question about FAA database of N numbers

[CriticalMass]

Tony Woolner wrote:

>I have been looking for a Warrior and look up the tail numbers on the
>database. The owners are not the same as I am told. Why is this?
>
>
>

Anybody's guess.

That's why lenders require a title search before they'll approve financing.

[Nathan Young]

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:12:57 -0500, Tony Woolner >
wrote:

>I have been looking for a Warrior and look up the tail numbers on the
>database. The owners are not the same as I am told. Why is this?

The database typically takes several months to be updated. So one of
a few things could be happening.

1. The new owners never filed the paperwork or the FAA lost the
paperwork for the new ownership (this happened to me).

2. The updates haven't made it to the database yet. Typically this
takes 3-6 months.

3. The database is accurate, and the plane is owned by someone else.
Occasionally, you hear stories of stolen planes being sold by the
stealing party.

Regardless, if you are purchasing, it is worth a bit of homework on
your end to make sure the party selling you the plane actually owns
it.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Nathan Young > said:
>On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:12:57 -0500, Tony Woolner >
>wrote:
>>I have been looking for a Warrior and look up the tail numbers on the
>>database. The owners are not the same as I am told. Why is this?
>The database typically takes several months to be updated. So one of
>a few things could be happening.
>3. The database is accurate, and the plane is owned by someone else.
>Occasionally, you hear stories of stolen planes being sold by the
>stealing party.

4. The person offering you the Warrior is actually a broker, and not the
owner of the plane. There are scumbag brokers out there who find planes
for sale and then list them without the owner's permission, and once
you're interested *then* they'll go and negotiate a commission from the
owner. Although these guys usually try and prevent you from discovering
the plane's real N number until they've negotiated with the owner.



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On 16-Jan-2004, CriticalMass > wrote:

> Anybody's guess.
>
> That's why lenders require a title search before they'll approve
> financing.


In my opinion, a title search should be undertaken by the buyer in EVERY
purchase of a used airplane, regardless of whether it's financed. Then, if
there is ANY question about clear title, I would recommend getting title
insurance. AOPA provides both title search and title insurance services at
reasonable cost.
--
-Elliott Drucker

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
> wrote:
>In my opinion, a title search should be undertaken by the buyer in EVERY
>purchase of a used airplane, regardless of whether it's financed.

There was a lein against my plane when I bought it. I found it through
AOPA's title search. The owners had no idea it existed. The loan was
old (I don't remember exactly, but 20+ years) and had been paid off and
the bank was no longer in business. With AOPA's assistance the seller
was able to resolve the problem while the prebuy was being done. One
big help was that the plane had been in the seller's family for a long
time and the original bank was local. If I had found out about it later
I doubt I could have gotten it fixed as easily.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Tony Woolner > wrote:
>I have been looking for a Warrior and look up the tail numbers on the
>database. The owners are not the same as I am told. Why is this?

Where do they live? The first Comanche I had an offer in on was sold
to someone else in Washington state. After I bought a different plane
I kept an eye on the database to get an idea of when my plane's
registration would go through, assuming the other plane would show up
about 2 weeks earlier. In fact they didn't register it for several
months (probably to avoid Washington state taxes) and now it is registered
to some kind of holding company in Oregon.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Tony Woolner]

I have been looking for a Warrior and look up the tail numbers on the
database. The owners are not the same as I am told. Why is this?

[BTIZ]

because when the buyers bought it.. they did not file all the paperwork?

look at the registration certificate in the airplane.. if it is not who is
selling.. then ask questions .. or walk..

it could be they are "recent".. and data base is not caught up...

a check of the pilots certificate database states that it is current as of
last October 2003

BT
"Tony Woolner" > wrote in message
...
> I have been looking for a Warrior and look up the tail numbers on the
> database. The owners are not the same as I am told. Why is this?
>

[BTIZ]

we had the same problem when buying a glider.. and a bank 1/2 a cross the
country that had been sold numerous times.. the bank.. not the glider..

we were able to clear it very quickly.. great help from the current owners
of the bought bank..

BT

"Ben Jackson" > wrote in message
news:ofUNb.81372$na.43795@attbi_s04...
> In article >,
> > wrote:
> >In my opinion, a title search should be undertaken by the buyer in EVERY
> >purchase of a used airplane, regardless of whether it's financed.
>
> There was a lein against my plane when I bought it. I found it through
> AOPA's title search. The owners had no idea it existed. The loan was
> old (I don't remember exactly, but 20+ years) and had been paid off and
> the bank was no longer in business. With AOPA's assistance the seller
> was able to resolve the problem while the prebuy was being done. One
> big help was that the plane had been in the seller's family for a long
> time and the original bank was local. If I had found out about it later
> I doubt I could have gotten it fixed as easily.
>
> --
> Ben Jackson
> >
> http://www.ben.com/