcolm Teas]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<1YEqb.133044$Fm2.111292@attbi_s04>...
> > I don't know if this has been covered before, but how much is everyone
> > paying for their hangars and what is provided?
>
> You'll hate it when I tell you that the City just jacked our hangar rent
> 10%...to $121.00 per month.

....

> The only downside? The taxiway is breaking up, and there's no money in the
> city budget to fix it.

Shoot. At that price y'all oughta take up a collection from the
hanger renters to fix the taxiway. You wouldn't wan the city to get
ideas after all...

-Malcolm Teas

[Dan Thomas]

"R. Hubbell" > wrote in message news:<Gcyzb.20643$ZE1.18345@fed1read04>...
> On 3 Dec 2003 17:08:17 -0800 (Dan Thomas) wrote:
>
> > The guy in rural North Carolina is right. Living in the boondocks
> > means making less money, but other things more than make up for it.
> > I'm in rural Alberta, Canada. Paved and lighted 3000' airport. I
> > bought an old hangar for $1000, gravel floor, doors that work. Lease
> > on the land is 100/yr, taxes are $75. So $175/yr works out to
> > $15/month. Airport's 2 1/2 miles from home. I can bicycle it. I work
> > there, too.
> > But it needs new metal roofing. $500. Almost as much as some of
> > you guys pay for a month's rent. Awful, ain't it?
> >
> > Dan
>
>
> Ok I like the prices you pay but how often does weather become a limiting
> factor? Can you ride your bike year round to the airport?
> Okay, sorry I think I know the answer. ;) But since you're runbing it in
> I figured you should at least let us know how often you can fly.
>
> R. Hubbell

This part of Canada gets more days of sunshine than anywhere else
in the country. I don't often ride my bike in the winter, but some of
the guys here ride year-round. The unbikeable days are when there's a
blizzard blowing and nobody, not even those in cars, get very far.
Those aren't too frequent.
The weather isn't the limiting factor around here. It's the
available time. I sometimes fly at lunch, as I did today. Air was
clear as crystal, smooth as silk. I could easily see the Rockies 75
miles away. Sometimes I take my wife on a Sunday afternoon and fly
over to another small town and land on their grass strip, one block
from one of the best little restaurants anywhere.
I can almost hear the groans. I'm sorry. Sort of.

Dan

[G.R. Patterson III]

Dan Thomas wrote:
>
> I can almost hear the groans. I'm sorry. Sort of.

Don't be on my account. I prefer somewhat warmer climes.

George Patterson
Some people think they hear a call to the priesthood when what they really
hear is a tiny voice whispering "It's indoor work with no heavy lifting".

[John Roncallo]

Ray Andraka wrote:

> IIRC, it went from $50/mo to $85/mo in 1992 or 1993, and back then the ramp
> plowing was random. Sometimes it would be plowed pretty close to the
> airplane, others you'd have to shovel out a 50' path between the airplane and
> the shovelled lane. $110/mo is ridiculous. Even PVD, which doesn't want us
> there, is only $52/mo for tiedowns, and they'll often do what they can to
> stuff you in a hangar if there is severe weather predicted.
>
PVD is only $52/month in a class C. Our club pays 95/month for tiedown
at a non-towered airport 4B8 in Plainville CT and 65/month at MMK in
Meriden CT. I guess they are making it up on the new RI landing fees.

John Roncallo

[John Roncallo]

Ben Haas wrote:

> (M.E. Borner) wrote in message >...
>
>>At HPN (White Plains, NY) the deal is a little different. $72,000 gets
>>you a 15 year lease on a 45' T, concrete floor, electricity. After the
>>lease is up I get to pay again for another 15 years. That works out to
>>about $400/mo. not counting that they have the use of your money
>>during the lease term. When I moved from tie downs to the hanger the
>>tie down rate was $180/mo. but I understand it has gone up twice since
>>9/11. I think it is now around $240. Since they were built (about 4
>>years ago) there has been a long waiting list for hangers and I think
>>only a few have changed hands - I was one of the luck ones. There were
>>rumors of building some more but I have not heard or seen any activity
>>on that in a couple of years - probably another project victim of 9-11
>>aviation blues.
>>
>>
>
> You think this is a deal?????????????????????? WOW..
>

As they say in real estate Location, Location, Location. Its about as
close a GA airport to NYC as you can get

John Roncallo

[KAviate]

At Caldwell Idaho near Boise, $170 a month for a clean T hangar with
concrete floor, electricity, electric folding door, no heat. Tie down
charges seem to be waived once you're one of the regulars.

Kathy

Kathy, Are there other spaces available at that rate? Thanks John

[KAviate]

Kathy, Are there other spaces available at that rate? Thanks John


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