I am NOT superstitious

[Jay Honeck]

....And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
world:

Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
the panel worked as designed all at the same time!

Both radios (one new), both VORs (one new), both GPS's (one new), the
transponder (new), the DME, the audio panel (repaired), the intercom (new),
the engine analyzer (new), the fuel flow meter, the gas gauges, the oil
pressure and temperature gauge, the DG (new) , the AI (new), the altimeter,
the autopilot, the CD player (new), every single toggle switch, both
rheostats (just replaced one Friday), and EVERY GOD-DANGED LIGHT BULB in the
panel now works.

Ha! I dare the Aviation Gods to strike me dead where I stand!

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" > said:
>...And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
>world:

It's been nice knowing you. Obviously with all that stuff working, you're
going to be so busy admiring your panel that you're going to CFIT.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I once successfully declined a departmental retreat, saying that on
that day I planned instead to advance.
-- Alan J. Rosenthal

[Dude]

Hope your bank account is ready for a big hit. There is obviously something
dangerously wrong with your electrical system. Maybe its time to go ahead
and do the annual early.

---------------

Enjoy while it lasts :)

[Mike Z.]

I admire your guts. Probably get hit by lightning....

You got bigger ones than I my friend!

Mike Z


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02...
> ...And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
> world:
>
> Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> the panel worked as designed all at the same time!
>
big snip, sounded like bragging, hehe>

[Jay Honeck]

> I admire your guts. Probably get hit by lightning....

Pshaw! I spit in the face of fate, and all that it threatens or promises!

(Of course, I'm now cowering beneath my desk, but I can spit a loooong
ways... ;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> It's been nice knowing you. Obviously with all that stuff working, you're
> going to be so busy admiring your panel that you're going to CFIT.

Nonsense! I've now replaced absolutely everything that could or should EVER
break! There's absolutely nothing left to go wrong!

What could possibly go xz;lja[97uf90ause9-r qw9-tu8gnerfiohndv/k n ?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ben Jackson]

In article <DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
>the panel worked as designed all at the same time!

Jay, I realize you are in a dire predicament. That's why I'm willing
to make you a great deal on the Apollo LORAN 604T from my Comanche.
It fits in a standard height radio tray, and does not appear to lock on
to anything, though it does light up and try. The selector knobs are a
little gunked up and miss clicks sometimes. It doesn't weigh much. It
hasn't been possible to update the database for years, but you won't
mind because the interface is too obtuse for you to find anything in the
db anyway.

Think of it as an avionics lightning rod for your panel.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" > said:
>> Jay, I realize you are in a dire predicament. That's why I'm willing
>> to make you a great deal on the Apollo LORAN 604T from my Comanche.
>> Think of it as an avionics lightning rod for your panel.
>
>Hey, there was one of those in an old Cherokee 140 we used to rent! It was
>the most needlessly complex, utterly useless device anyone had ever seen in
>an aircraft.

Our club's Lance has a Loran in it that as far as I know, only one person
ever used. And I'm not too sure about him because he always complained
that it couldn't lock on "if somebody flew the plane without turning it
on". Yeah, I laughed when I read that too.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"I complained that finding a solution to problems with Microsoft software
would be impossible if profanity was blocked, as few people can discuss
Microsoft's programs without using profanity." DarrylJ on alt.folklore.urban

[Jay Honeck]

> Jay, I realize you are in a dire predicament. That's why I'm willing
> to make you a great deal on the Apollo LORAN 604T from my Comanche.
> Think of it as an avionics lightning rod for your panel.

Hey, there was one of those in an old Cherokee 140 we used to rent! It was
the most needlessly complex, utterly useless device anyone had ever seen in
an aircraft.

There was only one guy on the field who claimed to be able to make it do
anything (other than light up), and he had to wear special ceremonial robes
and mutter magic spells to make it work.

It's amazing that Apollo survived a product like that one.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom Sixkiller]

Jay...JAY...wake up man, it's time to get up and go to work.

