Downloading Flying Music

[Jay Honeck]

We've got the PS Engineering CD/Intercom in our plane, and listen to CDs on
long trips.

I am obviously slipping into "dinosaur" status, as I have never downloaded
music, for "burning" onto a blank CD. I *have* burned CDs, but I've always
done it from tracks played off of another CD.

Does anyone here download (and then burn) CDs for listening while in flight?
Any recommended sites? Tips? Are these things still free, or did all the
freebies get sued out of existence? Thanks!

BTW: We've got FOUR new additions to the Rec.Aviation Rogue's Gallery!
They are:

- The famous (infamous?) Badwater Bill Phillips, and the zillion planes he's
flown...
- Ross Richardson and his super 180 hp 172!
- CJ Campbell, world-famous flight instructor, and his fabulous 206!
- Bryan Chaisone, and his cool Robinson R-22 helicopter...

See all these guys at http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm .
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dan Luke]

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
> Does anyone here download (and then burn) CDs for listening while
> in flight? Any recommended sites? Tips?

I've heard that many people use KaZaa. I've also heard that they avoid
the full-blown KaZaa, which I've heard loads up your pc with spyware and
other junk. I've heard they use KaZaa Lite, instead:

http://www.kazaalite.com/

> Are these things still free, or did all the
> freebies get sued out of existence?

I've heard it's still free - until the record industry sues you. I've
heard they only go after people who have thousands of files on their
pc's available for sharing.
--
Dude
C999RG at BZZ

[carlos]

Ditto on Kazaa Lite... great program.

"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" wrote:
> > Does anyone here download (and then burn) CDs for listening while
> > in flight? Any recommended sites? Tips?
>
> I've heard that many people use KaZaa. I've also heard that they avoid
> the full-blown KaZaa, which I've heard loads up your pc with spyware and
> other junk. I've heard they use KaZaa Lite, instead:
>
> http://www.kazaalite.com/
>
> > Are these things still free, or did all the
> > freebies get sued out of existence?
>
> I've heard it's still free - until the record industry sues you. I've
> heard they only go after people who have thousands of files on their
> pc's available for sharing.
> --
> Dude
> C999RG at BZZ
>
>

[JerryK]

Jay,

Consider a MP3 player like a Ipod. You can put your whole CD collection on
the device, or download music from a
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:PDcRb.152812$I06.1541427@attbi_s01...
> We've got the PS Engineering CD/Intercom in our plane, and listen to CDs
on
> long trips.
>
> I am obviously slipping into "dinosaur" status, as I have never downloaded
> music, for "burning" onto a blank CD. I *have* burned CDs, but I've
always
> done it from tracks played off of another CD.
>
> Does anyone here download (and then burn) CDs for listening while in
flight?
> Any recommended sites? Tips? Are these things still free, or did all the
> freebies get sued out of existence? Thanks!
>
> BTW: We've got FOUR new additions to the Rec.Aviation Rogue's Gallery!
> They are:
>
> - The famous (infamous?) Badwater Bill Phillips, and the zillion planes
he's
> flown...
> - Ross Richardson and his super 180 hp 172!
> - CJ Campbell, world-famous flight instructor, and his fabulous 206!
> - Bryan Chaisone, and his cool Robinson R-22 helicopter...
>
> See all these guys at http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm .
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jeff P]

You still can get free music on sites like Kaaza, but they will really
junk up your computer with pop ups, spy ware, and all kinda other crap
you really don't want. I would steer away from these today. If you
are interested, search for P2P (peer to peer) downloads on a site like
zdnet.com.

For a legal and safer alternative, I really like the Apple itunes
(www.itunes.com) site for purchasing music. The songs are $.99 each,
the quality is perfect, and the site is safe.

Jeff

[Jeff]

Be careful downloading music online, the music companies are filing lawsuits
against people, they filed 500 more last week.


