101 BEST Aviation Attractions

[John Purner]

As a complimentary site to my new book "101 Best Aviation Attractions", I
have activated a new website at http://www.flyingsbest.com Half of this site
does FlyIn CampOut issues the other Aviation Attractions. The book will be
released by McGraw-Hill in Late April. Amazon is already selling it. Hope
this helps some of ya'll.

Also best wishes to my usual detractors who will doubtless crawl out from
beneath their rocks! I do hope they speak the truth this time, but am
reasonably certain they won't. Why should their pattern change? Fortunately
most members of this news group pay little attention to them anyway.

--
John Purner
Editor - The $100 Hamburger
http://www.100dollarhamburger.com

[Kyler Laird]

"John Purner" > writes:

>Also best wishes to my usual detractors who will doubtless crawl out from
>beneath their rocks! I do hope they speak the truth this time, but am
>reasonably certain they won't. Why should their pattern change? Fortunately
>most members of this news group pay little attention to them anyway.

Wow! Whiney spew like that makes *me* want to be a detractor. I'm
looking forward to hearing what they have to say.

--kyler

[EDR]

In article >, Kyler Laird
> wrote:

> Wow! Whiney spew like that makes *me* want to be a detractor. I'm
> looking forward to hearing what they have to say.

And just who is "they"?

[R.Hubbell]

On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:26:59 GMT "John Purner" > wrote:

> As a complimentary site to my new book "101 Best Aviation Attractions", I
> have activated a new website at http://www.flyingsbest.com Half of this site
> does FlyIn CampOut issues the other Aviation Attractions. The book will be
> released by McGraw-Hill in Late April. Amazon is already selling it. Hope
> this helps some of ya'll.


How long before you take all that camping info you're waiting for others to fill
in for you so you can make a book out of it too?

I'm sure the museum book will not be far behind.


Note to guy collecting camping sites at airports, place a copyright on your work!


R. Hubbell

>
> Also best wishes to my usual detractors who will doubtless crawl out from
> beneath their rocks! I do hope they speak the truth this time, but am
> reasonably certain they won't. Why should their pattern change? Fortunately
> most members of this news group pay little attention to them anyway.
>
> --
> John Purner
> Editor - The $100 Hamburger
> http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
>
>

[John Purner]

Note to R. Hubbell increase your medication.

--
John Purner
Editor - The $100 Hamburger
http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
"R.Hubbell" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:26:59 GMT "John Purner"
> wrote:
>
> > As a complimentary site to my new book "101 Best Aviation Attractions",
I
> > have activated a new website at http://www.flyingsbest.com Half of this
site
> > does FlyIn CampOut issues the other Aviation Attractions. The book will
be
> > released by McGraw-Hill in Late April. Amazon is already selling it.
Hope
> > this helps some of ya'll.
>
>
> How long before you take all that camping info you're waiting for others
to fill
> in for you so you can make a book out of it too?
>
> I'm sure the museum book will not be far behind.
>
>
> Note to guy collecting camping sites at airports, place a copyright on
your work!
>
>
> R. Hubbell
>
> >
> > Also best wishes to my usual detractors who will doubtless crawl out
from
> > beneath their rocks! I do hope they speak the truth this time, but am
> > reasonably certain they won't. Why should their pattern change?
Fortunately
> > most members of this news group pay little attention to them anyway.
> >
> > --
> > John Purner
> > Editor - The $100 Hamburger
> > http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
> >
> >
>

[ET]

"R.Hubbell" > wrote in
:

> On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:26:59 GMT "John Purner"
> > wrote:
>
>> As a complimentary site to my new book "101 Best Aviation
>> Attractions", I have activated a new website at
>> http://www.flyingsbest.com Half of this site does FlyIn CampOut
>> issues the other Aviation Attractions. The book will be released by
>> McGraw-Hill in Late April. Amazon is already selling it. Hope this
>> helps some of ya'll.
>
>
> How long before you take all that camping info you're waiting for
> others to fill in for you so you can make a book out of it too?
>
> I'm sure the museum book will not be far behind.
>
>
> Note to guy collecting camping sites at airports, place a copyright on
> your work!
>
>
> R. Hubbell
>
>>
>> Also best wishes to my usual detractors who will doubtless crawl out
>> from beneath their rocks! I do hope they speak the truth this time,
>> but am reasonably certain they won't. Why should their pattern
>> change? Fortunately most members of this news group pay little
>> attention to them anyway.
>>
>> --
>> John Purner
>> Editor - The $100 Hamburger
>> http://www.100dollarhamburger.com
>>
>>

Uh, when a guy makes the gathered info FREE on a website, AND publishes
it in a book, I cannot fault him.....

