My Trip To The Avionics Shop $$$$$

[MRQB]

Well my bird spent 6 hours at the avionics/instrument shop today getting a
pito static & transponder encoder check now the results :(


Transponder/Encoder Working 100% To 20,000 feet
Altimeter Working 100% Well With in Specs To 14,000 feet did not go higher
then aircraft service ceiling
VSI Working 100%
Static System Pass
Pito System Fail Has Leak In System = Traced To Airspeed Indicator Leak on
Pito Side :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone know of a good place to a rebuild have
done or a decent replacement?
Turn Coordinator Bad = Barings Making Noise :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone know
of a good place to have a rebuild done or a decent replacement?
1 Vor Head OK
1 Vor Head W/ Glide Slope Bad = Localizer Works Great, Vor Is Off 8 Degrees,
Glide Slope don't go to full deflection :( Non serviceable needs replaced.

Other than my first bill in owning was a fun exciting day in the shop they
were very friendly and explained everything that they were doing and answerd
all my questions i really learned how all the insturments work kinda cool if
i decide to replace instrad of rebuild ill have some that i can take apart
and play with.

[Dennis O'Connor]

Never, never, never, rebuild a gyro instrument that your life depends
upon... Always replace with new...

If the GS head is your only one, then it has to be new... If you have a
backup, then overhaul is OK - in your case it is not capable of an OH and
you don't have a backup GS, so moot point...
On the airspeed, I personally would replace it with new, but since a non
functioning airspeed won't kill you, overhaul is an option...

denny

"MRQB" > wrote in message
...

[Ray Andraka]

I disagree. A good overhaul is just as good as brand new, and may even be
better if you have one of the older units. The overhaul gets all the
bearings replaced and is cleaned up. Gyros are pretty simple mechanical
devices. It is just as likely to have a new one fail as it is an overhauled
unit. Why pay for new for the pieces that don't wear?

Dennis O'Connor wrote:

> Never, never, never, rebuild a gyro instrument that your life depends
> upon... Always replace with new...
>
> If the GS head is your only one, then it has to be new... If you have a
> backup, then overhaul is OK - in your case it is not capable of an OH and
> you don't have a backup GS, so moot point...
> On the airspeed, I personally would replace it with new, but since a non
> functioning airspeed won't kill you, overhaul is an option...
>
> denny
>
> "MRQB" > wrote in message
> ...

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Newps]

Dennis O'Connor wrote:
> Never, never, never, rebuild a gyro instrument that your life depends
> upon... Always replace with new...

Drivel.

[Jim Weir]

The Gyro House
Auburn CA

Possibly the most competent and trustworthy instrument overhaul shop in
existence, certainly in Northern California.

Jim



->Pito System Fail Has Leak In System = Traced To Airspeed Indicator Leak on
->Pito Side :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone know of a good place to a rebuild have
->done or a decent replacement?
->Turn Coordinator Bad = Barings Making Noise :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone know
->of a good place to have a rebuild done or a decent replacement?
->



Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[G.R. Patterson III]

MRQB wrote:
>
> Pito System Fail Has Leak In System = Traced To Airspeed Indicator Leak on
> Pito Side :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone know of a good place to a rebuild have
> done or a decent replacement?
> Turn Coordinator Bad = Barings Making Noise :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone know
> of a good place to have a rebuild done or a decent replacement?
> 1 Vor Head W/ Glide Slope Bad = Localizer Works Great, Vor Is Off 8 Degrees,
> Glide Slope don't go to full deflection :( Non serviceable needs replaced.

I recommend Bernie Ducasse for instrument repair in the northeast. 215-673-5050.
Ducasse Instrument Service
Northeast Philadelphia Airport
Philadelphia, PA 19114

Here are a few links to outlets for new stuff.
http://www.avionix.com
http://www.gulf-coast-avionics.com
http://www.chiefaircraft.com
http://www.aircraft-spruce.com
http://store.wagaero.com

Wentworth Salvage is a good source for used parts. Also check the front section
of Trade-A-Plane. You might pick up a good deal on a used GS indicator there.
I avoid Century rebuilt instruments. I bought one once. YMMV.

George Patterson
Battle, n; A method of untying with the teeth a political knot that would
not yield to the tongue.

[Frank Stutzman]

Jim Weir > wrote:

> The Gyro House
> Auburn CA

> Possibly the most competent and trustworthy instrument overhaul shop in
> existence, certainly in Northern California.

