Editorial Page

[John Purner]

Finally!

I've wanted to add an Editorial page to The $100 Hamburger website since we
started it in 1996. After eight years four books and several reprinting of
"The $100 Hamburger" book, I've found the time to do it. In additon to our
views, there is a Letters to the Editor section. I truly hope that many from
this group will contribute. Afterall debate is good and there is no better
debate than in this News Group.
http://www.100dollarhamburger.com

--
John Purner
Editor - The $100 Hamburger
http://www.100dollarhamburger.com

[Ron Natalie]

"John Purner" > wrote in message ...
> Finally!
>
> I've wanted to add an Editorial page to The $100 Hamburger website since we
> started it in 1996. After eight years four books and several reprinting of
> "The $100 Hamburger" book,

And what do we get out of it. Seems like you've made good money off
the newsgroup doing your research for you and we didn't even get a lousy t-shirt.

[Mike Beede]

In article >, Ron Natalie > wrote:

> "John Purner" > wrote in message ...
> > Finally!
> >
> > I've wanted to add an Editorial page to The $100 Hamburger website since we
> > started it in 1996. After eight years four books and several reprinting of
> > "The $100 Hamburger" book,
>
> And what do we get out of it. Seems like you've made good money off
> the newsgroup doing your research for you and we didn't even get a lousy t-shirt.

As of August 2001 I got a reply to a report including this:

> All PIREP's sent to the $100 Hamburger including yours become the sole
> property of TPWI. It may be posted on the Internet or used in other
> ways at
> the sole discretion of TPWI. No compensation of any kind will be paid
> to you,
> now or in the future.

Kind of . . . rude. My take is that no one will send more than
one report (actually I sent several before the first reply).

Mike Beede

[plumb bob]

"Mike Beede" > wrote in message
...
> > And what do we get out of it. Seems like you've made good money off
> > the newsgroup doing your research for you and we didn't even get a lousy
t-shirt.
>
> As of August 2001 I got a reply to a report including this:
>
> > All PIREP's sent to the $100 Hamburger including yours become the sole
> > property of TPWI. It may be posted on the Internet or used in other
> > ways at
> > the sole discretion of TPWI. No compensation of any kind will be paid
> > to you,
> > now or in the future.
>
> Kind of . . . rude. My take is that no one will send more than
> one report (actually I sent several before the first reply).

Well, it is the truth, is it not? Why do people get a crab up their ass when
someone takes a FREE idea and makes a buck off it. Good for him and I've
never bought the book. So don't buy the book and shut up, ok. Find something
significant to bitch and complain about instead.

-- Plumb Bob

[Judah]

Oh geez. I can see it now...

"I submitted an article for The $100 Hamburger and all I got was this lousy
T-Shirt" t-shirts...



"Ron Natalie" > wrote in
m:

>
> "John Purner" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Finally!
>>
>> I've wanted to add an Editorial page to The $100 Hamburger website
>> since we started it in 1996. After eight years four books and several
>> reprinting of "The $100 Hamburger" book,
>
> And what do we get out of it. Seems like you've made good money off
> the newsgroup doing your research for you and we didn't even get a
> lousy t-shirt.
>

[Mike Beede]

In article <t52Nb.51207$I06.290642@attbi_s01>, plumb bob > wrote:

> > Kind of . . . rude. My take is that no one will send more than
> > one report (actually I sent several before the first reply).
>
> Well, it is the truth, is it not? Why do people get a crab up their ass when
> someone takes a FREE idea and makes a buck off it. Good for him and I've
> never bought the book. So don't buy the book and shut up, ok. Find something
> significant to bitch and complain about instead.

Like I said, because it's rude. It goes without saying that I'm not getting
paid for the friggin' reports. Even if it didn't, email has no legal effect,
so why not send something that just says "thanks a lot" instead of
something that sounds like it was crapped out by a lawyer? As for
"significant," it always astounds me how there's always someone
that gets a crab up their ass when someone bitches about something.

Mike Beede

P.S., By the way, I've never heard "gets a crab up their ass" before. Very
picturesque. Thanks.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Mike Beede" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Ron Natalie
> wrote:
>
> > "John Purner" > wrote in message
...
> > > Finally!
> > >
> > > I've wanted to add an Editorial page to The $100 Hamburger website
since we
> > > started it in 1996. After eight years four books and several
reprinting of
> > > "The $100 Hamburger" book,
> >
> > And what do we get out of it. Seems like you've made good money off
> > the newsgroup doing your research for you and we didn't even get a lousy
t-shirt.
>
> As of August 2001 I got a reply to a report including this:
>
> > All PIREP's sent to the $100 Hamburger including yours become the sole
> > property of TPWI. It may be posted on the Internet or used in other
> > ways at
> > the sole discretion of TPWI. No compensation of any kind will be paid
> > to you,
> > now or in the future.
>
> Kind of . . . rude. My take is that no one will send more than
> one report (actually I sent several before the first reply).
>
Standard disclaimer in the publishing industry, MT.