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[R.Hubbell]

On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:16:39 GMT ET > wrote:

> "R.Hubbell" > wrote in
> :
>
> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:26:59 GMT "John Purner"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> As a complimentary site to my new book "101 Best Aviation
> >> Attractions", I have activated a new website at
> >> issues the other Aviation Attractions. The book will be released by
> >> McGraw-Hill in Late April. Amazon is already selling it. Hope this
> >> helps some of ya'll.
> >
> >
> > How long before you take all that camping info you're waiting for
> > others to fill in for you so you can make a book out of it too?
> >
> > I'm sure the museum book will not be far behind.
> >
> >
> > Note to guy collecting camping sites at airports, place a copyright on
> > your work!
> >
> >
> > R. Hubbell
> >
> >>
> >> Also best wishes to my usual detractors who will doubtless crawl out
> >> from beneath their rocks! I do hope they speak the truth this time,
> >> but am reasonably certain they won't. Why should their pattern
> >> change? Fortunately most members of this news group pay little
> >> attention to them anyway.
> >>
> >> --
> >> John Purner
> >> Editor - The $100 Hamburger
> >>
> >>
>
> Uh, when a guy makes the gathered info FREE on a website, AND publishes
> it in a book, I cannot fault him.....

Since you don't seem to know what's going on I will tell you. The camping
site you say he's hosting is waiting to be filled in by anyone willing to
fill it in. Right now it's empty. Once you've put that up on his site
it's his (see the copyright on his site) then he creates a book from other
peoples' contributions and he collects the $$$.


What are you waiting for? Get on over there and fill it in for him! :)


R. Hubbell

>
> --
> ET >:)
>
>
> "A common mistake people make when trying to design something
> completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
> fools."---- Douglas Adams

[Kyler Laird]

"R.Hubbell" > writes:

>> Uh, when a guy makes the gathered info FREE on a website, AND publishes
>> it in a book, I cannot fault him.....

>Since you don't seem to know what's going on I will tell you. The camping
>site you say he's hosting is waiting to be filled in by anyone willing to
>fill it in. Right now it's empty. Once you've put that up on his site
>it's his (see the copyright on his site) then he creates a book from other
>peoples' contributions and he collects the $$$.

Setting aside his poor socialization, do you really fault him for this
process? It isn't as though he tricks people into giving him the rights
to their content, is it? Is it any different from what AirNav does?

Of course I would love to see a community-based system (and I'd be happy
to host it) to collect such comments and make them available to everyone
to use, but I'm having trouble faulting him for fully-informed people
choosing to turn over the rights to their comments.

--kyler

[R.Hubbell]

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:21:44 GMT Kyler Laird > wrote:

> "R.Hubbell" > writes:
>
> >> Uh, when a guy makes the gathered info FREE on a website, AND publishes
> >> it in a book, I cannot fault him.....
>
> >Since you don't seem to know what's going on I will tell you. The camping
> >site you say he's hosting is waiting to be filled in by anyone willing to
> >fill it in. Right now it's empty. Once you've put that up on his site
> >it's his (see the copyright on his site) then he creates a book from other
> >peoples' contributions and he collects the $$$.
>
> Setting aside his poor socialization, do you really fault him for this
> process? It isn't as though he tricks people into giving him the rights


I remember back when Usenet FAQs were getting pilfered and turned into books.
There are too many contributors for just one to claim ownership. It's stuff
like this that turned a lot of people away from Usenet.



> to their content, is it? Is it any different from what AirNav does?


I don't know what airnav does with that? are they making books from it
too?

>
> Of course I would love to see a community-based system (and I'd be happy
> to host it) to collect such comments and make them available to everyone

Someone's already collecting the camping info and has offered to host it.



> to use, but I'm having trouble faulting him for fully-informed people
> choosing to turn over the rights to their comments.


I think it's fine if people want to write his book for him. I don't think
the other poster grasped that. Maybe they did. It's cheesy to me to have
other people write your content, slap your name on it and publish. It's
akin to plagiarism or maybe it is plagiarism. IANAL.