Seconded, even if they didn't get my T&B overhaul right the first time.
They got it the second time and gave me no hassel about sending it back to
them.

They didn't seem to understand me when I said I wanted some extra hummus
to go with my gyro, though.

--
Frank Stutzman
Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
Hood River, OR

[jsmith]

> They didn't seem to understand me when I said I wanted some extra hummus
> to go with my gyro, though.

Must be your accent and pronunciation.

[MRQB]

What is the cost differance in a overhauled turn cordinator Vs. a new? if it
is only a little ill buy new


"Frank Stutzman" > wrote in message
...
> Jim Weir > wrote:
>
> > The Gyro House
> > Auburn CA
>
> > Possibly the most competent and trustworthy instrument overhaul shop in
> > existence, certainly in Northern California.
>
> Seconded, even if they didn't get my T&B overhaul right the first time.
> They got it the second time and gave me no hassel about sending it back to
> them.
>
> They didn't seem to understand me when I said I wanted some extra hummus
> to go with my gyro, though.
>
> --
> Frank Stutzman
> Bonanza N494B "Hula Girl"
> Hood River, OR
>

[MRQB]

Do you have contact info for The Gyro House


"Jim Weir" > wrote in message
...
>
> The Gyro House
> Auburn CA
>
> Possibly the most competent and trustworthy instrument overhaul shop in
> existence, certainly in Northern California.
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> ->Pito System Fail Has Leak In System = Traced To Airspeed Indicator Leak
on
> ->Pito Side :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone know of a good place to a rebuild
have
> ->done or a decent replacement?
> ->Turn Coordinator Bad = Barings Making Noise :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone
know
> ->of a good place to have a rebuild done or a decent replacement?
> ->
>
>
>
> Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
> VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
> http://www.rst-engr.com

[Ray Andraka]

For my Sigmatek Attitude with the flag: $495 my unit overhauled, $595 overhaul
exchange, $1015 new. These were installed prices. I imagine the ratios are
similar for a TC.

MRQB wrote:

> What is the cost differance in a overhauled turn cordinator Vs. a new? if it
> is only a little ill buy new
>

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Newps]

Ray Andraka wrote:
> For my Sigmatek Attitude with the flag: $495 my unit overhauled, $595 overhaul
> exchange, $1015 new. These were installed prices. I imagine the ratios are
> similar for a TC.

You got ripped off. New Sigma Teks can be had for $550, with the flag,
which is only a $50 option. It takes maybe a half hour to put one in.

[Jim Weir]

google "gyro house" auburn


Jim


"MRQB" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->Do you have contact info for The Gyro House

->

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Ray Andraka]

Thanks, but I've done the mail order route for gyros before, and they never last
very long. I had the work done at the shop that does the overhauls, and it is a
well regarded shop. I've been very pleased with past gyros from this shop (VIP in
Hartford), much more so than previous mail order ones. I think your prices are a
bit low as well. As a point of reference, Spruce lists it without a flag for $667,
with a flag for $803(not an exact match,). Chief lists it (5000B-38) at $825, and
$662 without the flag. These have sat on the shelf for God knows how long, have
been subjected to rough handling in shipping, and the prices don't include shipping,
nor the cost to get them installed. I also know that with the local shop, I get
warranty service. It happened with the DG they put in. A year and later it was
precessing too much. They replaced it at no cost. Try that with mail order....it
won't happen. I've seen too many gyros come in mail order that are no good just a
week or two after install. With those, you generally only get 30 days from date of
order if that. Doesn't sound like much of a rip-off to me.

Newps wrote:

> Ray Andraka wrote:
> > For my Sigmatek Attitude with the flag: $495 my unit overhauled, $595 overhaul
> > exchange, $1015 new. These were installed prices. I imagine the ratios are
> > similar for a TC.
>
> You got ripped off. New Sigma Teks can be had for $550, with the flag,
> which is only a $50 option. It takes maybe a half hour to put one in.

--
--Ray Andraka, P.E.
President, the Andraka Consulting Group, Inc.
401/884-7930 Fax 401/884-7950
email
http://www.andraka.com

"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little
temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
-Benjamin Franklin, 1759

[Jay Honeck]

> Do you have contact info for The Gyro House

http://www.gyrohouse.com/

Good folks.

