Alternative to the Boom Beam?

[Jay Honeck]

Is there one?

I would like a brighter landing light -- but I ain't paying $800 for it!
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Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> Is there one?

> I would like a brighter landing light -- but I ain't paying $800 for it!


Replace the standard GE 4509 with a Q4509 (Quarts Halogen). They're
usually about $25, instead of $10.

--- Jay



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[Mike Rapoport]

You could install the Xevision system under a 337.
http://www.xevision.com/

Mike
MU-2


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
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> Is there one?
>
> I would like a brighter landing light -- but I ain't paying $800 for it!
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> You could install the Xevision system under a 337.
> http://www.xevision.com/

There stuff looks great, but any idea on prices? The website only says
"call for pricing"...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Replace the standard GE 4509 with a Q4509 (Quarts Halogen). They're
> usually about $25, instead of $10.

I haven't run anything but Q4509s since '98.

They're better, and last longer -- but they still suck.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Masino wrote:
>
> Replace the standard GE 4509 with a Q4509 (Quarts Halogen).

If you do this, be aware that the beam will reach further, but it will not be
as wide. Some people have problems with this. I put the halogen in my Maule and
don't like them much at all. They're great on short final, but don't illuminate
anything useful much once the tail's down.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

[Mike Rapoport]

$500 to $550.

Mike
MU-2

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
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> > You could install the Xevision system under a 337.
> > http://www.xevision.com/
>
> There stuff looks great, but any idea on prices? The website only says
> "call for pricing"...
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> Replace the standard GE 4509 with a Q4509 (Quarts Halogen). They're
>> usually about $25, instead of $10.
> I haven't run anything but Q4509s since '98.
> They're better, and last longer -- but they still suck.

I guess you could always install some of those landing lights that mount
in the leading edges of the wings. It's a shame that 235's can't use the
ones that mount in the wingtips. I'm sure someone must make a kit for the
Cherokees.

--- Jay


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[MC]

Mike Rapoport wrote:
>
> $500 to $550.
>
> Mike
> MU-2
>
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> news:U1l6c.36257$po.319720@attbi_s52...
> > > You could install the Xevision system under a 337.
> > > http://www.xevision.com/
> >
> > There stuff looks great, but any idea on prices? The website only says
> > "call for pricing"...

Don't forget to measure the cable-run distance from where you can
install the ballast to where the light will be. If you don't tell
them that length you'll get a too-short cable.

[Javier Henderson]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> Is there one?
>
> I would like a brighter landing light -- but I ain't paying $800 for it!

Yep, the RMD HID kit, half the price, STC'd for your Cherokee.

http://www.rmdaircraft.com/

Bob DeBorde (RMD) had the patience of a german elf answering all of
my questions before I finally bought the kits for my Skylane.

They work great, and they are super bright. Very pleased with the product
and the service.

-jav

[Javier Henderson]

"Mike Rapoport" > writes:

> $500 to $550.

The RMD HID kit is cheaper, and STC'd for Jay's Cherokee.

I installed the kits in my Skylane, with an easy field approval using
that STC as the basis.

-jav

[Jay Masino]

Javier Henderson > wrote:
>> I would like a brighter landing light -- but I ain't paying $800 for it!
> Yep, the RMD HID kit, half the price, STC'd for your Cherokee.
> http://www.rmdaircraft.com/
> Bob DeBorde (RMD) had the patience of a german elf answering all of
> my questions before I finally bought the kits for my Skylane.
> They work great, and they are super bright. Very pleased with the product
> and the service.

It's not STC'ed for a 235, because of the tip tanks.


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[Jay Honeck]

> It's not STC'ed for a 235, because of the tip tanks.

Damn.

Oh well -- I'll take those extra 34 gallons of gas over a landing light, any
day!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Michelle P]

George; Jay,
Try two one in each wing.
I have a Q4509 in the right wing aimed slightly down so it lights the
runway when on final and a 4509 in the left wing for taxiing. It is
aimed ahead with the tail down. Works great!
Michelle

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

>Jay Masino wrote:
>
>
>>Replace the standard GE 4509 with a Q4509 (Quarts Halogen).
>>
>>
>
>If you do this, be aware that the beam will reach further, but it will not be
>as wide. Some people have problems with this. I put the halogen in my Maule and
>don't like them much at all. They're great on short final, but don't illuminate
>anything useful much once the tail's down.
>
>George Patterson
> Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
> not yield to the tongue.
>
>

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Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P

"Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike)

Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic

Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity

[Michelle P]

Javier,
I have installed these on a clients Arrow.
Nice kit. It took about 8 hours total to install the wiring and drill
the new tip caps to fit the existing holes in the wings.
Michelle

Javier Henderson wrote:

>"Jay Honeck" > writes:
>
>
>
>>Is there one?
>>
>>I would like a brighter landing light -- but I ain't paying $800 for it!
>>
>>
>
>Yep, the RMD HID kit, half the price, STC'd for your Cherokee.
>
>http://www.rmdaircraft.com/
>
>Bob DeBorde (RMD) had the patience of a german elf answering all of
>my questions before I finally bought the kits for my Skylane.
>
>They work great, and they are super bright. Very pleased with the product
>and the service.
>
>-jav
>
>

--

Michelle P ATP-ASEL, CP-AMEL, and AMT-A&P

"Elisabeth" a Maule M-7-235B (no two are alike)

Volunteer Pilot, Angel Flight Mid-Atlantic

Volunteer Builder, Habitat for Humanity

[G.R. Patterson III]

Michelle P wrote:
>
> I have a Q4509 in the right wing aimed slightly down so it lights the
> runway when on final and a 4509 in the left wing for taxiing. It is
> aimed ahead with the tail down. Works great!

I think that mine are not aimed differently, but I could be wrong. Mine seem to
have aluminum mirrors over the lights to reflect light on the ground while taxiing.
I had a halogen in one side and normal bulb in the other, but made the mistake of
putting in another halogen when the plain one burned out.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

[Ray Andraka]

The skytec lights can be used on a 235 or Six with the fiberglass tip tanks.
They get installed in the leading edge of the wing, inboard of the tip. I
have them on my PA-32. They cost me a tad over $1K to install in 1997.

Jay Masino wrote:

> Jay Honeck > wrote:
> >> Replace the standard GE 4509 with a Q4509 (Quarts Halogen). They're
> >> usually about $25, instead of $10.
> > I haven't run anything but Q4509s since '98.
> > They're better, and last longer -- but they still suck.
>
> I guess you could always install some of those landing lights that mount
> in the leading edges of the wings. It's a shame that 235's can't use the
> ones that mount in the wingtips. I'm sure someone must make a kit for the
> Cherokees.
>
> --- Jay
>
> --
>
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President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Jay Honeck]

> The skytec lights can be used on a 235 or Six with the fiberglass tip
tanks.
> They get installed in the leading edge of the wing, inboard of the tip. I
> have them on my PA-32. They cost me a tad over $1K to install in 1997.

Any trouble with leakage into the wing structure?

I've got a friend with a Bellanca, which has a similar leading edge landing
light. Water infiltration through the landing light structure is a
potentially major problem area with the Bellanca's wooden wing.

I would suspect the bulbs last considerably longer, so far from the source
of vibration -- true?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dennis O'Connor]

I changed two landing light bulbs in the 9 years I had my Super Viking...
Never had water infiltration... I simply used a thin bead of non hardening
marine caulk around the perimeter of the plexiglass...
denny

"Jay Honeck" > wrote >
> I would suspect the bulbs last considerably longer, so far from the source
> of vibration -- true?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Ray Andraka]

I haven't had any problems with leaks around the lights. I get much more water
in around the gas tanks and in the lap joint in wing skins than I do around the
lights. I've only replaced one bulb in the wings in 700+ hours since
installing them. I have the skytec version of the pulse light on them, which is
turned on for every flight. In the same amount of time, I've gone through a
half dozen nose light lamps, and that one is only on during approach at night.

Jay Honeck wrote:

> > The skytec lights can be used on a 235 or Six with the fiberglass tip
> tanks.
> > They get installed in the leading edge of the wing, inboard of the tip. I
> > have them on my PA-32. They cost me a tad over $1K to install in 1997.
>
> Any trouble with leakage into the wing structure?
>
> I've got a friend with a Bellanca, which has a similar leading edge landing
> light. Water infiltration through the landing light structure is a
> potentially major problem area with the Bellanca's wooden wing.
>
> I would suspect the bulbs last considerably longer, so far from the source
> of vibration -- true?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Javier Henderson]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> > It's not STC'ed for a 235, because of the tip tanks.
>
> Damn.
>
> Oh well -- I'll take those extra 34 gallons of gas over a landing light, any
> day!

So talk to your mechanic about a field approval. It worked for me.

I wonder when My Mechanic is gonna pipe up on this thread :)

-jav

[Aviv Hod]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
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> Is there one?
>
> I would like a brighter landing light -- but I ain't paying $800 for it!
> --

Jay,
I thought you don't fly at night. Anything change?

-Aviv

[Jay Masino]

Javier Henderson > wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > writes:
>> Oh well -- I'll take those extra 34 gallons of gas over a landing light, any
>> day!

> So talk to your mechanic about a field approval. It worked for me.
> I wonder when My Mechanic is gonna pipe up on this thread :)

You can't. These particular ones are mounted in the fiberglass wingtips.
The wingtips on 235s are fuel tanks.