Jay Honeck wrote:

> We've got the PS Engineering CD/Intercom in our plane, and listen to CDs on
> long trips.
>
> I am obviously slipping into "dinosaur" status, as I have never downloaded
> music, for "burning" onto a blank CD. I *have* burned CDs, but I've always
> done it from tracks played off of another CD.
>
> Does anyone here download (and then burn) CDs for listening while in flight?
> Any recommended sites? Tips? Are these things still free, or did all the
> freebies get sued out of existence? Thanks!
>
> BTW: We've got FOUR new additions to the Rec.Aviation Rogue's Gallery!
> They are:
>
> - The famous (infamous?) Badwater Bill Phillips, and the zillion planes he's
> flown...
> - Ross Richardson and his super 180 hp 172!
> - CJ Campbell, world-famous flight instructor, and his fabulous 206!
> - Bryan Chaisone, and his cool Robinson R-22 helicopter...
>
> See all these guys at http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm .
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Be careful downloading music online, the music companies are filing
lawsuits
> against people, they filed 500 more last week.

How in the world can they figure out who is downloading what?

I've done a little research into this "Soulseek" site this evening, and it
would seem to be pretty bulletproof, from a security standpoint.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ricky Robbins]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:01:21 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>How in the world can they figure out who is downloading what?
>
>I've done a little research into this "Soulseek" site this evening, and it
>would seem to be pretty bulletproof, from a security standpoint.

Speaking of free stuff, you can get free towels at hotels; no need to
pay for those, either.

Ricky

[Dan Thompson]

I've been using www.buymusic.com Songs are about a buck apiece. Whole
albums are about ten-twelve bucks. You get "wma" files which are like mp3s,
but have a tracking feature that gives you permission to move them between
computers, CDs you burn, and portable devices a limited number of times,
which can vary between 1 to 5 times depending on something, not sure what.
Hasn't been an issue yet. Completely legal, fast and reliable, compared to
Kazaa Lite.

To get around the wma permission hassles, the buymusic.com files can be
burned to a CD, then ripped back to unrestricted mp3s, but that is kind of a
hassle.

I've tried Apple's Itunes but its file format does not play on my portable
mp3 player. I also have a gift card from the new legal Napster site that I
haven't tried yet. My teenager says it's good too. He's my in-house
authority on all things mp3.

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:PDcRb.152812$I06.1541427@attbi_s01...
> We've got the PS Engineering CD/Intercom in our plane, and listen to CDs
on
> long trips.
>
> I am obviously slipping into "dinosaur" status, as I have never downloaded
> music, for "burning" onto a blank CD. I *have* burned CDs, but I've
always
> done it from tracks played off of another CD.
>
> Does anyone here download (and then burn) CDs for listening while in
flight?
> Any recommended sites? Tips? Are these things still free, or did all the
> freebies get sued out of existence? Thanks!
>
> BTW: We've got FOUR new additions to the Rec.Aviation Rogue's Gallery!
> They are:
>
> - The famous (infamous?) Badwater Bill Phillips, and the zillion planes
he's
> flown...
> - Ross Richardson and his super 180 hp 172!
> - CJ Campbell, world-famous flight instructor, and his fabulous 206!
> - Bryan Chaisone, and his cool Robinson R-22 helicopter...
>
> See all these guys at http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rec_aviation.htm .
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Speaking of free stuff, you can get free towels at hotels; no need to
> pay for those, either.

Actually, we have your credit card or a cash deposit before you set foot in
your suite.

Any towels missing or destroyed? Ka-CHING! :-)

(It can actually be a profit center, if done properly....)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom Sixkiller]

<Ricky Robbins> wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 04:01:21 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> > wrote:
>
> >How in the world can they figure out who is downloading what?
> >
> >I've done a little research into this "Soulseek" site this evening, and
it
> >would seem to be pretty bulletproof, from a security standpoint.
>
> Speaking of free stuff, you can get free towels at hotels; no need to
> pay for those, either.
>
Except if you "clone" the towels.

[Newps]

Jeff wrote:
> Be careful downloading music online, the music companies are filing lawsuits
> against people, they filed 500 more last week.

Considering the tens of millions downloading music I'd say your odds of
getting sued are pretty slim.

[Newps]

Walmart sells songs for 88 cents each.

Dan Thompson wrote:

> I've been using www.buymusic.com Songs are about a buck apiece. Whole
> albums are about ten-twelve bucks. You get "wma" files which are like mp3s,
> but have a tracking feature that gives you permission to move them between
> computers, CDs you burn, and portable devices a limited number of times,
> which can vary between 1 to 5 times depending on something, not sure what.
> Hasn't been an issue yet. Completely legal, fast and reliable, compared to
> Kazaa Lite.
>
> To get around the wma permission hassles, the buymusic.com files can be
> burned to a CD, then ripped back to unrestricted mp3s, but that is kind of a
> hassle.
>
> I've tried Apple's Itunes but its file format does not play on my portable
> mp3 player. I also have a gift card from the new legal Napster site that I
> haven't tried yet. My teenager says it's good too. He's my in-house
> authority on all things mp3.