[R.Hubbell]

Note to Jay Honig: Don't let someone like this take your museum list.


R. Hubbell



On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:35:58 GMT "John Purner" > wrote:

> Finally!
>
> I've wanted to add an Editorial page to The $100 Hamburger website since we
> started it in 1996. After eight years four books and several reprinting of
> "The $100 Hamburger" book, I've found the time to do it. In additon to our
> views, there is a Letters to the Editor section. I truly hope that many from
> this group will contribute. Afterall debate is good and there is no better
> debate than in this News Group.
> http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
>
> --
> John Purner
> Editor - The $100 Hamburger
> http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
>
>

[plumb bob]

"Mike Beede" > wrote in message
...
> In article <t52Nb.51207$I06.290642@attbi_s01>, plumb bob
> wrote:
>
> > > Kind of . . . rude. My take is that no one will send more than
> > > one report (actually I sent several before the first reply).
> >
> > Well, it is the truth, is it not? Why do people get a crab up their ass
when
> > someone takes a FREE idea and makes a buck off it. Good for him and I've
> > never bought the book. So don't buy the book and shut up, ok. Find
something
> > significant to bitch and complain about instead.
>
> Like I said, because it's rude. It goes without saying that I'm not
getting
> paid for the friggin' reports. Even if it didn't, email has no legal
effect,
> so why not send something that just says "thanks a lot" instead of
> something that sounds like it was crapped out by a lawyer? As for
> "significant," it always astounds me how there's always someone
> that gets a crab up their ass when someone bitches about something.

Go cry yourself a river, over nothing.

> Mike Beede
>
> P.S., By the way, I've never heard "gets a crab up their ass" before.
Very
> picturesque. Thanks.

You're welcome. It's my own idea. And it is free. You're welcome to use it,
make a profit from it, and I will not charge you for it.

[plumb bob]

Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay Honeck is,
by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup yet you don't
challenge him. Personally, I don't have a problem - the man has to make a
living and I kind of like him except that he likes to bring up his knuckle
dragger conservasheep politics occasionally.

Let's have some consistency around here - either all commercial messages are
acceptable, or none. All whores allowed, or none at all... that is what I
say.

-- Plumb Bob (straight up opinions, screw the PC police and you too if you
disagree)


"R.Hubbell" > wrote in message
...
>
> Note to Jay Honig: Don't let someone like this take your museum list.
>
>
> R. Hubbell
>
>
>
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:35:58 GMT "John Purner"
> wrote:
>
> > Finally!
> >
> > I've wanted to add an Editorial page to The $100 Hamburger website since
we
> > started it in 1996. After eight years four books and several reprinting
of
> > "The $100 Hamburger" book, I've found the time to do it. In additon to
our
> > views, there is a Letters to the Editor section. I truly hope that many
from
> > this group will contribute. Afterall debate is good and there is no
better
> > debate than in this News Group.
> > http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
> >
> > --
> > John Purner
> > Editor - The $100 Hamburger
> > http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
> >
> >

[R.Hubbell]

On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 23:07:07 GMT "plumb bob" > wrote:

>
> Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay Honeck is,
> by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup yet you don't
> challenge him. Personally, I don't have a problem - the man has to make a
> living and I kind of like him except that he likes to bring up his knuckle
> dragger conservasheep politics occasionally.
>
> Let's have some consistency around here - either all commercial messages are
> acceptable, or none. All whores allowed, or none at all... that is what I
> say.

That's all funny stuff! Commercial messages are acceptable in *.marketplace
only.


R. Hubbell

>
> -- Plumb Bob (straight up opinions, screw the PC police and you too if you
> disagree)
>
>
> "R.Hubbell" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Note to Jay Honig: Don't let someone like this take your museum list.
> >
> >
> > R. Hubbell
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 20:35:58 GMT "John Purner"
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Finally!
> > >
> > > I've wanted to add an Editorial page to The $100 Hamburger website since
> we
> > > started it in 1996. After eight years four books and several reprinting
> of
> > > "The $100 Hamburger" book, I've found the time to do it. In additon to
> our
> > > views, there is a Letters to the Editor section. I truly hope that many
> from
> > > this group will contribute. Afterall debate is good and there is no
> better
> > > debate than in this News Group.
> > > http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > John Purner
> > > Editor - The $100 Hamburger
> > > http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
> > >
> > >
>
>

[Jim Weir]

Excuse me, when you have the balls to sign a real name and a real email addy to
your posts, you have the right to call somebody else a whore. Until then,
buddy, stuff it up your ass.