R. Hubbell

>
> --kyler
>

[TTA Cherokee Driver]

R.Hubbell wrote:

> On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:21:44 GMT Kyler Laird > wrote:
>
>
>>"R.Hubbell" > writes:
>>
>>
>>>>Uh, when a guy makes the gathered info FREE on a website, AND publishes
>>>>it in a book, I cannot fault him.....
>>
>>>Since you don't seem to know what's going on I will tell you. The camping
>>>site you say he's hosting is waiting to be filled in by anyone willing to
>>>fill it in. Right now it's empty. Once you've put that up on his site
>>>it's his (see the copyright on his site) then he creates a book from other
>>>peoples' contributions and he collects the $$$.
>>
>>Setting aside his poor socialization, do you really fault him for this
>>process? It isn't as though he tricks people into giving him the rights
>
>
>
> I remember back when Usenet FAQs were getting pilfered and turned into books.
> There are too many contributors for just one to claim ownership. It's stuff
> like this that turned a lot of people away from Usenet.
>
>
>

wrong. What turned people away from usenet are, in order:

1. the fact that you need a special kind of client to participate and as
a result 99.99% of net users don't even know of usenet's existence
2. the extremely poor quality of the discourse and content (this
newsgroup is a rare exception), which gets worse every year (sadly this
newsgroup, while it hasn't sunk to the level of most of usenet, is not
an exception to that rule, as evidenced by this very sub-thread of
complanining about someone's post and all the BS about whether or nt Jay
was spamming)
3. the hair-trigger posturing and ad hominem attacks that became so
common, often but not always related to #2 above.
4. the spam
5. all the people complaining about the spam and calling other people's
posts spam at the slightest provocation.

As someone who has been on usenet since 1988 and now only bothers to
look at 4 newsgroups I think I know something about this.

[R.Hubbell]

On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 17:20:03 -0500 TTA Cherokee Driver > wrote:

> R.Hubbell wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 06 Feb 2004 13:21:44 GMT Kyler Laird > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>"R.Hubbell" > writes:
> >>
> >>
> >>>>Uh, when a guy makes the gathered info FREE on a website, AND publishes
> >>>>it in a book, I cannot fault him.....
> >>
> >>>Since you don't seem to know what's going on I will tell you. The camping
> >>>site you say he's hosting is waiting to be filled in by anyone willing to
> >>>fill it in. Right now it's empty. Once you've put that up on his site
> >>>it's his (see the copyright on his site) then he creates a book from other
> >>>peoples' contributions and he collects the $$$.
> >>
> >>Setting aside his poor socialization, do you really fault him for this
> >>process? It isn't as though he tricks people into giving him the rights
> >
> >
> >
> > I remember back when Usenet FAQs were getting pilfered and turned into books.
> > There are too many contributors for just one to claim ownership. It's stuff
> > like this that turned a lot of people away from Usenet.
> >
> >
> >
>
> wrong. What turned people away from usenet are, in order:

Wrong? No, it's definitely stuff like this that turned people away.
I know people personally that were turned away for that and other stuff
like that.


>
> 1. the fact that you need a special kind of client to participate and as
> a result 99.99% of net users don't even know of usenet's existence


How does this turn people away? If they never figured it out then how
could they have been turned away? Usenet doesn't really want them.



> 2. the extremely poor quality of the discourse and content (this
> newsgroup is a rare exception), which gets worse every year (sadly this
> newsgroup, while it hasn't sunk to the level of most of usenet, is not
> an exception to that rule, as evidenced by this very sub-thread of
> complanining about someone's post and all the BS about whether or nt Jay
> was spamming)

Spam is spam, the original poster of this thread is veiled spam.
Jay's is suitable for *marketplace really. And no amount of good-ole
boy BS will change that fact.


> 3. the hair-trigger posturing and ad hominem attacks that became so
> common, often but not always related to #2 above.

That is definitely true and has been going on for too long but it won't
change.

> 4. the spam


This could be controlled better I think. Offending ISPs could either
run cancelbots or they could be blackholed. There is also some emerging
technology that will cut down on this too. I forget the TLA but essentially
it is a trusted dns record for nntp (and mx, et. al.).


> 5. all the people complaining about the spam and calling other people's
> posts spam at the slightest provocation.


See 4.


Having responded to this I will say I'm done with this thread.

R. Hubbell

>
> As someone who has been on usenet since 1988 and now only bothers to
> look at 4 newsgroups I think I know something about this.
>

[ET]