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02...
> ...And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
> world:
>
> Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> the panel worked as designed all at the same time!
>
> Both radios (one new), both VORs (one new), both GPS's (one new), the
> transponder (new), the DME, the audio panel (repaired), the intercom
(new),
> the engine analyzer (new), the fuel flow meter, the gas gauges, the oil
> pressure and temperature gauge, the DG (new) , the AI (new), the
altimeter,
> the autopilot, the CD player (new), every single toggle switch, both
> rheostats (just replaced one Friday), and EVERY GOD-DANGED LIGHT BULB in
the
> panel now works.
>
> Ha! I dare the Aviation Gods to strike me dead where I stand!
>
> ;-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[G.R. Patterson III]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
> Our club's Lance has a Loran in it that as far as I know, only one person
> ever used. And I'm not too sure about him because he always complained
> that it couldn't lock on "if somebody flew the plane without turning it
> on". Yeah, I laughed when I read that too.

Don't laugh. He's only missing one step in there. If you turn the LORAN off,
fly the plane more than a few miles, and turn it back on again at a different
location, it won't lock in. All it would take is for somebody to take the plane,
fly a bit, notice the LORAN is on and turn it off, then return to base. My
Foster unit has been known to do this after having been moved as little as
twenty miles, but it usually takes more than that.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, said:
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>
>> Our club's Lance has a Loran in it that as far as I know, only one person
>> ever used. And I'm not too sure about him because he always complained
>> that it couldn't lock on "if somebody flew the plane without turning it
>> on". Yeah, I laughed when I read that too.
>
>Don't laugh. He's only missing one step in there. If you turn the LORAN off,
>fly the plane more than a few miles, and turn it back on again at a different
>location, it won't lock in. All it would take is for somebody to take the plane,

It couldn't lock on AT ALL? Or it would take a little while? I thought
LORAN was an absolute positioner (like GPS) not just a relative positioner
like INS.

Are you going to tell me that all those LORANs in people's boats have to
be on all the time the boat is being trailered?

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"It's free they say, if you can get it to run, the geeks say `hey, that's half
the fun', but I've got a girlfriend and things to get done, the Linux OS sucks"
- Three Dead Trolls In A Baggie, "Every OS Sucks" http://www.deadtroll.com/

[G.R. Patterson III]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
> It couldn't lock on AT ALL? Or it would take a little while? I thought
> LORAN was an absolute positioner (like GPS) not just a relative positioner
> like INS.

It won't lock on at all - it has to be initialized (you have to input the
latitude and longitude).

> Are you going to tell me that all those LORANs in people's boats have to
> be on all the time the boat is being trailered?

I don't know about boats, but that would not be the case with aircraft, either.
I can cut my LORAN off, fly from 3N6 to anywhere, return to 3N6, and the LORAN
will work fine when I cut it back on again. What I *can't* do is cut it off,
fly from 3N6 to, say, FDK, turn the LORAN on and expect it to lock in.

The problem is that the LORAN determines your position by timing signals from
three transmitters. This group of transmitters is called a "chain". The box
can figure out, for example, that you are 30 miles from transmitter #1, 35 from
#2, and 15 from #3. The problem is that there are two places on Earth that are
these distances from those transmitters. If you happen to be very close to the
last place you shut down when you turn the box on, it figures that you haven't
moved.

If you moved the plane since you shut the LORAN down, it won't know which of
those two positions to use when you turn it back on. If you are at a location
at which any two of the transmitters are nearly in line, you don't have to move
the box far to confuse it.

There's also usually a battery on the board to allow the LORAN to remember where
you were the last time you turned it off. My LORAN will not work at all if this
battery dies.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

[Ray Andraka]

Famous last words. I said that last summer after my overhaul, and then spent
the fall chasing a carb problem (which Penn Yann only covered for what they felt
was a reasonable troubleshooting time, about 60% of what it cost me). Now BOTH
vacuum gyros are getting hinky, and the strikefinder is finding my transponder
several hundred times a minute. *SIGH* it's only money.

Jay Honeck wrote:

> > It's been nice knowing you. Obviously with all that stuff working, you're
> > going to be so busy admiring your panel that you're going to CFIT.
>
> Nonsense! I've now replaced absolutely everything that could or should EVER
> break! There's absolutely nothing left to go wrong!
>
> What could possibly go xz;lja[97uf90ause9-r qw9-tu8gnerfiohndv/k n ?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Ray Andraka]

Hey, my Foster does that too! You can reinitialize it in the air, but it requires
you to enter the lat-lon from the GPS (well, sectionals work too), wearing a
ceremonial robe, a couple of magic incantations, and a plastic Jesus on the
glareshield to make it happen. You'd better have a second set of eyes to look for
traffic while you are doing it too. Flying through a thunderstorm can also make it
lose its position (don't ask me how I know).