Jay posts some good stuff about his airplane, his travels, his wife, and his
kids. So far all I've seen you post is drivel about your hifalutin' standards
of this newsgroup.

Yes, Jay posts stuff about his hotel. And yes, I get pretty g.d. tired of Jay
telling me to make reservations because rooms are going fast. But the other
side of that is that the man is trying his level best to build the best aviation
hotel in the world. I'm willing to cut him some slack.

And you, sir? What have YOU done selflessly to advance the cause of aviation?

Jim


"plumb bob" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->
->Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay Honeck is,
->by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup yet you don't
->challenge him.
Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[G.R. Patterson III]

plumb bob wrote:
>
> Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay Honeck is,
> by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup yet you don't
> challenge him.

Jay makes a lot of good contributions to this group. You, on the other hand, seem
to be simply a foul-mouthed SOB.

You also seem to be a few degrees off plumb, Bob.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[plumb bob]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
> plumb bob wrote:
> >
> > Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay Honeck
is,
> > by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup yet you don't
> > challenge him.
>
> Jay makes a lot of good contributions to this group. You, on the other
hand, seem
> to be simply a foul-mouthed SOB.
>
> You also seem to be a few degrees off plumb, Bob.

Then it seems that I have made my point. One guy gets blasted for posting
commercial content, the other does not. Are you the annointed keeper of this
newsgroup? Or is that Jim Weir, who seems to think that he is a major
contributor to the world at large?

[plumb bob]

"Jim Weir" > wrote in message
...
> Excuse me, when you have the balls to sign a real name and a real email
addy to
> your posts, you have the right to call somebody else a whore. Until then,
> buddy, stuff it up your ass.

I should point out that I am not your buddy.

> Jay posts some good stuff about his airplane, his travels, his wife, and
his
> kids. So far all I've seen you post is drivel about your hifalutin'
standards
> of this newsgroup.

He can post whatever he likes. But then so must others be able to post
commercial content without the wrath of some people around here. All I am
saying is be fair.

> Yes, Jay posts stuff about his hotel. And yes, I get pretty g.d. tired of
Jay
> telling me to make reservations because rooms are going fast. But the
other
> side of that is that the man is trying his level best to build the best
aviation
> hotel in the world. I'm willing to cut him some slack.
>
> And you, sir? What have YOU done selflessly to advance the cause of
aviation?

I have done absolutely nothing for the selfless advancement of aviation. I
have however done work in other areas but I'm not trying to compete with you
for some sort of halo that you seem to be wanting to claim. So you go ahead
and claim your "selfless advancement of aviation" award. There is nothing
quite like like putting a feather in your own cap.

> Jim
>
>
> "plumb bob" >
> shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
>
> ->
> ->Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay Honeck
is,
> ->by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup yet you don't
> ->challenge him.

[Mike Beede]

In article <vYjNb.53343$sv6.129316@attbi_s52>, plumb bob > wrote:

> Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay Honeck is,
> by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup yet you don't
> challenge him. Personally, I don't have a problem - the man has to make a
> living and I kind of like him except that he likes to bring up his knuckle
> dragger conservasheep politics occasionally.

As I see it, Jay is offering a unique product and
trying to give something back to the group while he's doing it.
However he does it, he manages to be entertaining and (in
spite of politics) pretty inoffensive while doing it.

There's a fine line between spam and entertainment, and I
can't define it--but like art, I know what I like. And I like
Jay and intend to visit him sometime.

Mike Beede

[Mike Beede]

In article <vFwNb.72588$I06.325853@attbi_s01>, plumb bob > wrote:

> > But the other
> > side of that is that the man is trying his level best to build the best aviation
> > hotel in the world. I'm willing to cut him some slack.
> >
> > And you, sir? What have YOU done selflessly to advance the cause of aviation?
>
> I have done absolutely nothing for the selfless advancement of aviation. I
> have however done work in other areas but I'm not trying to compete with you
> for some sort of halo that you seem to be wanting to claim. So you go ahead
> and claim your "selfless advancement of aviation" award. There is nothing
> quite like like putting a feather in your own cap.

Um . . . you do know that Jim Weir and Jay Honek are different people, right?
Wait! Has anyone ever seen them both together?