"R.Hubbell" > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:16:39 GMT ET > wrote:
>
>> "R.Hubbell" > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:26:59 GMT "John Purner"
>> > > wrote:
>> >
>> >> As a complimentary site to my new book "101 Best Aviation
>> >> Attractions", I have activated a new website at
>> >> issues the other Aviation Attractions. The book will be released
>> >> by McGraw-Hill in Late April. Amazon is already selling it. Hope
>> >> this helps some of ya'll.
>> >
>> >
>> > How long before you take all that camping info you're waiting for
>> > others to fill in for you so you can make a book out of it too?
>> >
>> > I'm sure the museum book will not be far behind.
>> >
>> >
>> > Note to guy collecting camping sites at airports, place a copyright
>> > on your work!
>> >
>> >
>> > R. Hubbell
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Also best wishes to my usual detractors who will doubtless crawl
>> >> out from beneath their rocks! I do hope they speak the truth this
>> >> time, but am reasonably certain they won't. Why should their
>> >> pattern change? Fortunately most members of this news group pay
>> >> little attention to them anyway.
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> John Purner
>> >> Editor - The $100 Hamburger
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> Uh, when a guy makes the gathered info FREE on a website, AND
>> publishes it in a book, I cannot fault him.....
>
> Since you don't seem to know what's going on I will tell you. The
> camping site you say he's hosting is waiting to be filled in by anyone
> willing to fill it in. Right now it's empty. Once you've put that up
> on his site it's his (see the copyright on his site) then he creates a
> book from other peoples' contributions and he collects the $$$.
>
>
> What are you waiting for? Get on over there and fill it in for him!
> :)
>
>
> R. Hubbell

No, I get it... I just don't think it's as "evil" as you say it is.
Look at his already written $100 burger site and book. The site access
is free, but if you want it in book form, you buy it. I have no problem
with that.

I'm not yet a pilot so I cannot contribute, but if I could, I would.


--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[R.Hubbell]

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 17:35:52 GMT ET > wrote:

> "R.Hubbell" > wrote in
> :
>
> > On Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:16:39 GMT ET > wrote:
> >
> >> "R.Hubbell" > wrote in
> >> :
> >>
> >> > On Tue, 03 Feb 2004 18:26:59 GMT "John Purner"
> >> > > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> As a complimentary site to my new book "101 Best Aviation
> >> >> Attractions", I have activated a new website at
> >> >> issues the other Aviation Attractions. The book will be released
> >> >> by McGraw-Hill in Late April. Amazon is already selling it. Hope
> >> >> this helps some of ya'll.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > How long before you take all that camping info you're waiting for
> >> > others to fill in for you so you can make a book out of it too?
> >> >
> >> > I'm sure the museum book will not be far behind.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Note to guy collecting camping sites at airports, place a copyright
> >> > on your work!
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > R. Hubbell
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Also best wishes to my usual detractors who will doubtless crawl
> >> >> out from beneath their rocks! I do hope they speak the truth this
> >> >> time, but am reasonably certain they won't. Why should their
> >> >> pattern change? Fortunately most members of this news group pay
> >> >> little attention to them anyway.
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> John Purner
> >> >> Editor - The $100 Hamburger
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >>
> >> Uh, when a guy makes the gathered info FREE on a website, AND
> >> publishes it in a book, I cannot fault him.....
> >
> > Since you don't seem to know what's going on I will tell you. The
> > camping site you say he's hosting is waiting to be filled in by anyone
> > willing to fill it in. Right now it's empty. Once you've put that up
> > on his site it's his (see the copyright on his site) then he creates a
> > book from other peoples' contributions and he collects the $$$.
> >
> >
> > What are you waiting for? Get on over there and fill it in for him!
> > :)
> >
> >
> > R. Hubbell
>
> No, I get it... I just don't think it's as "evil" as you say it is.
> Look at his already written $100 burger site and book. The site access
> is free, but if you want it in book form, you buy it. I have no problem
> with that.
>
> I'm not yet a pilot so I cannot contribute, but if I could, I would.

Why do you have to be a pilot to contribute? Why not search the internet
for airports that allow camping and fill that in? http://google.com


R. Hubbell

>
>
> --
> ET >:)
>
>
> "A common mistake people make when trying to design something
> completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
> fools."---- Douglas Adams

[ET]

"R.Hubbell" > wrote in
:



>
> Why do you have to be a pilot to contribute? Why not search the
> internet for airports that allow camping and fill that in?
> http://google.com
>
>
> R. Hubbell
>

Phhhffffththhhhh!

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[R.Hubbell]

On Sat, 07 Feb 2004 22:39:30 GMT ET > wrote:

> "R.Hubbell" > wrote in
> :
>
>
>
> >
> > Why do you have to be a pilot to contribute? Why not search the
> > internet for airports that allow camping and fill that in?
> > http://google.com
> >
> >
> > R. Hubbell
> >
>
> Phhhffffththhhhh!


What's that? A bad burrito? :)

R. Hubbell

>
> --
> ET >:)
>
>
> "A common mistake people make when trying to design something
> completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
> fools."---- Douglas Adams