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

>
> Don't laugh. He's only missing one step in there. If you turn the LORAN off,
> fly the plane more than a few miles, and turn it back on again at a different
> location, it won't lock in. All it would take is for somebody to take the plane,
> fly a bit, notice the LORAN is on and turn it off, then return to base. My
> Foster unit has been known to do this after having been moved as little as
> twenty miles, but it usually takes more than that.
>
> George Patterson
> A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
> you look forward to the trip.

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Ray Andraka]

A little birdie told me that battery can be replaced in about 20 minutes with a
little bit of laying on of the hands, and a hot soldering iron. He also told me
that digikey has the exact replacement battery. 3N6 holds a special place in my
heart. It is where I met my metal mistress. Mine usually will find itself after
being moved with power off, but can take upwards of 5 minutes, as long as it is far
from one of the two chain loci. I had lots of problems with it when I took it down
to New Mexico though, because it didn't have the mid continent chain. I've since
replaced it with a later serial number one that has it. For now, I'm keeping it
since it is hooked into my autopilot.

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:

> Paul Tomblin wrote:
> >
> > It couldn't lock on AT ALL? Or it would take a little while? I thought
> > LORAN was an absolute positioner (like GPS) not just a relative positioner
> > like INS.
>
> It won't lock on at all - it has to be initialized (you have to input the
> latitude and longitude).
>
> > Are you going to tell me that all those LORANs in people's boats have to
> > be on all the time the boat is being trailered?
>
> I don't know about boats, but that would not be the case with aircraft, either.
> I can cut my LORAN off, fly from 3N6 to anywhere, return to 3N6, and the LORAN
> will work fine when I cut it back on again. What I *can't* do is cut it off,
> fly from 3N6 to, say, FDK, turn the LORAN on and expect it to lock in.
>
> The problem is that the LORAN determines your position by timing signals from
> three transmitters. This group of transmitters is called a "chain". The box
> can figure out, for example, that you are 30 miles from transmitter #1, 35 from
> #2, and 15 from #3. The problem is that there are two places on Earth that are
> these distances from those transmitters. If you happen to be very close to the
> last place you shut down when you turn the box on, it figures that you haven't
> moved.
>
> If you moved the plane since you shut the LORAN down, it won't know which of
> those two positions to use when you turn it back on. If you are at a location
> at which any two of the transmitters are nearly in line, you don't have to move
> the box far to confuse it.
>
> There's also usually a battery on the board to allow the LORAN to remember where
> you were the last time you turned it off. My LORAN will not work at all if this
> battery dies.
>
> George Patterson
> A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
> you look forward to the trip.

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Jay Honeck]

> Famous last words. I said that last summer after my overhaul, and then
spent
> the fall chasing a carb problem (which Penn Yann only covered for what
they felt
> was a reasonable troubleshooting time, about 60% of what it cost me).

What you describe is one major reason why I decided to have our O-540
rebuilt locally.

Any problems -- and there have been none in the year since it was done,
knock on nickel cadmium -- could be corrected immediately by the shop.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dan Thomas]

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:<KxM0c.156475$jk2.596429@attbi_s53>...
> In article <DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02>,
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
> >
> >Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> >the panel worked as designed all at the same time!

None of it is Narco, obviously.

Dan

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
G.R. Patterson III > wrote:
>
>It won't lock on at all - it has to be initialized (you have to input the
>latitude and longitude).

Heh, this started as a joke about my broken LORAN and ends with a hint
about how to get it working. I read the manual and printed the quickref
but I only remember setup involving the GRI (which I have tried enough
times I have the Pacific Northwest GRI memorized -- 9940!).

Perhaps the little battery is dead.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Jay Honeck]

> None of it is Narco, obviously.

Actually, the audio panel, both VORs, both COMS, and the DME are ALL Narco.

I really don't know what everyone bitches about them for -- they've worked
well for me.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Doug]

Somehow, I suspect if Jay DID put it in Atlas, in a year or two the
thing would be working like a charm.