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[Javier Henderson]

(Jay Masino) writes:

> Javier Henderson > wrote:
> > "Jay Honeck" > writes:
> >> Oh well -- I'll take those extra 34 gallons of gas over a landing light, any
> >> day!
>
> > So talk to your mechanic about a field approval. It worked for me.
> > I wonder when My Mechanic is gonna pipe up on this thread :)
>
> You can't. These particular ones are mounted in the fiberglass wingtips.
> The wingtips on 235s are fuel tanks.

Fine. Replace the cowl mounted light(s) with the HID lights. They
are the same form factor (PA36). This is what I did on my Skylane,
with a field approval, mounted the RMD HID lights in place of the
factory ones on the cowl.

-jav

[Jay Honeck]

> I haven't had any problems with leaks around the lights. I get much more
water
> in around the gas tanks and in the lap joint in wing skins than I do
around the
> lights. I've only replaced one bulb in the wings in 700+ hours since
> installing them. I have the skytec version of the pulse light on them,
which is
> turned on for every flight. In the same amount of time, I've gone through
a
> half dozen nose light lamps, and that one is only on during approach at
night.

Wow -- now that is a ringing endorsement.

Hell, at the cost of bulbs, you'll pay back a goodly portion of the
installation costs in a matter of years.

Thanks, Ray.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I thought you don't fly at night. Anything change?

Not really. I don't fly at night as a common practice, but we sure seem to
make a lot of dusk arrivals.

And, occasionally, we get stuck in a situation where we simply must fly at
night.

I also like the idea of being able to leave the Boom Beam on continuously,
day or night, simply for recognition.

How 'bout you? How's the flying in the "Land 'o TFRs"?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Aviv Hod]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
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> > I thought you don't fly at night. Anything change?
>
> Not really. I don't fly at night as a common practice, but we sure seem
to
> make a lot of dusk arrivals.
>
> And, occasionally, we get stuck in a situation where we simply must fly at
> night.
>
> I also like the idea of being able to leave the Boom Beam on continuously,
> day or night, simply for recognition.
>
> How 'bout you? How's the flying in the "Land 'o TFRs"?
> --

Actually Jay, there are no TFR's anywhere near here. As far as I can tell,
the nearest restrictions are in the DC area, ~300nm away. By comparison,
the closest TFR to IOW is in western Indiana, ~210 miles away.

Anyway, after an agonizing hiatus from flying since October, this past month
I've been fairly active - starting with the skydiving experience in Monterey
four weeks ago (www.avivhod.com/gallery/Skydiving), then gettting checked
out in one of East Coast Aero Club's (www.ecas.com) warriors two weeks ago
at KBED. I then flew with some friends two days after getting checked out -
a short jaunt around the patch. I thought I'd wait longer than that, but
the sky beckoned... :-)

Then last Sunday the wife and I were invited to fly to Martha's Vineyard
with Jeremy Lew, who I met through r.a.p. It was a great flight - did some
sight seeing around the island to allow Jeremy to fly off the last of the 50
hours PIC to qualify for his instrument ticket, then landed and had a great
brunch at the airport cafe.

Hanscom was refreshingly quiet for the return trip, in contrast to the
handful of other times I've landed there, when the pattern was just bananas.
IMHO it's quite a bit more complicated to operate there than even Manassas
(KHEF), where I got my ticket, mostly because Hanscom doesn't have parallel
runways. I can vouch for the accuracy of Hanscom's label as "the beehive".
But it's 15 minutes away from my house, so it's by far the most convienient
option.

So, I'm back in the saddle again. But I have a feeling that I just won't be
able to fly nearly as often as I got to in Iowa, even though I'm no longer a
student. Those $35/hour Greencastle 150's were just addictive...

On the upside, however, I feel much more confident about the airplanes I fly
over here. Opening the cowl of the ECAC warriors is a pleasure. Everything
is spic and span - clean, tight, and shiny. I can actually flight plan
using book numbers. The interiors are light years ahead of the Greencastle
planes. Of course, the price difference reflects all of this. My
conclusion is that it's not better or worse, just different.

Blue Skies,
-Aviv

[PaulH]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<VXj6c.35980$po.319143@attbi_s52>...
> Is there one?
>
> I would like a brighter landing light -- but I ain't paying $800 for it!

Knots2u has a HID wingtip kit for $500. Since you enjoy the extra 34
gallons so much (I would on my Arrow too if I had the option), why not
just accept the additional cost and get exactly what you want, a cowl
mount? The Boom Beam also offers 3 choices of beam spread.

[Jay Honeck]

> Knots2u has a HID wingtip kit for $500. Since you enjoy the extra 34
> gallons so much (I would on my Arrow too if I had the option), why not
> just accept the additional cost and get exactly what you want, a cowl
> mount? The Boom Beam also offers 3 choices of beam spread.

You buyin'?

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"