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Speaking of free stuff, you can get free towels at hotels; no need to
>>pay for those, either.
>
>
> Actually, we have your credit card or a cash deposit before you set foot in
> your suite.
>
> Any towels missing or destroyed? Ka-CHING!

Well downloading music is the same thing, it's stealing. But I couldn't
be happier who it's happening to. The music industry deserves
everything they are now getting.

[Jay Honeck]

> But he's still a thief, as are those who
> illegally download protected music.
>
> (Let the rationalizations begin.) 8)

No rationalization here -- I agree with you.

I'll stick with the pay-per-play guys.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

Newps wrote:
>
> Walmart sells songs for 88 cents each.

Do they let me pick and choose the songs? Last time I was there, it seemed to me
that they only sold entire CDs or tapes? Now, I *have* paid $15 or so to get the
*one* song on a CD that I liked, but I prefer to not do that.

George Patterson
Great discoveries are not announced with "Eureka!". What's usually said is
"Hummmmm... That's interesting...."

[Ricky Robbins]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2004 12:46:29 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> Speaking of free stuff, you can get free towels at hotels; no need to
>> pay for those, either.
>
>Actually, we have your credit card or a cash deposit before you set foot in
>your suite.
>
>Any towels missing or destroyed? Ka-CHING! :-)
>
>(It can actually be a profit center, if done properly....)

*laugh* Okay, let me rephrase it. You are stealing if you download
protected music outside any permissions given for downloading.
Personally, I don't take hotel towels from poolside and pack them in
my bag or take Dave Clark headsets from the unlocked plane at the
airport and sell 'em on eBay or illegally download music, because I'm
not a thief. Even if I knew I could get away with it. Folks will
rationalize doing any of the above because they want to have it, don't
want to pay for it, and don't want to be considered a thief -- but
it's stealing. I won't argue the rationalization that people come up
with for being a thief. I'm sure the guy who broke into my car and
stole my laptop could have given me a nice line of reasoning as to why
he should have something he wanted without paying for it. And, who
knows, his underprivileged kids might be doing better in school by
using my laptop that he could not have afforded to buy. Which makes
it a better reason than "sure, I can afford it, but why pay for it
when I can steal it." But he's still a thief, as are those who
illegally download protected music.

(Let the rationalizations begin.) 8)

Ricky

[Paul Sengupta]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Newps wrote:
> >
> > Walmart sells songs for 88 cents each.
>
> Do they let me pick and choose the songs? Last time I was there, it seemed
to me
> that they only sold entire CDs or tapes?

Didn't I read (or hear) somewhere that they're putting in a
machine where you choose the songs you want from a list
and then it makes a CD for you?

Paul (who prefers to buy whole CDs of a band's music to
sample/get the rest of the stuff I might never listen to otherwise)

[Newps]

Paul Sengupta wrote:

>
> Didn't I read (or hear) somewhere that they're putting in a
> machine where you choose the songs you want from a list
> and then it makes a CD for you?
>
> Paul (who prefers to buy whole CDs of a band's music to
> sample/get the rest of the stuff I might never listen to otherwise)

And I think that will be a revolution too. Bands will no longer have to
come up with 5-6 loser songs to fill up an album. As soon as they have
a decent song they will release it.

[Dave Stadt]

"Newps" > wrote in message
news:VOGRb.131409$5V2.666331@attbi_s53...
>
>
> Paul Sengupta wrote:
>
> >
> > Didn't I read (or hear) somewhere that they're putting in a
> > machine where you choose the songs you want from a list
> > and then it makes a CD for you?
> >
> > Paul (who prefers to buy whole CDs of a band's music to
> > sample/get the rest of the stuff I might never listen to otherwise)
>
> And I think that will be a revolution too. Bands will no longer have to
> come up with 5-6 loser songs to fill up an album. As soon as they have
> a decent song they will release it.

You mean just like they did 40 to 50 years ago on those things called 45s.
Hardly a revolution.

[Brian Sponcil]

I suppose you guys never taped one of your friend's ablums either.