Mike Beede

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Mike Beede" > wrote in message
...
> In article <vFwNb.72588$I06.325853@attbi_s01>, plumb bob
> wrote:
>
> > > But the other
> > > side of that is that the man is trying his level best to build the
best aviation
> > > hotel in the world. I'm willing to cut him some slack.
> > >
> > > And you, sir? What have YOU done selflessly to advance the cause of
aviation?
> >
> > I have done absolutely nothing for the selfless advancement of aviation.
I
> > have however done work in other areas but I'm not trying to compete with
you
> > for some sort of halo that you seem to be wanting to claim. So you go
ahead
> > and claim your "selfless advancement of aviation" award. There is
nothing
> > quite like like putting a feather in your own cap.
>
> Um . . . you do know that Jim Weir and Jay Honek are different people,
right?
> Wait! Has anyone ever seen them both together?
>

No, they are, in fact, the same person. "They" just have schizophrenia.

Right, Tom?

[Tom Sixkiller]

"plumb bob" > wrote in message
news:YswNb.73809$na.42333@attbi_s04...
> "G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > plumb bob wrote:
> > >
> > > Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay
Honeck
> is,
> > > by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup yet you don't
> > > challenge him.
> >
> > Jay makes a lot of good contributions to this group. You, on the other
> hand, seem
> > to be simply a foul-mouthed SOB.
> >
> > You also seem to be a few degrees off plumb, Bob.
>
> Then it seems that I have made my point. One guy gets blasted for posting
> commercial content, the other does not. Are you the annointed keeper of
this
> newsgroup? Or is that Jim Weir, who seems to think that he is a major
> contributor to the world at large?
>
I, too, have noticed that some here seem to have claimed squatters rights.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Mike Beede" > wrote in message
...
>
> As I see it, Jay is offering a unique product and
> trying to give something back to the group while he's doing it.

Well, hand buzzers and whoopee cushions are not what the group needs or
wants.

[VideoGuy]

"plumb bob" > wrote in message
news:vYjNb.53343$sv6.129316@attbi_s52...
>
> Excuse me. All you indignant little punks don't realize that Jay Honeck
is,
> by far, the biggest commercial whore on this newsgroup ...
[snip]
> -- Plumb Bob (straight up opinions, screw the PC police and you too if you
> disagree)
>
Jay Honeck posts are mostly on-topic, and interesting to me. While not yet
among those who have attained pilot status, my dream still lives; and if I
can stay "on plan" next year should be the year to begin.

Mr. Honeck's posts usually stimulate some discussion regarding aviation.
Others add to the dimension and considerable useful information is passed.
I've learned from these posts, and isn't this one of the goals of a
newsgroup? The fact that he also promotes his *aviation-related* business
is a small part of his posts, and certainly not worthy of plumb bob's
gutter speak.

OTOH, "plumb bob" whoever that is, generally has something negative, or
rude, or crude to say about another poster, or public figure, or newsgroup
policy. A quick Google search revealed such pleasantries from bob as:
"Them people on thah nuze groops just sez I gotta connect dis wire overhere.
I saved me a buck 'cos I shortzed the AP!"Idiot!or:
Hey moron. The temperature on any given day is not an indicator of an
increase (or decrease) of average global temperature. ****, you people
areTOTALLY retarded and:

You forgot. His real name is "Rene Steuben" a Republican paid whore and
liar.

Some may find this endearing, or mildly entertaining. However, it seems to
add little to the purpose of any newsgroup; about who's rules he
occasionally seems adamant. Maybe bob's attitude has deteriorated a lot
since he stopped smoking. Let's all wish him the best on that endeavor, and
maybe when he's sufficiently detoxified he'll be more charitable to those
who don't meet his standard of perfection.


VideoGuy

[Jay Honeck]

> Um . . . you do know that Jim Weir and Jay Honek are different people,
right?
> Wait! Has anyone ever seen them both together?

I actually DO have a picture taken with Jim (and his lovely wife) --
proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I am not Jim.

Much to Jim's relief, I'm sure!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Some may find this endearing, or mildly entertaining. However, it seems
to
> add little to the purpose of any newsgroup; about who's rules he
> occasionally seems adamant. Maybe bob's attitude has deteriorated a lot
> since he stopped smoking. Let's all wish him the best on that endeavor,
and
> maybe when he's sufficiently detoxified he'll be more charitable to those
> who don't meet his standard of perfection.

Hi Guys -- Jay "Smile when you call me 'whore!'" Honeck here. I'd just like
to add a few words to this somewhat bizarre discussion.

First off, the "$100 Hamburger" page was the first truly useful aviation
website I ever visited. To this day it actually performs a service that I,
as a traveling pilot, long for and desperately need. For this, I thank
John Purner, and wish him nothing but the best.