(Ben Jackson) wrote in message news:<KxM0c.156475$jk2.596429@attbi_s53>...
> In article <DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02>,
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
> >
> >Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> >the panel worked as designed all at the same time!
>
> Jay, I realize you are in a dire predicament. That's why I'm willing
> to make you a great deal on the Apollo LORAN 604T from my Comanche.
> It fits in a standard height radio tray, and does not appear to lock on
> to anything, though it does light up and try. The selector knobs are a
> little gunked up and miss clicks sometimes. It doesn't weigh much. It
> hasn't been possible to update the database for years, but you won't
> mind because the interface is too obtuse for you to find anything in the
> db anyway.
>
> Think of it as an avionics lightning rod for your panel.

[Ray Andraka]

Jay, I'm with on on that. I put a KX155 in last year, taking out an MX11 and a
NAV11. The Nav in the KX155 is not anywhere near as sensitive as the Narco
Navs. I do like the digital flip-flop on the NAV, which is a new capability,
and the fact that I now have dual glide slopes (although the second one is
useless because of the location of the glideslope antenna which gets shadowed
by the nose).

Jay Honeck wrote:

> > None of it is Narco, obviously.
>
> Actually, the audio panel, both VORs, both COMS, and the DME are ALL Narco.
>
> I really don't know what everyone bitches about them for -- they've worked
> well for me.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Bob Fry]

(Paul Tomblin) writes:

> It's been nice knowing you. Obviously with all that stuff working, you're
> going to be so busy admiring your panel that you're going to CFIT.

There is no T to CFI in Iowa.

[Jay Honeck]

> Jay, I'm with on on that. I put a KX155 in last year, taking out an MX11
and a
> NAV11. The Nav in the KX155 is not anywhere near as sensitive as the
Narco
> Navs. I do like the digital flip-flop on the NAV, which is a new
capability,

I went with the new Narco Com 810, which is a slide-in replacement for the
Com 120, and gives you digital flip-flop capability.

It's been utterly bulletproof, and is a joy to work.

Narco has been okay for me.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article <DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02>, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

> ...And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
> world:
>
> Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> the panel worked as designed all at the same time!

you are braver than I. Having spent around $30,000 overhauling
and fixing my aircraft Feb 2003 (gotta love those famous words
"while you are at it..."), I still wasn't counting on an easy annual
this year but, thankfully, it was. I brought the airplane
into the hangar 8:30am Saturday morning and we finished it
about 6pm Sunday evening. No repairs were required, just
the usual lubricate, clean, etc. *phew*

--
Bob Noel

[bryan chaisone]

Jay wrote:
> Ha! I dare the Aviation Gods to strike me dead where I stand!
>

Jay, when you go, can I have your boots? What size do you wear?

Got pics of the panel yet? Let's see them.

Bryan Chaisone
"Measure twice, cut once." ~ somebody.
"Check everything twice, you just might get to fly again." ~ Bryan


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02>...
> ...And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
> world:
>
> Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> the panel worked as designed all at the same time!
>
> Both radios (one new), both VORs (one new), both GPS's (one new), the
> transponder (new), the DME, the audio panel (repaired), the intercom (new),
> the engine analyzer (new), the fuel flow meter, the gas gauges, the oil
> pressure and temperature gauge, the DG (new) , the AI (new), the altimeter,
> the autopilot, the CD player (new), every single toggle switch, both
> rheostats (just replaced one Friday), and EVERY GOD-DANGED LIGHT BULB in the
> panel now works.
>
> Ha! I dare the Aviation Gods to strike me dead where I stand!
>
> ;-)

[Jack Allison]

ROTFL...that's right, the sectionals are only a couple shades of green. Not
nearly as colorful as the ones us left coasters have to use. Maybe Jay
needs to worry about CFIFS or "Controlled Flight Into Flat Stuff".

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL

"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
you will always long to return"
- Leonardo Da Vinci

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[bryan chaisone]

Jay and all other owners,

To assure safe flight, have your planes blessed.

Buddhist monk, available to bless airplanes:

Blessing on site: cost of travel + $350.00 and a case of
Corona.
Blessing by phone: $12.50 and a sixpack of Bud.
Blessing over the internet: buck twenty five ($1.25).

Above prices are good for first three flights. Add 76 cents ($0.76)
for each additional flight.

