Re: GPSMAP 195/196 vs. Lowrance AIPMAP 1000

[John Clonts]

Hello Mike,

FYI I the later Garmins (I believe that includes the 196) will record flight
tracks with Altitude, the Lowrance 500 and 1000 will not.

I find the 3D track very useful for:

1) Aesthetic dimension for plots of our flights to give to friends that
we've given rides to. E.g. if you use http://www.gpsvisualizer.com it will
color-code the track according to your altitude.

2) Instrument training. Plotting your track directly onto the approach
plate. How well was I holding altitude or glidepath?
E.g.
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/cramapple/detail?.dir=/ffe8&.dnm=a4c5.jpg

3) Evaluating engine/airplane performance. Leisurely after-the-fact
evaluation of climb-rate. Also, when did the wheels leave the runway on
those short-field takeoffs? Where was I when I cleared that 50' obstacle?
And how does that compare to book? This has become more important to me
since I fly with a CS prop, I've had a bit of engine trouble lately, and I
occasionally fly out of a 2600' grass strip in the Texas Hill Country
(that's NOT the place I want to find out that my engine is not putting out
max hp!)
E.g.
http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/cramapple/detail?.dir=/ffe8&.dnm=1d24.jpg


Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

[JJS]

Please excuse me for cross posting. There are two separate
discussions going on about the Lowrance Airmap 1000.
Mike,
I just bought an Airmap 1000. I placed a pirep over on rec.
aviation.piloting last night. I've never flown with a 195 or 196. It
sounds like they are very nice, but cost more than I wanted to pay. I
used to have an Airmap 100 and liked it for the intuitive interface.
I'm a vfr pilot and use the Lowrance obstruction database often. As
of yet I haven't used the AM 1000 unit to it's full capabilities and
still have much to learn. It is very easy to use but is much more
configurable than the 100. It came with a MapCreate CD set to add
even more detail to the charts. It has a full phone book and poi,
(places of interest) search feature. It came with a suction cup RAM
mount and a RAM yoke mount. I never have had much luck with the
suction cup mounts and the yoke mount would've worked but I actually
used the old Airmap 100 yoke mount because it positioned the unit
further away from me when the yoke was pulled fully back. It was also
at a better angle and didn't interfere with anything on the panel.
Battery life is said to be about 12 hours at the normal settings.
There are battery saver settings that can extend that time but
decrease position accuracy and update frequency. If you have found
the 1000 for $625, then that is a good buy. I paid $725. I probably
should have waited until Sun and Fun to see if prices dropped more but
I'm so spoiled by my old unit that I consider a backup gps a potential
safety of flight issue. Unfortunately, I was going to load the Map
Create software on my computer and play with it today but I found that
the CD set they shipped me has two of the same East coast CD so I'll
have to check their customer service to see if they'll make it right.
Jay Honeck says he's disappointed in the Lowrance support because they
dropped the 300. I never had to use their support until now, so we'll
see what happens. Lowrance has a downloadable AM 1000 simulator on
their website. Garmin may have one as well if you'd like to fly
before you buy. To me it boils down to how much do you have to spend
and what features are most important to you.

Joe Schneider
Cherokee 8437R

"Mike Spera" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks for everyone's replies on the 195 vs. 196 question.
>
> Went in to look over a Garmin 196 and also looked at the Lowrance
unit.
> I found that every advertisement for the 196 showed every page
EXCEPT a
> map. Curious, I thought. When I called up the map page on the 196, I
> found it to be difficult to read. Played around with the contrast
and
> such, but it still never looked quite "right". Maybe it was because
I
> was inside a store that had pretty dim lighting. I probably should
have
> spent more time with various decluttering options.
>
> Anyway, I set it down and started up the Lowrance unit and was
surprised
> that it was MUCH easier to read. Even with the same level of detail
(aka
> "clutter"), the Lowrance was easier to read. Well, it IS a bigger
screen.
>
> I then played around with the various menus, pages, features etc. on
> both units without cracking open either manual. I figure that any
piece
> of computer equipment that requires you to read the manual to get at
its
> basic functions is not worth my investment. Curiously, again, the
> Lowrance unit was a bit easier to navigate. Remember, I am currently
> using a 10 year old unit. For better or worse, the Lowrance unit
seems
> more aligned with my old Apollo. There is a higher similarity of the
> actual buttons and what they accomplish.
>
> But, the Lowrance will not do the "turn by turn" street navigation
that
> the Garmin will do (once you pay the stiff additional $250 for the
> "kit"). But, the Lowrance appeared to go down to the street level
for
> many cities right out of the box, the Garmin does not do this
without
> the "kit". So, I could use the Lowrance to find my way around on the
> ground, but it will not do the turn by turn navigation. I would have
to
> pan around the map and make up a plan. Am I correct on this?
>
> I really want to buy a quality unit because I will probably keep it
for
> a LOOOOOOONG time. I also don't want to cheap out and buy a "second
> string" unit. The Lowrance unit can be had for about $625, the
Garmin is
> $875 without the additional street kit. In aviation, I have learned
that
> less expensive is usually not a better value. I know that Garmin has
a
> rock solid reputation for quality units and support. Can the same be
> said of Lowrance? I lost GPS lock on my old Apollo about 3 times in
the
> last 7 years, and this was only for about 10-15 seconds. I use the
> external antenna tossed up on the top of the glareshield
(unsecured).
> How will the Garmin and Lowrance units do under similar usage?
>
> The Garmin mount looked much better than the Lowrance. Also, the
Garmin
> unit snaps in and out of the mount, the Lowrance causes you to back
off
> the screws, or back off the main socket extension to get it out. I
never
> leave the unit in the plane when it is tied down over night.
>
> Even though I have my doubts, and the Lowrance has some limitations,
AND
> it is less expensive (not necessarily a "good" thing), I still LIKE
the
> Lowrance.
>
> Anyone ever use both of these units and can compare them?
>
> Thanks again,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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[Jay Honeck]