They did my DG and my AI, on Jim's recommendation.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

I had good luck with Kelly Instruments in KS on my EDO-AIRE AI and DG last
year. Something like $300 each to overhaul, came back cosmetically beautiful. Now I
can pretty much set the DG at annual time and forget it for the rest of the year (not
quite, but once up and running, it's 1-2 degrees/hour precession). The AI wallers
nicely on startup, and erects in less than 5 sec. Don't know about longevity, but so
far so good (100 hours later).

From what I've heard the new gyros are crap... I'd believe it to. Seeing the
guts of mine before sending it off (I just *had* to look)... very well built
old-school stuff. Ever wonder why the hockey-puck DG's and Sparrow AI's from the '50s
are still going strong having never been overhauled? Too many companies these days
take their well-respected name for granted and start bowing to the cost-reduction
gods.

Jay Honeck > wrote:
:> Do you have contact info for The Gyro House

: http://www.gyrohouse.com/

: Good folks.

: They did my DG and my AI, on Jim's recommendation.
: --
: Jay Honeck
: Iowa City, IA
: Pathfinder N56993
: www.AlexisParkInn.com
: "Your Aviation Destination"



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[Peter R.]

Frank Stutzman ) wrote:

> They didn't seem to understand me when I said I wanted some extra hummus
> to go with my gyro, though.

No wonder. Who puts hummus on their gyro? :)

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[Dennis O'Connor]

It's interesting that you use an insult to make a point - I will pass on
that... That's two insulting posts I've received in the past couple of
days...

"Newps" > wrote in message
news:ftC9c.117546$_w.1374580@attbi_s53...
>
>
> Dennis O'Connor wrote:
> > Never, never, never, rebuild a gyro instrument that your life depends
> > upon... Always replace with new...
>
> Drivel.
>

[Jim Weir]

I'd give a lot to get an overhaul like that.

{;-)


Jim



shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

The AI wallers
->nicely on startup, and erects in less than 5 sec.


Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Stu Gotts]

Here's another one. Grow up! I didn't read where you were elected
Pope and now carry infallibility into aviation newsgroups. Some
people may have a bit more knowledge about a certain subject and will
disagree. Some people won't know **** and disagree. This is usenet
and without a thick skin, you'll never survive without your mommy.

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 14:11:47 -0500, "Dennis O'Connor"
> wrote:

>It's interesting that you use an insult to make a point - I will pass on
>that... That's two insulting posts I've received in the past couple of
>days...
>
>"Newps" > wrote in message
>news:ftC9c.117546$_w.1374580@attbi_s53...
>>
>>
>> Dennis O'Connor wrote:
>> > Never, never, never, rebuild a gyro instrument that your life depends
>> > upon... Always replace with new...
>>
>> Drivel.
>>
>

[Stu Gotts]

Take 2 viagra and yellow tag yourself!

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 11:23:12 -0800, Jim Weir > wrote:

>
>I'd give a lot to get an overhaul like that.
>
>{;-)
>
>
>Jim
>
>

>shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:
>
> The AI wallers
>->nicely on startup, and erects in less than 5 sec.
>
>
>Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
>VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
>http://www.rst-engr.com

[Tom Sixkiller]

If it fits, maybe you're insulting your own intelligence.

"Dennis O'Connor" > wrote in message
...
> It's interesting that you use an insult to make a point - I will pass on
> that... That's two insulting posts I've received in the past couple of
> days...
>
> "Newps" > wrote in message
> news:ftC9c.117546$_w.1374580@attbi_s53...
> >
> >
> > Dennis O'Connor wrote:
> > > Never, never, never, rebuild a gyro instrument that your life depends
> > > upon... Always replace with new...
> >
> > Drivel.
> >
>
>

[Jim Weir]

Go down to the vet supply store and get one of those big horse hypodermic
needles with the smallest needle you can get.

Go to the craft store and get a suction cup that will fit over the static port.

CAREFULLY and with GREAT CAUTION put the suction cup over the static port. If
you have two static ports, put another suction cup over the other port. (A thin
coating of spit on the suction cup works well as a vacuum seal, so does a thin
coating of vaseline.)

Pick ONE of the static ports and push the needle through the backside of the
suction cup. SLOWLY and with GREAT CAUTION suck down the suction cup until the
altimeter reads about a thousand feet above airport elevation OR the airspeed
indicator reads just at the yellow arc, whichever occurs first.