Bryan "the monk" Chaisone
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rogue's_gallery_a-h.htm#C

co"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02>...
> ...And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
> world:
>
> Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> the panel worked as designed all at the same time!
>
> Both radios (one new), both VORs (one new), both GPS's (one new), the
> transponder (new), the DME, the audio panel (repaired), the intercom (new),
> the engine analyzer (new), the fuel flow meter, the gas gauges, the oil
> pressure and temperature gauge, the DG (new) , the AI (new), the altimeter,
> the autopilot, the CD player (new), every single toggle switch, both
> rheostats (just replaced one Friday), and EVERY GOD-DANGED LIGHT BULB in the
> panel now works.
>
> Ha! I dare the Aviation Gods to strike me dead where I stand!
>
> ;-)

[Ray Andraka]

The MX11 has digital flip-flop, but it is comm only. I had a Nav 122 and a
Nav11 for the nav radios. The KX155 has digital flip-flops for both the comm
and the Nav. The only feature added to my panel is the second glideslope
(KI209) and the digital flip-flop on Nav1.

Jay Honeck wrote:

> > Jay, I'm with on on that. I put a KX155 in last year, taking out an MX11
> and a
> > NAV11. The Nav in the KX155 is not anywhere near as sensitive as the
> Narco
> > Navs. I do like the digital flip-flop on the NAV, which is a new
> capability,
>
> I went with the new Narco Com 810, which is a slide-in replacement for the
> Com 120, and gives you digital flip-flop capability.
>
> It's been utterly bulletproof, and is a joy to work.
>
> Narco has been okay for me.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> It's been utterly bulletproof, and is a joy to work.
^^^^^^^^^^^
Of course. Everything you own is.

--- Jay


--

__!__
Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.oceancityairport.com
http://www.oc-adolfos.com

[Jay Honeck]

> Buddhist monk, available to bless airplanes:

Hey, Bryan -- how many blessings can I buy with free admission to our
rec.aviation party at OSH this year? We have really, really good beer!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

>Of course. Everything you own is.

Boy, nothing could be farther from the truth.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:dLQ0c.18910$PR3.433669@attbi_s03...
> > None of it is Narco, obviously.
>
> Actually, the audio panel, both VORs, both COMS, and the DME are ALL
Narco.
>
> I really don't know what everyone bitches about them for -- they've worked
> well for me.
> --
One at a time....

[G.R. Patterson III]

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote:
>
> The problem is that there are two places on Earth that are
> these distances from those transmitters.

Well, this is obviously wrong, so I have to admit that I don't know why my LORAN
can't figure out where it is if you move it. The manual doesn't say why, either.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Ray Andraka wrote:
>
> A little birdie told me that battery can be replaced in about 20 minutes with a
> little bit of laying on of the hands, and a hot soldering iron.

That's about what it takes to replace mine, and, yes, you can usually find one
at a good electronics shop.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

[G.R. Patterson III]

bryan chaisone wrote:
>
> "Measure twice, cut once." ~ somebody.

It's better to use a "story stick" and not measure at all.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

[Bob Chilcoat]

Well, maybe in an airplane Iowa seems flat, but having ridden RAGBRAI (Jay
will know what this means), I have it on first hand authority that Iowa is
NOT flat from a bicycle, particularly on a tandem. My wife and the three
(then) kids would heartily agree.

--
Bob (Chief Pilot, White Knuckle Airways)


"Jack Allison" > wrote in message
...
> ROTFL...that's right, the sectionals are only a couple shades of green.
Not
> nearly as colorful as the ones us left coasters have to use. Maybe Jay
> needs to worry about CFIFS or "Controlled Flight Into Flat Stuff".
>
> --
> Jack Allison
> PP-ASEL
>
> "When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the Earth
> with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have been, and there
> you will always long to return"
> - Leonardo Da Vinci
>
> (Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)
>
>

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
>>> bulletproof
>>> ^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Of course. Everything you own is.

> Boy, nothing could be farther from the truth.


I was teasing you for using that expression A LOT.


--- Jay



--

__!__
Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.oceancityairport.com
http://www.oc-adolfos.com

[Jay Honeck]

> > Boy, nothing could be farther from the truth.
>
>
> I was teasing you for using that expression A LOT.

Do I? I'll try to brighten up my prose a bit. (I hate being predictable.
:-)

Heck, I WISH everything I owned was "bulletproof". It seems like entropy
and airplanes go together like milk and cookies...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Well, maybe in an airplane Iowa seems flat, but having ridden RAGBRAI (Jay
> will know what this means), I have it on first hand authority that Iowa is
> NOT flat from a bicycle, particularly on a tandem. My wife and the three
> (then) kids would heartily agree.