> Jay Honeck says he's disappointed in the Lowrance support because they
> dropped the 300.

A bit more precisely, I'm disappointed because they dropped their *support*
of the Airmap 300, after just 48 months.

When the airport database in my 300 decided to no longer function, Lowrance
informed me that they could not fix the problem.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Thomas Borchert]

Jay,

Hmm. Their website at http://www.lei-extras.com/store/search.asp shows
current aviation database updates for the Airmap 300 available for 75 $
(single update, subscription is 61 $). Not sure what the problem is.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[hlongworth]

Mike Spera > wrote in message >...
> So, I have ordered the Airmap 1000. Takes about a week to get them
> because the factory cannot make them fast enough.
Mike,
After much research, I decided to go with Lowrance Airmap 1000. The
cheapest price I could find was $672 (avionicswest). Where did you
find the $625 price? Thanks.

[Russell Kent]

Mike Spera wrote:

> Given that I don't know how Lowrance units hold up, I will spring for the 1 year additional
> warranty. Personally, I think the public should demand a better warranty. 2 years minimum.

Length of warranty has a direct impact on the cost of the product. As an example, see Johnson
Outboard Motor's recent sales deal where the buyer gets to choose between cash back or longer
warranty.

Lowrance has presumably made the marketing decision that it is more profitable to sell units
cheaper with a shorter warranty than to sell them more expensively with a longer warranty. I'm
in no position to second guess that decision, and I'd speculate that you aren't either. But you
have communicated (to Lowrance) that reliability is important to you by buying the extended
warranty.

Russell Kent

[Mike Z.]

Actually I seem to get better service from Garmin by email than by phone. (wanna see my shocked look?)

Mike Z

"Mike Spera" > wrote in message ...
> Well, 48 months is VERY short for support of an aviation GPS. I guess
> the GPS manufacturers are learning from the PC industry. Whenever you
> want more cash out of your customers, just stop support. Oh well.
>
> The trusty old Apollo 920+ was born about 1994. I bought an update to
> the software in 2000 for about $120. They may have been owned by UPSAT
> then, cannot remember. Since then, Garmin bought UPSAT and the old
> Apollo units are NOWHERE to be found on their website. Does not look
> like I will be getting any more updates. Too bad. This unit has never
> failed me and still works well. Simple map measures almost 4 inches
> diagonally, but it is so low res you usually only want to view airports
> on it. I e-mailed Garmin to ask if they had ANY updates they would sell.
> No response yet.
>
> Is it just me, or do ALL companies ignore any support inquiries sent to
> them via e-mail????
>
> It would probably be pretty easy to reverse engineer the database and
> use current data to make an update. I would pay up to $150. Anyone game?
>
> So, I have ordered the Airmap 1000. Takes about a week to get them
> because the factory cannot make them fast enough. I have 14 days to
> decide if I will keep it. Given that I don't know how Lowrance units
> hold up, I will spring for the 1 year additional warranty. Personally, I
> think the public should demand a better warranty. 2 years minimum.
>
> I can still back out if anyone has a compelling reason to pass on this unit.
>
> Thanks for all the responses.
> Mike
>
> Jay Honeck wrote:
> >>Jay Honeck says he's disappointed in the Lowrance support because they
> >>dropped the 300.
> >
> >
> > A bit more precisely, I'm disappointed because they dropped their *support*
> > of the Airmap 300, after just 48 months.
> >
> > When the airport database in my 300 decided to no longer function, Lowrance
> > informed me that they could not fix the problem.
>
>
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[Jay Honeck]

> Hmm. Their website at http://www.lei-extras.com/store/search.asp shows
> current aviation database updates for the Airmap 300 available for 75 $
> (single update, subscription is 61 $). Not sure what the problem is.