You MUST support the syringe so that the needle doesn't cock and let the suction
cup leak. I've got mine arranged so that there is a 6' length of plastic tubing
between the syringe and the needle, tied off with tiewraps. Don't believe that
the aircraft system has a leak until you've tried your little setup on a known
good airplane and it doesn't show leak.

Let the system come to equilibrium for five minutes or so. If the ASI is still
slowly bleeding off speed after five minutes OR the altimeter continues to wind
down, you've got a static leak. You can repeat the suckdown after five minutes
if you wish, but if the thing doesn't stabilize after two or three iterations,
you've got a leak on your hands.

You may want to do the mason jar accumulator trick I showed when writing about
the altitude encoder test jig (www.rstengineering.com and go to bibliography or
www.rstengineering.com/kitplanes and download the article).

Of course, I would NEVER do this test on a standard certificated aircraft.
Nosirre, not me, not never. Huh, unh.

{;-)

Jim


This test should have been performed as part of
->the pre-buy so that you wouldn't not have been responsible for the
->entire cost of the instruments and the labor.
->
->*sigh*
->
->it's an educational opportunity, right?
->

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[MRQB]

Update!!! My diaphragm in the ASI has a leak BER and my TC is not worth
being serviced I am just going to get new replacements nice little $1,000
bill and a 1 week wait but at leased i will know what i have.


"MRQB" > wrote in message
...
> Well my bird spent 6 hours at the avionics/instrument shop today getting a
> pito static & transponder encoder check now the results :(
>
>
> Transponder/Encoder Working 100% To 20,000 feet
> Altimeter Working 100% Well With in Specs To 14,000 feet did not go higher
> then aircraft service ceiling
> VSI Working 100%
> Static System Pass
> Pito System Fail Has Leak In System = Traced To Airspeed Indicator Leak on
> Pito Side :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone know of a good place to a rebuild
have
> done or a decent replacement?
> Turn Coordinator Bad = Barings Making Noise :( Needs Rebuilt :( Anyone
know
> of a good place to have a rebuild done or a decent replacement?
> 1 Vor Head OK
> 1 Vor Head W/ Glide Slope Bad = Localizer Works Great, Vor Is Off 8
Degrees,
> Glide Slope don't go to full deflection :( Non serviceable needs replaced.
>
> Other than my first bill in owning was a fun exciting day in the shop they
> were very friendly and explained everything that they were doing and
answerd
> all my questions i really learned how all the insturments work kinda cool
if
> i decide to replace instrad of rebuild ill have some that i can take apart
> and play with.
>
>

[Bob Fry]

"MRQB" > writes:

> Update!!! My diaphragm in the ASI has a leak BER and my TC is not worth
> being serviced I am just going to get new replacements nice little $1,000
> bill and a 1 week wait but at leased i will know what i have.

Ahh...the pleasures of ownership.

[MRQB]

It is a great learning experience "the pleasures of ownership" I don't mind
spending money on toys I did the ATV thing for a while 1 trip to the dunes
could run $3,000+ and flying is more fun and more rewarding i belive, Now I
get to make the decision of what ASI I want to install do I want a Standard
or True Airspeed? Humm its hurting my brain deciding witch one to get price
difference is min as I am already going to have to be spending $420.00 on a
standard or should I spend a bit extra $490 on a true airspeed witch would
be best?


"Bob Fry" > wrote in message
...
> "MRQB" > writes:
>
> > Update!!! My diaphragm in the ASI has a leak BER and my TC is not worth
> > being serviced I am just going to get new replacements nice little
$1,000
> > bill and a 1 week wait but at leased i will know what i have.
>
> Ahh...the pleasures of ownership.

[BTIZ]

in a Cessna 150?? do you think you'll need to compute TAS? or do you think
your GPS will provide you what you need.

JMHO
BT

"MRQB" > wrote in message
...
> It is a great learning experience "the pleasures of ownership" I don't
mind
> spending money on toys I did the ATV thing for a while 1 trip to the dunes
> could run $3,000+ and flying is more fun and more rewarding i belive, Now
I
> get to make the decision of what ASI I want to install do I want a
Standard
> or True Airspeed? Humm its hurting my brain deciding witch one to get
price
> difference is min as I am already going to have to be spending $420.00 on
a
> standard or should I spend a bit extra $490 on a true airspeed witch would
> be best?
>
>
> "Bob Fry" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "MRQB" > writes:
> >
> > > Update!!! My diaphragm in the ASI has a leak BER and my TC is not
worth
> > > being serviced I am just going to get new replacements nice little
> $1,000
> > > bill and a 1 week wait but at leased i will know what i have.
> >
> > Ahh...the pleasures of ownership.
>
>

[MRQB]

Just wondering if it is worth the extra $60.00 to have a little extra.