People are always surprised by how hilly Iowa is. They're even more
surprised to find we live on a hill, and the airport is in a valley.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[john smith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Actually, the audio panel, both VORs, both COMS, and the DME are ALL Narco.

So what was the fix for the cross-talk problem?

[Jay Honeck]

> So what was the fix for the cross-talk problem?

Fly 2 miles away from Iowa City...

But seriously, I wasn't considering that as something "not working" -- it's
just an annoyance when I'm taxiing out to the active.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Gene Seibel]

If you get bored looking at that panel, let me know and I'll send you
something that doesn't work. ;)
--
Gene Seibel
Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
Because I fly, I envy no one.





"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02>...
> ...And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
> world:
>
> Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> the panel worked as designed all at the same time!
>
> Both radios (one new), both VORs (one new), both GPS's (one new), the
> transponder (new), the DME, the audio panel (repaired), the intercom (new),
> the engine analyzer (new), the fuel flow meter, the gas gauges, the oil
> pressure and temperature gauge, the DG (new) , the AI (new), the altimeter,
> the autopilot, the CD player (new), every single toggle switch, both
> rheostats (just replaced one Friday), and EVERY GOD-DANGED LIGHT BULB in the
> panel now works.
>
> Ha! I dare the Aviation Gods to strike me dead where I stand!
>
> ;-)

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, (Ben Jackson) said:
>In article >,
>Bob Fry > wrote:
(Paul Tomblin) writes:
>>> It's been nice knowing you. Obviously with all that stuff working, you're
>>> going to be so busy admiring your panel that you're going to CFIT.
>>
>>There is no T to CFI in Iowa.
>
>Sure, T for Tower!

Tell that Eastern Airlines flight that crashed in the Everglades because
nobody was minding the store that you can't CFIT in flat ground.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
As for taste buds, bear in mind that the country which gave the world
Irn Bru also developed the Deep Fried Mars Bar. Marmite is the height
of sophistication in comparison. -- Malcolm Ray

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Bob Fry > wrote:
(Paul Tomblin) writes:
>
>> It's been nice knowing you. Obviously with all that stuff working, you're
>> going to be so busy admiring your panel that you're going to CFIT.
>
>There is no T to CFI in Iowa.

Sure, T for Tower!

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[bryan chaisone]

General, you're gonna have to explain that one to me.

Bryan Chaisone
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rogue's_gallery_a-h.htm#C






"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message >...
> bryan chaisone wrote:
> >
> > "Measure twice, cut once." ~ somebody.
>
> It's better to use a "story stick" and not measure at all.
>
> George Patterson
> A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
> you look forward to the trip.

[bryan chaisone]

General,

Me don't get it. Care to elaborate? Thanks.

Bryan Chaisone
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rogue's_gallery_a-h.htm#C

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message >...
> bryan chaisone wrote:
> >
> > "Measure twice, cut once." ~ somebody.
>
> It's better to use a "story stick" and not measure at all.
>
> George Patterson
> A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
> you look forward to the trip.

[bryan chaisone]

Jay,

I've already taken the step. In the name of Buddha, and of the
Father, the Son and the Holly ghost (I'm a Christian), your plane is
hereby blest, (for ten safe flights, my choice). Each additional
flight $0.76.

Bryan "the monk" Chaisone
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rogue's_gallery_a-h.htm#C

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<kb%0c.438503$I06.4941788@attbi_s01>...
> > Buddhist monk, available to bless airplanes:
>
> Hey, Bryan -- how many blessings can I buy with free admission to our
> rec.aviation party at OSH this year? We have really, really good beer!
>
> :-)

[bryan chaisone]

Gene,

I fly and yet I still wish I had a couple more inches. Well, the wife
does anyways. So, I guess I don't envy anyone neither.

