Nice Surprize During Pre Flight, And A Few Odd Questions

[MRQB]

The airplane I just bought gave me a nice little surprise went out to do my
pre flight and noticed that my right rudder cable had some slop in it I did
not feel comfortable flying it with the lack of tension on it so the
mechanic is going to look at it tomorrow. Also what holds tension on the
rudder cables? I know the cost of a new cable is only $80.00 + labor. Is
there any source on the net ware I can find out how the cable system works
on a later model Cessna 150M kinda curious and would like to know my
airplane inside and out. Ware do I find me a factory service manual? I want
to learn every thing about this little 150.

[C J Campbell]

"MRQB" > wrote in message
...
> The airplane I just bought gave me a nice little surprise went out to do
my
> pre flight and noticed that my right rudder cable had some slop in it I
did
> not feel comfortable flying it with the lack of tension on it so the
> mechanic is going to look at it tomorrow. Also what holds tension on the
> rudder cables? I know the cost of a new cable is only $80.00 + labor. Is
> there any source on the net ware I can find out how the cable system works
> on a later model Cessna 150M kinda curious and would like to know my
> airplane inside and out. Ware do I find me a factory service manual? I
want
> to learn every thing about this little 150.
>
>

You can get a factory service manual from www.esscoaircraft.com. It will
cost you about $40, but it is well worth it. Every aircraft owner should
keep a copy of the maintenance manual.

Maintenance manuals for newer aircraft are a lot more expensive.

[BTIZ]

was the nosewheel turned to the right from when you parked it? allowing the
right cable to "appear slack"?

just a thought..

BT

"MRQB" > wrote in message
...
> The airplane I just bought gave me a nice little surprise went out to do
my
> pre flight and noticed that my right rudder cable had some slop in it I
did
> not feel comfortable flying it with the lack of tension on it so the
> mechanic is going to look at it tomorrow. Also what holds tension on the
> rudder cables? I know the cost of a new cable is only $80.00 + labor. Is
> there any source on the net ware I can find out how the cable system works
> on a later model Cessna 150M kinda curious and would like to know my
> airplane inside and out. Ware do I find me a factory service manual? I
want
> to learn every thing about this little 150.
>
>

[Dave Katz]

"C J Campbell" > writes:

> Maintenance manuals for newer aircraft are a lot more expensive.

I got a printed manual for free with my SR20, and a CD-ROM version for free
(arguably preferable for my purposes) when I upgraded to an SR22.

[Blanche]

Dave Katz > wrote:
>"C J Campbell" > writes:
>
>> Maintenance manuals for newer aircraft are a lot more expensive.
>
>I got a printed manual for free with my SR20, and a CD-ROM version for free
>(arguably preferable for my purposes) when I upgraded to an SR22.

For the cost of a Cirrus, you *should* get all the books and stuff
for free!!!

[MRQB]

I will go and check that before it goes in to the mechanic but I am still
going to have the cables checked out I may just have both cables replaced
anyway so that I know what is in there cables are scary to me I already have
a screw in my wrist because of a faulty cable on a Motorcycle.


"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:UIu7c.22078$Nj.6936@fed1read01...
> was the nosewheel turned to the right from when you parked it? allowing
the
> right cable to "appear slack"?
>
> just a thought..
>
> BT
>
> "MRQB" > wrote in message
> ...
> > The airplane I just bought gave me a nice little surprise went out to do
> my
> > pre flight and noticed that my right rudder cable had some slop in it I
> did
> > not feel comfortable flying it with the lack of tension on it so the
> > mechanic is going to look at it tomorrow. Also what holds tension on the
> > rudder cables? I know the cost of a new cable is only $80.00 + labor. Is
> > there any source on the net ware I can find out how the cable system
works
> > on a later model Cessna 150M kinda curious and would like to know my
> > airplane inside and out. Ware do I find me a factory service manual? I
> want
> > to learn every thing about this little 150.
> >
> >
>
>

[Dale]

In article >,
"MRQB" > wrote:

> Also what holds tension on the rudder cables?