"BTIZ" > wrote in message
news:0T5ac.64237$1I5.60626@fed1read01...
> in a Cessna 150?? do you think you'll need to compute TAS? or do you think
> your GPS will provide you what you need.
>
> JMHO
> BT
>
> "MRQB" > wrote in message
> ...
> > It is a great learning experience "the pleasures of ownership" I don't
> mind
> > spending money on toys I did the ATV thing for a while 1 trip to the
dunes
> > could run $3,000+ and flying is more fun and more rewarding i belive,
Now
> I
> > get to make the decision of what ASI I want to install do I want a
> Standard
> > or True Airspeed? Humm its hurting my brain deciding witch one to get
> price
> > difference is min as I am already going to have to be spending $420.00
on
> a
> > standard or should I spend a bit extra $490 on a true airspeed witch
would
> > be best?
> >
> >
> > "Bob Fry" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > "MRQB" > writes:
> > >
> > > > Update!!! My diaphragm in the ASI has a leak BER and my TC is not
> worth
> > > > being serviced I am just going to get new replacements nice little
> > $1,000
> > > > bill and a 1 week wait but at leased i will know what i have.
> > >
> > > Ahh...the pleasures of ownership.
> >
> >
>
>

[Stu Gotts]

Never mind trying to justify it, just spend the extra money. If
you're thinking like this now and you don't do it, you'll always
regret it (except, of course when you sell it).

On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 19:32:12 -0800, "BTIZ" >
wrote:

>in a Cessna 150?? do you think you'll need to compute TAS? or do you think
>your GPS will provide you what you need.
>
>JMHO
>BT
>
>"MRQB" > wrote in message
...
>> It is a great learning experience "the pleasures of ownership" I don't
>mind
>> spending money on toys I did the ATV thing for a while 1 trip to the dunes
>> could run $3,000+ and flying is more fun and more rewarding i belive, Now
>I
>> get to make the decision of what ASI I want to install do I want a
>Standard
>> or True Airspeed? Humm its hurting my brain deciding witch one to get
>price
>> difference is min as I am already going to have to be spending $420.00 on
>a
>> standard or should I spend a bit extra $490 on a true airspeed witch would
>> be best?
>>
>>
>> "Bob Fry" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > "MRQB" > writes:
>> >
>> > > Update!!! My diaphragm in the ASI has a leak BER and my TC is not
>worth
>> > > being serviced I am just going to get new replacements nice little
>> $1,000
>> > > bill and a 1 week wait but at leased i will know what i have.
>> >
>> > Ahh...the pleasures of ownership.
>>
>>
>

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
MRQB > wrote:
>get to make the decision of what ASI I want to install do I want a Standard
>or True Airspeed?

Have you ever used an ASI with a TAS knob? I have pretty good vision and
I go crosseyed trying to set the temperature opposite the altitude.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Jay Honeck]

> Have you ever used an ASI with a TAS knob? I have pretty good vision and
> I go crosseyed trying to set the temperature opposite the altitude.

Agreed. They are a complete waste of money.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> If it fits, maybe you're insulting your own intelligence.

Gentlemen, (and I obviously use the term loosely...) please take a breath.

This is a discussion about avionics, and Mr. O'Connor's thoughts on re-built
equipment are well-known and well thought-out.

I personally don't agree with his assessment, either, but his long
experience and extensive participation in this group -- to the benefit of us
all -- certainly has earned him the right to an opinion without
name-calling.

Sheesh.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Masino]

Dennis O'Connor > wrote:
> Never, never, never, rebuild a gyro instrument that your life depends
> upon... Always replace with new...

> If the GS head is your only one, then it has to be new... If you have a
> backup, then overhaul is OK - in your case it is not capable of an OH and
> you don't have a backup GS, so moot point...
> On the airspeed, I personally would replace it with new, but since a non
> functioning airspeed won't kill you, overhaul is an option...