Bryan "the monk" Chaisone
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rogue's_gallery_a-h.htm#C

(Gene Seibel) wrote in message >...
> If you get bored looking at that panel, let me know and I'll send you
> something that doesn't work. ;)
> --
> Gene Seibel
> Hangar 131 - http://pad39a.com/gene/plane.html
> Because I fly, I envy no one.
>
>
>
>
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<DtL0c.11396$ko6.199028@attbi_s02>...
> > ...And just to prove it, I will announce the following to the aviation
> > world:
> >
> > Yesterday, for the first time since I bought Atlas in 2002, EVERYTHING in
> > the panel worked as designed all at the same time!
> >
> > Both radios (one new), both VORs (one new), both GPS's (one new), the
> > transponder (new), the DME, the audio panel (repaired), the intercom (new),
> > the engine analyzer (new), the fuel flow meter, the gas gauges, the oil
> > pressure and temperature gauge, the DG (new) , the AI (new), the altimeter,
> > the autopilot, the CD player (new), every single toggle switch, both
> > rheostats (just replaced one Friday), and EVERY GOD-DANGED LIGHT BULB in the
> > panel now works.
> >
> > Ha! I dare the Aviation Gods to strike me dead where I stand!
> >
> > ;-)

[G.R. Patterson III]

bryan chaisone wrote:
>
> General, you're gonna have to explain that one to me.

A "story stick" is a piece of small lumber. Maybe scrap, maybe 1x2, whatever.
You place it in position and mark the dimension on it. Then transfer the mark
to the wood you intend to cut. In any application where one can be used, it's
safer than measuring. Do carpentry alone long enough, you'll get real used to
them.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

[Jay Honeck]

> I've already taken the step. In the name of Buddha, and of the
> Father, the Son and the Holly ghost (I'm a Christian), your plane is
> hereby blest, (for ten safe flights, my choice). Each additional
> flight $0.76.

Well, I used one of them today -- just as we landed, the field when scuddy
low IFR.

Thanks, man! :-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[bryan chaisone]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<G9%0c.438493$I06.4941936@attbi_s01>...
> > Got pics of the panel yet? Let's see them.
>
> That's the sad thing. After all this time, money, and energy, I STILL don't
> have a panel worth taking a picture of...
>
> :-(
>
> But it all works!
>
> :-)


Let's see it anyway. If Columbus waited for all conditions to be
perfect, we wouldn't have casinos in the reservations. The trip would
have never been made, The Alexis Park Inn & Suites would have never
been opened for business...yadah yadah yadah. "Everything is a work
in progress," Bryan

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rogue's_gallery_a-h.htm#C
A journey of a thousand miles begins with one step - I can't remember
the auther.

[bryan chaisone]

"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message >...
> bryan chaisone wrote:
> >
> > General, you're gonna have to explain that one to me.
>
> A "story stick" is a piece of small lumber. Maybe scrap, maybe 1x2, whatever.
> You place it in position and mark the dimension on it. Then transfer the mark
> to the wood you intend to cut. In any application where one can be used, it's
> safer than measuring. Do carpentry alone long enough, you'll get real used to
> them.
>
> George Patterson
> A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
> you look forward to the trip.


Arh! now me gets it. I use that method too! I just didn't know that
the method had a name. "story stick", learn something new every day.

Thanks General,
Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone

[bryan chaisone]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<nFv1c.452775$I06.5091865@attbi_s01>...
> > I've already taken the step. In the name of Buddha, and of the
> > Father, the Son and the Holly ghost (I'm a Christian), your plane is
> > hereby blest, (for ten safe flights, my choice). Each additional
> > flight $0.76.
>
> Well, I used one of them today -- just as we landed, the field when scuddy
> low IFR.
>
> Thanks, man! :-)

See! it works. Shhhh... don't tell anyone that I'm surprised that it
works. I have an escape clause if it doesn't "(for ten safe flights,
my choice)". I'll just tell people that the flights that didn't go
well was not the flight that I blessed. Besides, if the blessing
doesn't work, I refund the money. 100% guaranty to work or your money
back! You can't ask for a better deal than that, He he.

Bryan "The Monk" Chaisone
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/rogue's_gallery_a-h.htm#C

[Russell Kent]

Jack Allison wrote:

> ROTFL...that's right, the sectionals are only a couple shades of green. Not
> nearly as colorful as the ones us left coasters have to use. Maybe Jay
> needs to worry about CFIFS or "Controlled Flight Into Flat Stuff".

Uh, I think he calls those landings...

Russell Kent

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Russell Kent >
wrote:

> Jack Allison wrote:
>
> > ROTFL...that's right, the sectionals are only a couple shades of green.
> > Not
> > nearly as colorful as the ones us left coasters have to use. Maybe Jay
> > needs to worry about CFIFS or "Controlled Flight Into Flat Stuff".
>
> Uh, I think he calls those landings...

good landings.

;-)

--
Bob Noel