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:PrwRb.163270$I06.1626288@attbi_s01...
> > But he's still a thief, as are those who
> > illegally download protected music.
> >
> > (Let the rationalizations begin.) 8)
>
> No rationalization here -- I agree with you.
>
> I'll stick with the pay-per-play guys.

[Ricky Robbins]

On Wed, 28 Jan 2004 20:33:19 -0600, "Brian Sponcil"
> wrote:

>I suppose you guys never taped one of your friend's ablums either.

No, I haven't. I even own multiple copies of Bill's programs 'cause I
have multiple computers. Heck, I even pay for shareware programs.
Actually, I'm a saint; someone please tell my wife as she doesn't seem
to recognize this. 8)

Ricky

[Jay Honeck]

> I suppose you guys never taped one of your friend's ablums either.

No, but I DID tape their albums... ;-)

I think this is different, however. We're talking something on a world-wide
level that threatens the very nature of the music business.

Bottom line: If everyone burned a copy of her next CD, Sheryl Crowe would
receive about two dollars for making her next album.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Fry]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> We're talking something on a world-wide
> level that threatens the very nature of the music business.

Jay. That would be a GOOD thing.

[Jay Honeck]

> > We're talking something on a world-wide
> > level that threatens the very nature of the music business.
>
> Jay. That would be a GOOD thing.

Why?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>We're talking something on a world-wide
>>>level that threatens the very nature of the music business.
>>
>>Jay. That would be a GOOD thing.
>
>
> Why?

Because you have to ask yourself if there is any need for the music
company itself. Many artists are now selling directly over the net.

[Jay Honeck]

> Because you have to ask yourself if there is any need for the music
> company itself. Many artists are now selling directly over the net.

While this may be a good point in some cases, I sincerely doubt that most
musicians (or, for that matter, business people) have the marketing savvy to
"create" the mega-groups and hit songs necessary for a thriving music
industry.

Much of what I see on the net is garage bands, spewing music. Unless you've
got nothing else to do but listen to music, how the heck can you find the
"good" stuff that is worth buying?

THAT is the critical function that record companies perform, and have always
done. And that's why we pay THEM.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

The record companies marketing is getting the bands on the radio, then
public demand takes over. But if the band gets itself on the radio,
especially NYC and LA, the music company is not relavant.

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Because you have to ask yourself if there is any need for the music
>>company itself. Many artists are now selling directly over the net.
>
>
> While this may be a good point in some cases, I sincerely doubt that most
> musicians (or, for that matter, business people) have the marketing savvy to
> "create" the mega-groups and hit songs necessary for a thriving music
> industry.
>
> Much of what I see on the net is garage bands, spewing music. Unless you've
> got nothing else to do but listen to music, how the heck can you find the
> "good" stuff that is worth buying?
>
> THAT is the critical function that record companies perform, and have always
> done. And that's why we pay THEM.

[Jay Honeck]

> The record companies marketing is getting the bands on the radio, then
> public demand takes over. But if the band gets itself on the radio,
> especially NYC and LA, the music company is not relavant.

Right, but who decides if they're "good enough" to get air play?

That's been the recording industry's job for the last 50 years or so.
Whether it's them, or the radio industry, SOMEONE has to do it.

And whoever does it is going to want their cut.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:klfSb.181595$xy6.871851@attbi_s02...
> > Because you have to ask yourself if there is any need for the music
> > company itself. Many artists are now selling directly over the net.
>
> While this may be a good point in some cases, I sincerely doubt that most
> musicians (or, for that matter, business people) have the marketing savvy
to
> "create" the mega-groups and hit songs necessary for a thriving music
> industry.
>
> Much of what I see on the net is garage bands, spewing music. Unless
you've
> got nothing else to do but listen to music, how the heck can you find the
> "good" stuff that is worth buying?
>
Word of mouth internet discussions?

How did other art forms prosper prior to big media (prior to about 1900)?

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Newps" > wrote in message
news:xOfSb.181734$xy6.872643@attbi_s02...
> The record companies marketing is getting the bands on the radio, then
> public demand takes over. But if the band gets itself on the radio,
> especially NYC and LA, the music company is not relavant.
>

Quite!

The media companies make it easier, but they are certainly dispensable.

[Jay Honeck]

> How did other art forms prosper prior to big media (prior to about 1900)?

That's a great question. Prior to radio, popular music was sold as sheet
music, to be played on a piano (or similar). I have read that there were
"hit" songs, even back then -- but how the heck did anyone ever hear them?

