New 172S

[Rob Thomas]

Does anyone have any recent experience with purchasing a new 172S?

I'd like to know if there's any room for negotiation on the price of the
aircraft from the list price. Considering that Cessna has decreased
production, I'm beginning to think they will force a demand in the
marketplace.

I *FULLY* understand the arguments of the newsgroup against purchasing new,
but with the current tax breaks for my business, purchasing new makes sense.

r.

[R.Hubbell]

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:29:39 GMT "Rob Thomas" > wrote:

> Does anyone have any recent experience with purchasing a new 172S?
>
> I'd like to know if there's any room for negotiation on the price of the
> aircraft from the list price. Considering that Cessna has decreased
> production, I'm beginning to think they will force a demand in the
> marketplace.
>
> I *FULLY* understand the arguments of the newsgroup against purchasing new,
> but with the current tax breaks for my business, purchasing new makes sense.


The Diamonds are amazing. But don't take my word.

After reading about the Diamond 4-place (DA40-180) I don't know why anyone
would buy a new 172. 75%@4000ft.
http://www.diamondair.com/contentc/da40photos.htm


Don't even look at the Diamond twin. Wow!


http://www.diamond-air.at/Pressebilder/DA42TwinStar/MEDIUM

I couldn't find out how much the twin costs??

I'll bet both these planes have a nice juicy backlog already.


R. Hubbell
>
> r.
>
>

[Dude]

If I were you , I would talk to as many FBO owners as I could about the
situation with Cessna. They all seem to know that market well. When I was
looking over a year ago, there were several instances of deep discounts in
both new and nearly new skyhawks. Several people discussed it here. I
think those deals may be gone for now, but there may be an echo later.

Bonus depreciation is a great thing, but I would tell you to look at other
models as well. Diamond and Tiger are my favorites in this class. I would
only buy the Cessna if the others were not good ergonomically, or if I were
planning to land on a rough strips (but then I would not buy new in spite of
depreciation).

[Jay Honeck]

Our FBO (Jet-Air, Inc.) is a Cessna dealer, and they seem to be pushing some
pretty deep discounts on new Skyhawks.

Try 'em at 319-351-5875. Ask for Ron Duffe -- he's one of the good guys in
aviation.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Dude" > wrote in message
...
> If I were you , I would talk to as many FBO owners as I could about the
> situation with Cessna. They all seem to know that market well. When I
was
> looking over a year ago, there were several instances of deep discounts in
> both new and nearly new skyhawks. Several people discussed it here. I
> think those deals may be gone for now, but there may be an echo later.
>
> Bonus depreciation is a great thing, but I would tell you to look at other
> models as well. Diamond and Tiger are my favorites in this class. I
would
> only buy the Cessna if the others were not good ergonomically, or if I
were
> planning to land on a rough strips (but then I would not buy new in spite
of
> depreciation).
>
>

[Dude]

"Dude" > wrote in message
...
> If I were you , I would talk to as many FBO owners as I could about the
> situation with Cessna. They all seem to know that market well. When I
was
> looking over a year ago, there were several instances of deep discounts in
> both new and nearly new skyhawks. Several people discussed it here. I
> think those deals may be gone for now, but there may be an echo later.
>
> Bonus depreciation is a great thing, but I would tell you to look at other
> models as well. Diamond and Tiger are my favorites in this class. I
would
> only buy the Cessna if the others were not good ergonomically, or if I
were
> planning to land on a rough strips (but then I would not buy new in spite
of
> depreciation).
>


Before anyone takes my last line out of context let me point out that I
would and did by a new plane, but I would not do so if I were using it on a
rough strip.

Has anyone ever wondered who buys new SUV's for over 50k, and then goes out
rock hopping? I guess if you have lots of bucks...

Also, it appears that Cessna's discounting schemes continue. You might try
working your way up the chain. As I understand it, Cessna has a 3 layer
distribution model, so cutting out the middleman may work in your favor (or
it may not, you never know).

[Rob Thomas]

I am considering a Star. The thing that Cessna has going for it right now
is a great financing package through Cessna Finance Corp. I'm trying to
find out now if Star is working on matching that type of deal.

r.

"R.Hubbell" > wrote in message
news:20040219201706.221ba6ee@fstop...
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:29:39 GMT "Rob Thomas" >
wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any recent experience with purchasing a new 172S?
> >
> > I'd like to know if there's any room for negotiation on the price of the
> > aircraft from the list price. Considering that Cessna has decreased
> > production, I'm beginning to think they will force a demand in the
> > marketplace.
> >
> > I *FULLY* understand the arguments of the newsgroup against purchasing
new,
> > but with the current tax breaks for my business, purchasing new makes
sense.
>
>
> The Diamonds are amazing. But don't take my word.
>
> After reading about the Diamond 4-place (DA40-180) I don't know why
anyone
> would buy a new 172. 75%@4000ft.
> http://www.diamondair.com/contentc/da40photos.htm
>
>
> Don't even look at the Diamond twin. Wow!
>
>
> http://www.diamond-air.at/Pressebilder/DA42TwinStar/MEDIUM
>
> I couldn't find out how much the twin costs??
>
> I'll bet both these planes have a nice juicy backlog already.
>
>
> R. Hubbell
> >
> > r.
> >
> >

[Dude]

What kind of deal is it?

