Re: GPSMAP 195 or 196

[Jay Masino]

Mike Spera > wrote:
> but the current Apollo is vertical and does get in the way of the panel.
> The 195 looks even taller than the Apollo, so it may not be so good. I
> have a Cherokee 140 with bowtie yokes. Any good/bad reports in yoke
> mounting either unit?

I have a 195 on a 140's bowtie yoke. My plane is also old enough to
have the "scattered" panel layout, so the 195 partially blocks the clock.
I've been able to live with that. The Garmin yoke mount is plastic and
tends to flex a bit. I changed to an aluminum mount that I bought from
Chief, but switched back to the Garmin one after a few years (because
the aluminum one broke!).

The 195 does have a psuedo-HSI display, rather than an entire
psuedo-panel, but my opinion is that you'll be using the moving map
screen 99% of the time. The screen update rate of the 196 is probably a
lot faster than the 195, and the resolution and grey scale levels are
better on the 196. That might make it worth it. I guess it all depends
on how much you want to part with the extra $325.

--- Jay


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[Dennis O'Connor]

I have both, use both, <one on each yoke>, like both...

If you are having to question the extra money, then I strongly suggest the
195 to you...
The 196 is not horizontal, it is vertical like the 195...
They do force you to look around them at times..


Other than using the 196 "gyro panel" to shoot an informal approach a couple
of times, I don't use it for real flying... I have no interest in paying
for the street map... I haven't used the W&B feature other than to try it
once <works> The 196 is a superior instrument, faster, better graphics,
etc... The one feature I consider indispensable is the voltmeter... I no
longer have to carry an auto voltmeter that ties up my lighter socket...
denny

"Mike Spera" > wrote in message
...
> Well, the old Apollo 920 turns 10 years old this year and I am finally
> thinking about a replacement.

[Rosspilot]

>The 196 is not horizontal, it is vertical like the 195...

Mine is horizontal . . . see

http://skyviewpictures.com/html/lee_plane-control.html




www.Rosspilot.com

[Dan Luke]

"Mike Spera" wrote:
> I can get a newly overhauled (like new condition)
> 195 with a 1 year warranty for $550. No WAAS,
> no "panel page", 4 level gray.


I had a GPS III Pilot, then a 195. I liked the little GPS III Pilot
better. If you're looking for an o'hauled unit, I recommend it over the
195.
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM
(remove pants to reply by email)

[Ray Andraka]

Same here. I bought a 195 the week the GPSIII pilot was introduced. Found
the 195 to be too bulky to be useful (it was in the way no matter how I
mounted it). Returned it, and bought a GPS-III pilot instead. I got the
horizontal mount for the GPS-III and have it velcroed to the glareshield
above the radio stack. It's low profile keeps it from blocking my vision
outside, and it is not in the way of the yoke or of seeing other
instruments. I fly with it on the HSI page most of the time, and on the
moving map for approach.

Dan Luke wrote:

> "Mike Spera" wrote:
> > I can get a newly overhauled (like new condition)
> > 195 with a 1 year warranty for $550. No WAAS,
> > no "panel page", 4 level gray.
>
> I had a GPS III Pilot, then a 195. I liked the little GPS III Pilot
> better. If you're looking for an o'hauled unit, I recommend it over the
> 195.
> --
> Dan
> C172RG at BFM
> (remove pants to reply by email)

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[john smith]

Dennis O'Connor wrote:
> Other than using the 196 "gyro panel" to shoot an informal approach a couple
> of times, I don't use it for real flying... I have no interest in paying
> for the street map... I haven't used the W&B feature other than to try it
> once <works> The 196 is a superior instrument, faster, better graphics,
> etc... The one feature I consider indispensable is the voltmeter... I no
> longer have to carry an auto voltmeter that ties up my lighter socket...

The 195 also has the voltmeter feature.