My 300 will no longer recognize that -- or any other -- database.

Without even looking at it, Lowrance diagnosed it as a "chip" problem. It's
apparently a very common problem with the 300.

They told me they can no longer obtain that particular chip. Thus, the 300
is orphaned.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[ArtP]

On Tue, 09 Mar 2004 19:57:10 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:


>They told me they can no longer obtain that particular chip. Thus, the 300
>is orphaned.

I have the 100. I found that the restore function was failing (it kept
dropping routes). I finally figured it happened when ever certain
VOR's were in the route. I reported it to Lowrance and got a reply
that they confirmed the problem and would look into it. A couple of
weeks later they sent me an email saying that aviation was not a big
enough part of their revenue to make fixing it worthwhile. I am still
using my Airmap 100, but my next GPS will not come from Lowrance.

[TripFarmer]

Mike,

The older I get the more appealing a large screen is......... :o)


Trip


In article >, says...
>
>Well, 48 months is VERY short for support of an aviation GPS. I guess
>the GPS manufacturers are learning from the PC industry. Whenever you
>want more cash out of your customers, just stop support. Oh well.
>
>The trusty old Apollo 920+ was born about 1994. I bought an update to
>the software in 2000 for about $120. They may have been owned by UPSAT
>then, cannot remember. Since then, Garmin bought UPSAT and the old
>Apollo units are NOWHERE to be found on their website. Does not look
>like I will be getting any more updates. Too bad. This unit has never
>failed me and still works well. Simple map measures almost 4 inches
>diagonally, but it is so low res you usually only want to view airports
>on it. I e-mailed Garmin to ask if they had ANY updates they would sell.
>No response yet.
>
>Is it just me, or do ALL companies ignore any support inquiries sent to
>them via e-mail????
>
>It would probably be pretty easy to reverse engineer the database and
>use current data to make an update. I would pay up to $150. Anyone game?
>
>So, I have ordered the Airmap 1000. Takes about a week to get them
>because the factory cannot make them fast enough. I have 14 days to
>decide if I will keep it. Given that I don't know how Lowrance units
>hold up, I will spring for the 1 year additional warranty. Personally, I
>think the public should demand a better warranty. 2 years minimum.
>
>I can still back out if anyone has a compelling reason to pass on this unit.
>
>Thanks for all the responses.
>Mike
>
>Jay Honeck wrote:
>>>Jay Honeck says he's disappointed in the Lowrance support because they
>>>dropped the 300.
>>
>>
>> A bit more precisely, I'm disappointed because they dropped their *support*
>> of the Airmap 300, after just 48 months.
>>
>> When the airport database in my 300 decided to no longer function, Lowrance
>> informed me that they could not fix the problem.
>
>
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[Mike Spera]

I did make the leap and purchased the Airmap 1000. Had to wait one day
for the next batch to get in stock. It was $675, not $625 as I had
previously reported. Database updates are currently priced at $35, but
you currently have to trade in your old SD Card for a replacement. They
report that in about 3 weeks, they will be offering the database updates
via download. Extended 1 year warrant was only $29. A bargain I thought.

The big screen does allow for a lot of data to be displayed. I still
find myself turning all but the aviation stuff "off". Don't really need
the clutter of city names and interstates/roads. Although most new units
allow for this control, I REALLY like the fact that the screen backlight
can be dimmed WAY down. The old Apollo was too bright on its lowest
(of TWO) settings.

A feature(?) I was not aware of: as you approach a multi-runway airport
and zoom in, not only do you get the runway layout with numbers, but the
runway you are closest to aligning with "blinks" by bolding. Weird.

The "split screen" was cool. One side has the map, the other has the
destination (multi-runway) airport zoomed in so you can see the runways,
numbers, and your current approach path. Although I was blessed with the
ability to see this in my head, it confuses the heck out of my wife. So,
she will REALLY appreciate this feature.

Not sure if I will use the funky RAM yoke mount that came with it. I
have a brand new spare Quick Clamp that was used for the old Apollo
unit. It is simply a yoke clamp, large adjusting Y bolt, and angled
aluminum bracket with 2 Velcro strips on the face. You put the matching
Velcro strips on the back of your GPS and stick the thing on. Never once
came loose and was easy to take off/put on.

Well, on to the airport to give it a test.

Thanks for all replies,
Mike


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