Yellow tags

[Mike Z.]

I am still filtering out all the usual paperwork that comes with a previously loved airplane. You know, the usual receipts for 12
new batteries dating back to WWII etc.

Anyway, there are lots of yellow tags stapled in the logs and almost as many in various envelopes.

I was scanning the logs onto a CD and it got me thinking.

Do the yellow tags have to stay in the logbook or can I neaten up and keep them all together in an envelope?

Mike Z

[Jay Smith]

Mike Z. wrote:
> I am still filtering out all the usual paperwork that comes with a previously loved airplane. You know, the usual receipts for 12
> new batteries dating back to WWII etc.
> Anyway, there are lots of yellow tags stapled in the logs and almost as many in various envelopes.
> I was scanning the logs onto a CD and it got me thinking.
> Do the yellow tags have to stay in the logbook or can I neaten up and keep them all together in an envelope?

I would leave them stapled in the logbook. It gives a clearer chronology
of what was installed when.

[JDupre5762]

>Do the yellow tags have to stay in the logbook or can I neaten up and keep
>them all together in an envelope?

Yes you can keep the yellow tags separate from the logbooks. I have seen
people use photo albums with the clear contact sheet covers. You can also
simply throw away a lot of them. Having a yellow tag for a twenty year old
starter that was replaced ten years ago doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Since the component is no longer on the aircraft I can't see why keeping that
information is helpful. Keeping yellow tags for currently installed equipment
is the only real requirement.

John Dupre'

[Ron Natalie]

"JDupre5762" > wrote in message ...
> Keeping yellow tags for currently installed equipment
> is the only real requirement.
>
Actually, there's not even a requirement for that, however it behooves you
to do so because sometimes knowing the date and nature of the last overhaul
can save you some grief at a later AD time.

[Ron Natalie]

"Gene Kearns" > wrote in message ...

> Actually, in this day and age, I'd almost argue that there *is* a
> regulatory requirement. Else, how would you *prove* to an ASI that
> the part you installed was not a SUP and that you were in compliance
> with 43.13(a/b)?

The log book entry.

[Bill Hale]

(JDupre5762) wrote in message >...
> >Do the yellow tags have to stay in the logbook or can I neaten up and keep
> >them all together in an envelope?
>

Great idea to have a notebook plastic bag to put them in.

You are required to keep the record until the part is replaced or
for 1 year.

If the part was life-limited, it might be a good idea to keep it longer!!

For example... you replace a heat muff. You keep the tag for a year.

I'm looking for the FAR section... not finding it. Bill Hale A&P

[Ron Natalie]

"Bill Hale" > wrote in message om...

> I'm looking for the FAR section... not finding it. Bill Hale A&P

You won't find any such FAR section.
The repair station is required to keep them for two years, there's no specific
requirement for the aircraft owner to keep them.

[Bill Hale]

(JDupre5762) wrote in message >...
> >Do the yellow tags have to stay in the logbook or can I neaten up and keep
> >them all together in an envelope?

Following up on my own answer, see FAR 91.417. 1 year is the answer,
unless the documentation relates to something that has a life-limit
or specific overhaul time.

I'd pitch ones on things that are no longer in your airplane for sure.

Bill Hale A&P

[Mike Long]

For resale, I would keep the record forever, even if in a separate folder.

Mike

(Bill Hale) wrote in message >...
> (JDupre5762) wrote in message >...
> > >Do the yellow tags have to stay in the logbook or can I neaten up and keep
> > >them all together in an envelope?
> >
>
> Great idea to have a notebook plastic bag to put them in.
>
> You are required to keep the record until the part is replaced or
> for 1 year.
>
> If the part was life-limited, it might be a good idea to keep it longer!!
>
> For example... you replace a heat muff. You keep the tag for a year.
>
> I'm looking for the FAR section... not finding it. Bill Hale A&P

[Newps]

Mike Long wrote:

> For resale, I would keep the record forever, even if in a separate folder.

Why? Is there some idiot out there that's going to ask for a yellow tag
for a part that isn't on the airplane anymore?

[G.R. Patterson III]

Gene Kearns wrote:
>
> It really is a good idea.... maybe not for all the right reasons. The
> average buyer is not going to comb the logs with a fine tooth comb
> and/or have a professional idea of what they are looking at anyway,

Well, *every* prospective buyer that looked at my Cessna 150 read every page
of the logbooks. Since it had over 6,000 hours on the airframe, this took quite
some time. I'm sure that none of them had a "professional" idea of the entries,
but most sure knew what they were looking for.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

[Grandpa B.]

Hell, I was selling a J5 as an experimental, and one tirekicker spent an
hour and a half poring over the logs - for an aircraft that was listed with
the feds as having been scrapped! There were only a handful of original J5
parts left; the rest was either amateur-built or missing.

Jon B.

> Gene Kearns wrote:
> >
> > It really is a good idea.... maybe not for all the right reasons. The
> > average buyer is not going to comb the logs with a fine tooth comb
> > and/or have a professional idea of what they are looking at anyway,
>
> Well, *every* prospective buyer that looked at my Cessna 150 read every
page
> of the logbooks. Since it had over 6,000 hours on the airframe, this took
quite
> some time. I'm sure that none of them had a "professional" idea of the
entries,
> but most sure knew what they were looking for.
>
> George Patterson

[Dave Stadt]

"Grandpa B." <never.mind> wrote in message
...
> Hell, I was selling a J5 as an experimental, and one tirekicker spent an
> hour and a half poring over the logs - for an aircraft that was listed
with
> the feds as having been scrapped! There were only a handful of original J5
> parts left; the rest was either amateur-built or missing.
>
> Jon B.

I bet he hardly looked at the airplane.


>
> > Gene Kearns wrote:
> > >
> > > It really is a good idea.... maybe not for all the right reasons. The
> > > average buyer is not going to comb the logs with a fine tooth comb
> > > and/or have a professional idea of what they are looking at anyway,
> >
> > Well, *every* prospective buyer that looked at my Cessna 150 read every
> page
> > of the logbooks. Since it had over 6,000 hours on the airframe, this
took
> quite
> > some time. I'm sure that none of them had a "professional" idea of the
> entries,
> > but most sure knew what they were looking for.
> >
> > George Patterson
>
>
>

[JDupre5762]

>"Grandpa B." <never.mind> wrote in message
...
>> Hell, I was selling a J5 as an experimental, and one tirekicker spent an
>> hour and a half poring over the logs - for an aircraft that was listed
>with
>> the feds as having been scrapped! There were only a handful of original J5
>> parts left; the rest was either amateur-built or missing.
>>
>> Jon B.
>

>I bet he hardly looked at the airplane.

Not quite on the same topic. But I can usually tell how good an airplane will
be just by looking at the logs. Clear and concise log book entries that include
part and serial numbers for components installed and actually describe what was
accomplished to complete a repair or inspection plus a comprehensive list of
ADs tell me that an airplane was well maintained by someone who knew what he
was doing. Page after page of just "Annual complied with" with no account of
servicing or parts replacements or repairs or ADs complied with tells me that
the airplane will require a lot of work due to neglect. Then I look at the
airplane. It never fails, a few hours spent in the logs will tell me as much
as a visual inspection. One clue is tabulating total time. It is amazing how
many people just trust the math of the last guy to sign off the logbooks.
Probably every 5th new customer aircraft I look at has serious problems with
total time records. Usually someone has replaced the hobbs meter or recording
tach and the next guy doesn't bother to do the math. I will figure out what
the correction factor is and make a note of it right on the cover of the
logbook.

John Dupre'