[john smith]

Ray Andraka wrote:
> Same here. I bought a 195 the week the GPSIII pilot was introduced. Found
> the 195 to be too bulky to be useful (it was in the way no matter how I
> mounted it). Returned it, and bought a GPS-III pilot instead. I got the
> horizontal mount for the GPS-III and have it velcroed to the glareshield
> above the radio stack. It's low profile keeps it from blocking my vision
> outside, and it is not in the way of the yoke or of seeing other
> instruments. I fly with it on the HSI page most of the time, and on the
> moving map for approach.

The 195 with the RAM suction cup can be attached to the side of the
windscreen. This puts the display in view while heads up and keeps it
out of the way of other instruments.

[[email protected]]

I also bought a GPS III Pilot, but traded to a used 195 because I wanted
a bigger screen. I like the bigger screen, but the page updates are
incredibly slow---the unit seems to go to sleep for up to 5 or 6 seconds
at a time going from one area to another. I have the latest software.

I played with a 196 once and it is a huge difference, the screen updates
were like lightning by comparison. The 195 drives me nuts but I haven't
been able to justify upgrading (see prior whiny thread about going to a
Lowrance 500 or tablet PC or whatnot)---at this point I'm saving for a
panel mount instead.

[Dennis O'Connor]

ummm, you are a better pilot than me... I have problems with knife edge
flight..

"Rosspilot" > wrote in message
...
> >The 196 is not horizontal, it is vertical like the 195...
>
> Mine is horizontal . . . see
>
> http://skyviewpictures.com/html/lee_plane-control.html
>
>
>
>
> www.Rosspilot.com
>
>

[Rosspilot]

>ummm, you are a better pilot than me... I have problems with knife edge
>flight..

?????????

unfamiliar with that term . . . please clarify.
www.Rosspilot.com

[john smith]

wrote:
> I also bought a GPS III Pilot, but traded to a used 195 because I wanted
> a bigger screen. I like the bigger screen, but the page updates are
> incredibly slow---the unit seems to go to sleep for up to 5 or 6 seconds
> at a time going from one area to another. I have the latest software.
>
> I played with a 196 once and it is a huge difference, the screen updates
> were like lightning by comparison. The 195 drives me nuts but I haven't
> been able to justify upgrading (see prior whiny thread about going to a
> Lowrance 500 or tablet PC or whatnot)---at this point I'm saving for a
> panel mount instead.

What are you flying that you feel the screen updates are slow?
I fly everything from a 65 hp Champ to 300 hp V35B with my 195 and do
not feel the screen updates are slow.
The only thing the GPS provides is courseline guidance and groundspeed.

[Dale]

In article >,
Mike Spera > wrote:

> I can get a newly overhauled (like new condition) 195 with a 1 year
> warranty for $550. No WAAS, no "panel page", 4 level gray.
>
> Or I can spring the $875 for a new 196. WAAS, 12 level gray, W&B
> capabilities, plus lots of other features. I could really use the street
> map feature in the car but they soak you ANOTHER $250 for that. When I
> think that all us taxpayers paid for all the street AND air data that
> these GPS manufacturers get for FREE, it is a little annoying to pay
> 300% more for these devices than they should cost. Oh well, whining
> feature OFF.

The 195 is also capable of doing W&B calculations, as well as trip
planning, routes, etc.

BTW, I have a 195 and love it. <G>

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[Newps]

john smith wrote:
> Dennis O'Connor wrote:
>
>> Other than using the 196 "gyro panel" to shoot an informal approach a
>> couple
>> of times, I don't use it for real flying... I have no interest in paying
>> for the street map... I haven't used the W&B feature other than to try it
>> once <works> The 196 is a superior instrument, faster, better graphics,
>> etc... The one feature I consider indispensable is the voltmeter... I no
>> longer have to carry an auto voltmeter that ties up my lighter socket...
>
>
> The 195 also has the voltmeter feature.

And so does the GPS III.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Rosspilot wrote:
>
> unfamiliar with that term . . . please clarify.

Flying in a constant 90 degree bank.