I suppose it was "by ear," as people heard the music at one another's homes,
but can you imagine? It would literally take years for a "hit" song to
develop.

Nowadays that might be sped up a tad by the internet -- but it would require
internet participation on an unprecedented scale.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Tom Sixkiller" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:klfSb.181595$xy6.871851@attbi_s02...
> > > Because you have to ask yourself if there is any need for the music
> > > company itself. Many artists are now selling directly over the net.
> >
> > While this may be a good point in some cases, I sincerely doubt that
most
> > musicians (or, for that matter, business people) have the marketing
savvy
> to
> > "create" the mega-groups and hit songs necessary for a thriving music
> > industry.
> >
> > Much of what I see on the net is garage bands, spewing music. Unless
> you've
> > got nothing else to do but listen to music, how the heck can you find
the
> > "good" stuff that is worth buying?
> >
>
>

[John Galban]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<lolRb.155466$I06.1598315@attbi_s01>...
> > Be careful downloading music online, the music companies are filing
> lawsuits
> > against people, they filed 500 more last week.
>
> How in the world can they figure out who is downloading what?
>
> I've done a little research into this "Soulseek" site this evening, and it
> would seem to be pretty bulletproof, from a security standpoint.

Here's how they do it. When you participate in a file sharing
network, the key word "sharing" is what gets you. You open a portion
of your hardrive (that supposedly contains bootlegged music) to the
other folks in the file shareing network. That's how you get music
from other folks and they get music from you. All the record company
investigators have to do is to join the file sharing group and see who
has what on their hard drive. Subpeonas follow.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Newps]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>The record companies marketing is getting the bands on the radio, then
>>public demand takes over. But if the band gets itself on the radio,
>>especially NYC and LA, the music company is not relavant.
>
>
> Right, but who decides if they're "good enough" to get air play?

The program director at each individual radio station, that's his job.

[Newps]

John Galban wrote:


> Here's how they do it. When you participate in a file sharing
> network, the key word "sharing" is what gets you. You open a portion
> of your hardrive (that supposedly contains bootlegged music) to the
> other folks in the file shareing network. That's how you get music
> from other folks and they get music from you. All the record company
> investigators have to do is to join the file sharing group and see who
> has what on their hard drive. Subpeonas follow.

My kid used Kazaa for awhile. We simply deselected the sharing part.
Since both our computers go thru a hub if the little light ain't
blinking corresponding to his computer there's no internet activity.
The other option is to just turn the cable modem off.

[Jay Honeck]

> > Right, but who decides if they're "good enough" to get air play?
>
> The program director at each individual radio station, that's his job.

Ain't no such position at many stations now, sadly.

They're all controlled centrally by one of the two radio conglomerates.
Heck, some of our "local" stations don't even have local DJs...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Fry]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> Right, but who decides if they're "good enough" to get air play?
>
> That's been the recording industry's job for the last 50 years or so.
> Whether it's them, or the radio industry, SOMEONE has to do it.

Jay, my man. You surprise me. Time for new thinking.

I agree that some screening is helpful. With the internet, why do we
need a centralized place to tell us what's good? Suppose there were
no music industry whatsover: just musicians, and the internet. For
the moment put aside how the musicians are going to get paid; let's
just consider the screening process.

Suppose all songs were available on a peer-to-peer network. Some sort
of ranking system is also available for each song, based on downloads,
listener feedback, etc. Voila! You don't want to listen to a hundred
random songs to find one you like? Start downloading songs with high
rankings. You run a local program on your computer and give it
feedback about each downloaded song. The software would take into
account the original rating, the name of the rater, and your
subsequent rating, and begin to build a database of raters you tend to
agree with. Over time--and it wouldn't take long--the program could
start making recommendations to you automatically. Furthermore your
feedback would be sent back to the P2P network to assist others.

No one has to get paid for this, and the ratings are tailor-made for
Jay, just like my ratings would be for me. To quote our new governor,
it would be FANTASTIC.

[Jay Honeck]

> No one has to get paid for this, and the ratings are tailor-made for
> Jay, just like my ratings would be for me. To quote our new governor,
> it would be FANTASTIC.

Sounds strangely like "From each according to his means, to each according
to his needs..."