A spring. Those springs sometimes break. If the spring is broken the
pedal will be "loose"...no resistance. When you move the pedals on the
ground the resistance you feel is from the springs.

Control cables are low cost but the labor is going to be rather high.
It's a lot of work replacing control cables.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[Dale]

In article >,
"MRQB" > wrote:

> I will go and check that before it goes in to the mechanic but I am still
> going to have the cables checked out I may just have both cables replaced
> anyway so that I know what is in there cables are scary to me I already have
> a screw in my wrist because of a faulty cable on a Motorcycle.

Pull the rear bulkhead out behind the baggage area. You'll be able to
see down the fuselage to the tail and can check the rudder and elevator
cables (as well as your ELT). If you decide to crawl back in the
fuselage be sure to support the tail before you do. (The wife will never
do THAT again <G>).

You can also pull the carpets out and remove the inspection panels in
the floor exposing some of the control cables/pulleys/etc. You'll need
a light and a mirror...and the maintenance manual would be a good idea
so you have a "map" of where everything is.

--
Dale L. Falk

There is nothing - absolutely nothing - half so much worth doing
as simply messing around with airplanes.

http://home.gci.net/~sncdfalk/flying.html

[One's Too Many]

"MRQB" > wrote in message >...
> The airplane I just bought gave me a nice little surprise went out to do my
> pre flight and noticed that my right rudder cable had some slop in it I did
> not feel comfortable flying it with the lack of tension on it so the
> mechanic is going to look at it tomorrow. Also what holds tension on the
> rudder cables? I know the cost of a new cable is only $80.00 + labor. Is
> there any source on the net ware I can find out how the cable system works
> on a later model Cessna 150M kinda curious and would like to know my
> airplane inside and out. Ware do I find me a factory service manual? I want
> to learn every thing about this little 150.

Every 150 I ever flew seems to have a lot of "slop" in the rudder
cables when sitting on the ground. It's usually due to the way the
nosewheel steering is spring-linked to the rudder controls, and the
nosewheel not being centered when the plane was parked. Twist the
nosewheel so it's pointing straight ahead and see if your "slop"
disappears. Even our 172 does this, but the phenominon doesn't seem so
pronounced as on the 150.

[MRQB]

Went in to the mechanic this morning it was not any thing major no parts
needed he just took some slack out of the cable's and made sure it was
strait. boy can I feel a difference in the rudder peddles nice and firm no
major slop. Every thing is all bolted, pined and safety wired back together
& working great. We even go the ARC RT-308 radio to come out.



"One's Too Many" > wrote in message
om...
> "MRQB" > wrote in message
>...
> > The airplane I just bought gave me a nice little surprise went out to do
my
> > pre flight and noticed that my right rudder cable had some slop in it I
did
> > not feel comfortable flying it with the lack of tension on it so the
> > mechanic is going to look at it tomorrow. Also what holds tension on the
> > rudder cables? I know the cost of a new cable is only $80.00 + labor. Is
> > there any source on the net ware I can find out how the cable system
works
> > on a later model Cessna 150M kinda curious and would like to know my
> > airplane inside and out. Ware do I find me a factory service manual? I
want
> > to learn every thing about this little 150.
>
> Every 150 I ever flew seems to have a lot of "slop" in the rudder
> cables when sitting on the ground. It's usually due to the way the
> nosewheel steering is spring-linked to the rudder controls, and the
> nosewheel not being centered when the plane was parked. Twist the
> nosewheel so it's pointing straight ahead and see if your "slop"
> disappears. Even our 172 does this, but the phenominon doesn't seem so
> pronounced as on the 150.

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Dale > wrote:
>the floor exposing some of the control cables/pulleys/etc. You'll need
>a light and a mirror...and the maintenance manual would be a good idea
>so you have a "map" of where everything is.