I got an offer for 10% down, 5.25, 20 years from someone in the mail the
other day. Couldn't believe it. Cessna has a better deal?

[Rob Thomas]

Wow, that's very good. The banks I've talked to around here haven't been
that low. Cessna is offering 10% down with 4.5%. It's only a 7 year loan
though with a balloon, so it would have to be refinanced at some point.

Can you e-mail me the bank that you go that info from?

r.

"Dude" > wrote in message
...
> What kind of deal is it?
>
> I got an offer for 10% down, 5.25, 20 years from someone in the mail the
> other day. Couldn't believe it. Cessna has a better deal?
>
>

[Karl Treier]

Beacon Aero Credit has good rates

[john smith]

Dude wrote:
> Bonus depreciation is a great thing, but I would tell you to look at other
> models as well. Diamond and Tiger are my favorites in this class. I would
> only buy the Cessna if the others were not good ergonomically, or if I were
> planning to land on a rough strips (but then I would not buy new in spite of
> depreciation).

I went to a Diamond presentation last week.
The speaker (a VP in the company) said that the average out the door
price for the DA-40 is about $230K USd. (This is customer ordered with
options, not base.)

The DA-42 is expected to be out the door around $330k USd (?).
The engines will be TBR, time before replacement, at 1000 hours. This is
expected to increase with experience. There are about 40 flying in
Europe, working out the bugs before entry in the US market. Pricing is
not firm due to foreign exchange fluctuations on EU sourced parts
(ie-engines).

[R.Hubbell]

On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:16:06 GMT "Rob Thomas" > wrote:

> I am considering a Star. The thing that Cessna has going for it right now
> is a great financing package through Cessna Finance Corp. I'm trying to
> find out now if Star is working on matching that type of deal.


If the financing available is your criteria I think cessna will win
in that category. But that's the only category it will win.
I would be surprised if Diamond offered any discounts or big incentives.
They don't need to, like Cirrus I'll bet they have no shortage of purchasers.


R. Hubbell


>
> r.
>
> "R.Hubbell" > wrote in message
> news:20040219201706.221ba6ee@fstop...
> > On Fri, 20 Feb 2004 03:29:39 GMT "Rob Thomas" >
> wrote:
> >
> > > Does anyone have any recent experience with purchasing a new 172S?
> > >
> > > I'd like to know if there's any room for negotiation on the price of the
> > > aircraft from the list price. Considering that Cessna has decreased
> > > production, I'm beginning to think they will force a demand in the
> > > marketplace.
> > >
> > > I *FULLY* understand the arguments of the newsgroup against purchasing
> new,
> > > but with the current tax breaks for my business, purchasing new makes
> sense.
> >
> >
> > The Diamonds are amazing. But don't take my word.
> >
> > After reading about the Diamond 4-place (DA40-180) I don't know why
> anyone
> > would buy a new 172. 75%@4000ft.
> > http://www.diamondair.com/contentc/da40photos.htm
> >
> >
> > Don't even look at the Diamond twin. Wow!
> >
> >
> > http://www.diamond-air.at/Pressebilder/DA42TwinStar/MEDIUM
> >
> > I couldn't find out how much the twin costs??
> >
> > I'll bet both these planes have a nice juicy backlog already.
> >
> >
> > R. Hubbell
> > >
> > > r.
> > >
> > >
>
>

[Dude]

> Dude wrote:
> > Bonus depreciation is a great thing, but I would tell you to look at
other
> > models as well. Diamond and Tiger are my favorites in this class. I
would
> > only buy the Cessna if the others were not good ergonomically, or if I
were
> > planning to land on a rough strips (but then I would not buy new in
spite of
> > depreciation).
>
> I went to a Diamond presentation last week.
> The speaker (a VP in the company) said that the average out the door
> price for the DA-40 is about $230K USd. (This is customer ordered with
> options, not base.)
>
> The DA-42 is expected to be out the door around $330k USd (?).
> The engines will be TBR, time before replacement, at 1000 hours. This is
> expected to increase with experience. There are about 40 flying in
> Europe, working out the bugs before entry in the US market. Pricing is
> not firm due to foreign exchange fluctuations on EU sourced parts
> (ie-engines).


I bet that 330 is Euro, or Canadian. They were saying 360US originally, and
that was when the euro was less than or even to the dollar. Diamond meets a
lot of their projections, better than most aviation companies, but I
would'nt bet on anything less than 400 with what most folks will want.
Still gotta be making them nervous at Piper though.