George Patterson
A diplomat is a person who can tell you to go to hell in such a way that
you look forward to the trip.

[Aaron Coolidge]

Newps > wrote:
<much info about voltmeter snipped>
: And so does the GPS III.

Where is this feature located in the 195 and III pilot? I have looked for
it on my 295 with no luck, perhaps I can find it with all of your assistance.
PS: I presume you mean the AIRCRAFT's DC voltage, not the battery voltage...
--
Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)

[Ray Andraka]

That was one of the things I considered before returning the 195. Anywhere on
the glareshield or on the side pillars blocked too much of the outside. There is
that pesky see-and-avoid thing. The GPS III with a horizontal mount is low
enough that it only blocks the view of the top of the cowl in my Cherokee Six.
That larger screen and approaches in the 195 were nice, but to me, the fact that
it was so big meant that no matter where I put it, it blocked seeing something be
it other instruments, or outside the cockpit.

john smith wrote:

> Ray Andraka wrote:
> > Same here. I bought a 195 the week the GPSIII pilot was introduced. Found
> > the 195 to be too bulky to be useful (it was in the way no matter how I
> > mounted it). Returned it, and bought a GPS-III pilot instead. I got the
> > horizontal mount for the GPS-III and have it velcroed to the glareshield
> > above the radio stack. It's low profile keeps it from blocking my vision
> > outside, and it is not in the way of the yoke or of seeing other
> > instruments. I fly with it on the HSI page most of the time, and on the
> > moving map for approach.
>
> The 195 with the RAM suction cup can be attached to the side of the
> windscreen. This puts the display in view while heads up and keeps it
> out of the way of other instruments.

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[john smith]

Aaron Coolidge wrote:
> Where is this feature located in the 195 and III pilot? I have looked for
> it on my 295 with no luck, perhaps I can find it with all of your assistance.
> PS: I presume you mean the AIRCRAFT's DC voltage, not the battery voltage...

Garmin GPS 195
Go to the HEADING page (between the ACQUIRING SATELLITES and the MAP page)
Press the MENU button
Scroll down to CHANGE DATA FIELDS
Press EDIT/ENTER
Use the curser control to select a field to change
Press EDIT
Scroll to VDC (Volts DC)
Press EDIT/ENTER
Press QUIT

[john smith]

> john smith wrote:
>>The 195 with the RAM suction cup can be attached to the side of the
>>windscreen. This puts the display in view while heads up and keeps it
>>out of the way of other instruments.

Ray Andraka wrote:
> That was one of the things I considered before returning the 195. Anywhere on
> the glareshield or on the side pillars blocked too much of the outside. There is
> that pesky see-and-avoid thing. The GPS III with a horizontal mount is low
> enough that it only blocks the view of the top of the cowl in my Cherokee Six.
> That larger screen and approaches in the 195 were nice, but to me, the fact that
> it was so big meant that no matter where I put it, it blocked seeing something be
> it other instruments, or outside the cockpit.

True, the RAM mount attached to the side of the windscreen works best
for high-wing aircraft (Cessnas, Champ). When I fly a low-wing Piper
(Archer III, Arrow IV, Cherokee Six), I use the stock yoke mount.

[Newps]

On the III it is on the position page. Those six boxes on the top 3/4
of the page are user configurable. For example you can display totally
useless info like the sunset and sunrise times, trip odometer, etc.



Coolidge wrote:

> Newps > wrote:
> <much info about voltmeter snipped>
> : And so does the GPS III.
>
> Where is this feature located in the 195 and III pilot? I have looked for
> it on my 295 with no luck, perhaps I can find it with all of your assistance.
> PS: I presume you mean the AIRCRAFT's DC voltage, not the battery voltage...

[Aaron Coolidge]

Newps > wrote:
: On the III it is on the position page. Those six boxes on the top 3/4
: of the page are user configurable. For example you can display totally
: useless info like the sunset and sunrise times, trip odometer, etc.