Don't overlook the parts manual, even if you never expect to buy parts.
The exploded drawings are often more detailed than the illustrations in
the service manual.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Dan Thomas]

"MRQB" > wrote in message >...
> Went in to the mechanic this morning it was not any thing major no parts
> needed he just took some slack out of the cable's and made sure it was
> strait. boy can I feel a difference in the rudder peddles nice and firm no
> major slop. Every thing is all bolted, pined and safety wired back together
> & working great. We even go the ARC RT-308 radio to come out.


Let us know how it flies. If the mechanic doesn't follow the
rigging procedure laid out in the maintenance manual, the airplane
might pull to one side or the other. The centering device for the
Cessna 150's (and 172's) rudder system is the nosewheel centering cam.
It forces the nosewheel to a straight-ahead position when the aircraft
is off the ground, and if the rudder cables aren't adjusted with the
nosewheel off the floor the rudder might not be centered in flight.
That centering system is why the nosewheel steering in one of these
airplanes is so springy and imprecise; the steering rods have internal
springs to allow rudder movement when the nosewheel is locked.
Every used Cessna we have bought and put into service has had
misrigged flight controls. Rudder, aileron, elevator, everything.
Maintenance manuals are expensive, so many shops don't have them and
don't seem to know the proper order of adjustment.
And as Dale Falk pointed out, a broken rudder pedal return spring
can leave cables slack. It'll also make the airplane pull to one side.
Check your rudder stops to see if they are the new, large types.
The older ones can get caught behind the rudder stop bolt head and
lock the rudder full over, especially if hinges are worn. In Canada we
had an AD to force installation of the new stops to prevent this after
a 150 crashed and killed an instructor and student. They had been
practicing spins and spin recoveries, and on the last spin the rudder
locked. If you can't stop the spin, you can't get the nose down to
break the stall.

Dan

[MRQB]

That's why I want a maintance manual so when they do things I can verify for
my self that they have been done with the manufactures guidelines was going
to go fly today but we are getting thunder storms and hail.


"Dan Thomas" > wrote in message
om...
> "MRQB" > wrote in message
>...
> > Went in to the mechanic this morning it was not any thing major no parts
> > needed he just took some slack out of the cable's and made sure it was
> > strait. boy can I feel a difference in the rudder peddles nice and firm
no
> > major slop. Every thing is all bolted, pined and safety wired back
together
> > & working great. We even go the ARC RT-308 radio to come out.
>
>
> Let us know how it flies. If the mechanic doesn't follow the
> rigging procedure laid out in the maintenance manual, the airplane
> might pull to one side or the other. The centering device for the
> Cessna 150's (and 172's) rudder system is the nosewheel centering cam.
> It forces the nosewheel to a straight-ahead position when the aircraft
> is off the ground, and if the rudder cables aren't adjusted with the
> nosewheel off the floor the rudder might not be centered in flight.
> That centering system is why the nosewheel steering in one of these
> airplanes is so springy and imprecise; the steering rods have internal
> springs to allow rudder movement when the nosewheel is locked.
> Every used Cessna we have bought and put into service has had
> misrigged flight controls. Rudder, aileron, elevator, everything.
> Maintenance manuals are expensive, so many shops don't have them and
> don't seem to know the proper order of adjustment.
> And as Dale Falk pointed out, a broken rudder pedal return spring
> can leave cables slack. It'll also make the airplane pull to one side.
> Check your rudder stops to see if they are the new, large types.
> The older ones can get caught behind the rudder stop bolt head and
> lock the rudder full over, especially if hinges are worn. In Canada we
> had an AD to force installation of the new stops to prevent this after
> a 150 crashed and killed an instructor and student. They had been
> practicing spins and spin recoveries, and on the last spin the rudder
> locked. If you can't stop the spin, you can't get the nose down to
> break the stall.
>
> Dan