Nice sounding, but that doesn't work, either.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Fry]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> > No one has to get paid for this, and the ratings are tailor-made for
> > Jay, just like my ratings would be for me. To quote our new governor,
> > it would be FANTASTIC.
>
> Sounds strangely like "From each according to his means, to each according
> to his needs..."
>
> Nice sounding, but that doesn't work, either.

Huh? Why should someone get paid to select music and tell you that
it's good? I go to movies if someone I know at work, who I already
know has the same interests as me, says it's worthwhile seeing. I
don't depend on slick ads or professional movie critics...music
choices can be the same.

[Jay Honeck]

> Huh? Why should someone get paid to select music and tell you that
> it's good? I go to movies if someone I know at work, who I already
> know has the same interests as me, says it's worthwhile seeing. I
> don't depend on slick ads or professional movie critics...music
> choices can be the same.

In the movie business, the big studios are the "record companies."

Only difference is, movies are so expensive to make (compared to cutting an
album) that the studios screen everything BEFORE it gets made. The
recording industry can't control what gets made -- anyone can cut a CD
now -- but they *do* control what you get to hear on the radio.

You only *think* you're "self-selecting" what you see at the movies. That
decision was actually made for you well in advance by the Miramaxes of the
world...

And, really, would you want it any other way? Would you really *want* 500
movies to choose from, at 500 theaters? Hell, what makes it to the theater
now is often so bad, it's hard to imagine that someone "OK'd" making it.

Personally, I'm glad there are "studios" and "record companies" weeding out
the field. Of course, I'm also glad that there are newspaper editors,
sifting through the news of the day, making sure that I can read the
important stuff in five minutes. In my mind, all three of these positions
exist to make my life easier.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"
"Bob Fry" > wrote in message
...
> "Jay Honeck" > writes:
>
> > > No one has to get paid for this, and the ratings are tailor-made for
> > > Jay, just like my ratings would be for me. To quote our new governor,
> > > it would be FANTASTIC.
> >
> > Sounds strangely like "From each according to his means, to each
according
> > to his needs..."
> >
> > Nice sounding, but that doesn't work, either.
>

[Paul Sengupta]

"Bob Fry" > wrote in message
...
> Suppose all songs were available on a peer-to-peer network. Some sort
> of ranking system is also available for each song, based on downloads,
> listener feedback, etc. Voila! You don't want to listen to a hundred
> random songs to find one you like? Start downloading songs with high
> rankings. You run a local program on your computer and give it
> feedback about each downloaded song. The software would take into
> account the original rating, the name of the rater, and your
> subsequent rating, and begin to build a database of raters you tend to
> agree with. Over time--and it wouldn't take long--the program could
> start making recommendations to you automatically. Furthermore your
> feedback would be sent back to the P2P network to assist others.

http://launch.yahoo.com/

The radio station does this. You customise it and tune it.You rate songs
and it builds up a profile. I haven't tried it myself, but a friend of mine
listens to it quite regularly.

Paul

[Bob Fry]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> You only *think* you're "self-selecting" what you see at the movies. That
> decision was actually made for you well in advance by the Miramaxes of the
> world...

I've mostly given up on Hollywood movies. Not that I see that many
movies anyway, but mostly they're furrin' art flics. Less special
effects and much better plots and character development.

> And, really, would you want it any other way? Would you really *want* 500
> movies to choose from, at 500 theaters? Hell, what makes it to the theater
> now is often so bad, it's hard to imagine that someone "OK'd" making
it.

Well, that's pretty much what Blockbuster is: hundreds or thousands of
movies to choose from. So, yeah, I sure would have it another way.

> Personally, I'm glad there are "studios" and "record companies" weeding out
> the field.

I'm not. The music I like--acoustic guitar stuff--is rarely played on
the radio. You don't find much of it in CD stores either.
Peer-to-peer networks make it available.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Newps wrote:
>
> The program director at each individual radio station, that's his job.

Not much anymore. With the big chains of stations, the play list is dictated by
the main corporate management.

George Patterson
Love, n.: A form of temporary insanity afflicting the young. It is curable
either by marriage or by removal of the afflicted from the circumstances
under which he incurred the condition. It is sometimes fatal, but more
often to the physician than to the patient.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Newps wrote:
> >
> > The program director at each individual radio station, that's his job.
>
> Not much anymore. With the big chains of stations, the play list is
dictated by
> the main corporate management.
>
So then, that's THEIR job.