Hmm, isn't that interesting. The 295 has no such option as VDC. It has
all of the useless options, though. Thanks for checking, both of you!

--
Aaron Coolidge (N9376J)

[One's Too Many]

Like others here have suggested, if all you need is a trusty VFR GPS
that won't weigh down your yoke with an unwieldy oversized contraption
hanging on it, get the smaller, cheaper GPS-III Pilot. I got mine new,
not refurb, from www.avionicsgps.com for only $450 and it does
everything I need a GPS to do for me. Spend the extra money on a $100
hamburger instead.

[Dennis O'Connor]

No DC voltage readout on the 195... I didn't bother answer whoever said
there was because it was obvious he was guessing, where I was giving real
world data from the 195/196 units actually in my airplane when I fly...

And yes, that's ships DC I'm discussing, not the 195's batteries...
I know nuttin about a III Pilot...
denny

"Newps" > wrote in message > > Where is this feature
located in the 195 and III pilot?

[Dennis O'Connor]

ummm, oh snot! I shot myself in the foot... My bad...
I just posted that I compared the 195/196 and the 195 doesn't have dc
volts... As soon as I read your post, I smucked my forehead with the heel
of my hand - of course it does! It's been so long since I changed any of
the data fields on the 195 I totally forgot about it being an option in that
screen...<well, it does ride over on on the co-pilots yoke, after all>
denny
well, I gotta have some excuse, it can't be my fault!

"john smith" > wrote in message > Go to the HEADING page

[Newps]

Dennis O'Connor wrote:


> "Newps" > wrote in message > > Where is this feature
> located in the 195 and III pilot?


Newps wrote no such thing.

[John Galban]

"Dennis O'Connor" > wrote in message >...
> No DC voltage readout on the 195... I didn't bother answer whoever said
> there was because it was obvious he was guessing, where I was giving real
> world data from the 195/196 units actually in my airplane when I fly...
>

Well, I wasn't the one who originally posted about the DC voltage
readout, but I will verify that there is one. If you have the 195
plugged into the cigarette lighter, it will give you the DC voltage
reading. I've found it to be a very handy feature. I don't have the
unit in front of me, but it's on the "position page". Each of those
fields is programmable and one of the choices is DC voltage. This is
all in the manual.

Denny, you must live in a different real world than I do. Or maybe
you were obviously just guessing. :-)

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[John Galban]

Mike Spera > wrote in message >...
> I can get a newly overhauled (like new condition) 195 with a 1 year
> warranty for $550. No WAAS, no "panel page", 4 level gray.
>

I've had a 195 for about 5 years and I think it's great. A lot of
people complain that it's too bulky, but it fits just fine on my
Cherokee yoke. I guess it depends on your cockpit layout.

The only qualms I'd have about buying a 195 is that they're listed
as "discontinued" by Garmin. It's anybody's guess how long they will
continue to support it with database updates.

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Kevin Black]

I'd second Dan's comments. I returned a 195 in exchange for the III Pilot.
IMHO the 195 is cludgy and has antiquated connections. The III Pilot is
horizontal or vertical, you choose, fits nicely in the yoke or in top of the
glare shield and is as functional (if not moreso than the 195). I was
initially skeptical about the screen size, but, even with my aging eyes, thi
isn't an issue - plenty big enough. For the price, it's a great little
unit. Save some extra bucks and get the III Plus - non-aviation - and
upload your waypoints. You miss out on the Jepp DB and the airspace etc,
but most of the NDBs VORs etc you can upload.

FWIW,
Kevin
"Dan Luke" > wrote in message
...
> "Mike Spera" wrote:
> > I can get a newly overhauled (like new condition)
> > 195 with a 1 year warranty for $550. No WAAS,
> > no "panel page", 4 level gray.
>
>
> I had a GPS III Pilot, then a 195. I liked the little GPS III Pilot
> better. If you're looking for an o'hauled unit, I recommend it over the
> 195.
> --
> Dan
> C172RG at BFM
> (remove pants to reply by email)
>
>