Secondly, Jim Weir has contributed more useful information to this newsgroup
than any ten of us combined. He does it with gentle (okay, sometimes not so
gentle!) good humor, a biting wit, and a thousand years of experience.
While he can be occasionally abrasive, I think I speak for Jim when I say
I'm sure it's all well-meant. Hell, without him, I'd still be hauling car
gas to the hangar in 5-gallon cans... ;-)

Third, our Plumb Bob seems to be yet another reincarnation of several
long-past, long-lost anonymous trolls. I can't quite remember all of his
previous stage names, but the attitude, inability to communicate in a civil
fashion, and general sour nature of his posts ring familiar to my ears.

Does the name "Machogrande" ring a bell with anyone else here?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[plumb bob]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:FiINb.76910$I06.335284@attbi_s01...
> Third, our Plumb Bob seems to be yet another reincarnation of several
> long-past, long-lost anonymous trolls. I can't quite remember all of his
> previous stage names, but the attitude, inability to communicate in a
civil
> fashion, and general sour nature of his posts ring familiar to my ears.
>
> Does the name "Machogrande" ring a bell with anyone else here?

Jay,

Of course I am a troll. But I am not "Machogrande".

Plumb Bob

P.S. How is the "Mars Suite" coming along?

[SeeAndAvoid]

I guess it's all in the delivery.

Jay's been here as long as I can remember, long before he got his dream
business off the ground. As a matter of fact he'd ask us for suggestions
and opinions about it as he went along. He's one of the most consistently
prolific posters in this group, and almost always done in a nice, non-rude,
non-flaming way. I don't care about someones politics, or religion, as long
as they don't go on about it constantly or try to bring me over to their way
of thinking. Never seen him do that. As far as 'commercial whore' here in
this newsgroup: he'd be broke and out of business if WE were his only
business, just a guess on my part.

As for the others that occasionally advertise on here, there's a couple
types. The hit-and-run type that never usually post here, rarely reply to
the followups, and add nothing to the group.
The ones who do it in third person ("hey did you hear..."). Also not
usually a consistent poster to the group.
And the ones who mention it in passing, or in their signature, who answer
technical questions. Some are helpful and courteous, some can't wait to
find a way to point out how superior they are.

I don't care if people advertise on here, especially any of the regulars,
whether I like them or not. But this all started from an editor, maybe it
was advertising while asking for opinions/debate, but instead he received
complaints about his product/service. If he wants to go through the work of
weeding through our 'PIREPS' scattered around here, and put them in print
and try to sell them, maybe that might be helpful to someone who doesn't
even know these groups exist. If you're so worried about your opinion of a
restaurant and the copyright of that idea, don't post. For me it was
informative to see people had a problem with the way that book is compiled,
news to me.

Personally I think it takes a pair for someone to come on here and put in a
plug for their product - and stick around and take the questions and abuse
from some of you. If you don't like them, don't buy their product. If you
do, then do business with them. I'm planning my stay in IOW.

Chris

[G.R. Patterson III]

VideoGuy wrote:
>
> maybe when he's sufficiently detoxified he'll be more charitable to those
> who don't meet his standard of perfection.

I have some ocean front property in Valdosta, Georgia I'd like to sell you.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Tom Sixkiller]

"plumb bob" > wrote in message
news:DHINb.62458$Rc4.223099@attbi_s54...
>
>
> Of course I am a troll. But I am not "Machogrande".
>
Well, you're also into the bozo bin!

[ Tomahawk slam PLONK]

[Ron Natalie]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:e5INb.77382$xy6.135454@attbi_s02...
> > Um . . . you do know that Jim Weir and Jay Honek are different people,
> right?
> > Wait! Has anyone ever seen them both together?
>
> I actually DO have a picture taken with Jim (and his lovely wife) --
> proving, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that I am not Jim.
>

I can vouch for that. Jim has more hair.

[Jim Weir]

Did you mean that literally or colloquially?

{;-)

Jim


"Ron Natalie" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->
->I can vouch for that. Jim has more hair.

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[plumb bob]

"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "plumb bob" > wrote in message
> news:DHINb.62458$Rc4.223099@attbi_s54...
> >
> > Of course I am a troll. But I am not "Machogrande".
> >
> Well, you're also into the bozo bin!
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> [ Tomahawk slam PLONK]

Terrific. This is what most trolls try to achieve.

Plumb Bob

P.S. Most people do not say "plonk" these days (well, unless they are men
devoid of manly equipment, if you know what I mean). The appropriate
response is to kill file the offending poster and not mention it with a
girly "plonk" comment.