Dennis,
I tend to agree with you. My experience, as well as the experience of
my avionics person (who's also a friend of mine) is that the overhauls
don't tend to last as long as new. I'm not sure why you're statement is
causing so much heartburn. Afterall, everyone can make up their minds for
themselves. I'm not sure I'd worry as much about a GS head as you, but
I don't really fly much IFR anymore. After going through a few overhauled
AI's, I bought a new one and it's been great for years. I'd probably be
tempted with getting my DG overhauled, since the compass is a backup in an
emergency.

--- Jay


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[rip]

And, when you get your pitot/static check done, the shaft for the TAS
knob is pretty much a guaranteed leak.

Rip

Jay Honeck wrote:

>>Have you ever used an ASI with a TAS knob? I have pretty good vision and
>>I go crosseyed trying to set the temperature opposite the altitude.
>
>
> Agreed. They are a complete waste of money.

[Jay Masino]

In rec.aviation.owning Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> Have you ever used an ASI with a TAS knob? I have pretty good vision and
>> I go crosseyed trying to set the temperature opposite the altitude.
>
> Agreed. They are a complete waste of money.

I've always had a TAS ASI, and I've never had a problem setting it
correctly. Are you guy sure you don't need you glasses prescription
tweaked a little?

--- Jay

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[Ray Andraka]

Same here, and I've never had a problem with the knob shaft leaking either

Jay Masino wrote:

> I've always had a TAS ASI, and I've never had a problem setting it
> correctly. Are you guy sure you don't need you glasses prescription
> tweaked a little?
>
> --- Jay
>
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[Jay Honeck]

> I've always had a TAS ASI, and I've never had a problem setting it
> correctly. Are you guy sure you don't need you glasses prescription
> tweaked a little?

I've always had one, too. In over 800 hours (plus another 400 with Mary as
PIC) I've never set it.

Not even once.

It is a waste of money. Not a LOT of money, in aviation terms, but still.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Newps]

That's a lot of money and hassle for a 5 kt change in airspeed on a hot day.

MRQB wrote:
> Just wondering if it is worth the extra $60.00 to have a little extra.

[Russell Kent]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Am I the only one here who would pay good, hard-earned cash just to see Jim's
> workshop?

Considering your current source of income, I'd venture that "hard-earned" is a
bit of an exaggeration... ;-) We all know you're having a blast being an
innkeeper.

Russell Kent

[Jay Honeck]

> Considering your current source of income, I'd venture that "hard-earned"
is a
> bit of an exaggeration... ;-) We all know you're having a blast being an
> innkeeper.

Hee hee! Wheeee....!

Whoops, sorry. Um, I mean times are tough, and we're pulling some pretty
long hours around here....

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dennis O'Connor]

My experience with OH gyros has been so-so... Not horrible, but not good
enough to risk my life on them... One time back in the 60's, flying my
Skylane up to Drummond Island to take my boys fishing, I did have my only
horizon slowly wind down and roll over - I used the TC to let down
underneath and fly marginal vfr back to my home airport... It was an old
unit that had been overhauled a couple of times in a 7000 hour airframe...
My rule since then is that the PIC AI/TC have to be replaced with new if
they go sour... Back up gyros/nav-heads can certainly be OH units...

Most of us have two VOR, so I don't have strong feelings on them... But,
many pilots have just one GS, so it needs to be trustworthy...
I have actually had the fun experience about two years ago of having an
recently overhauled GS head pack it up in, 300 and a mile conditions ... The
needle centered on the bubble and stayed there... No warning flag... If it
weren't for the fact that it was rough air and I had been having to jockey
the throttle all the way down to that point I might have been lulled into a
bad situation... I got suspicious fairly quickly, added power, and when the
needle did not react and declared the missed approach... That was the day I
added another rule to my book - the copilot side ILS radio WILL be turned on
and on frequency during any real IMC approach...

Yup, seems some of those on here are spoiling for some kinda fight... Wrong
guy for that... I'll just keep commenting where I see fit...

denny

"Jay Masino" > wrote in > Dennis,
> I tend to agree with you. My experience, as well as the experience of
> my avionics person (who's also a friend of mine) is that the overhauls
> don't tend to last as long as new. I'm not sure why you're statement is
> causing so much heartburn.

[[email protected]]

I don't know about actually paying more to put one in, but in my Cherokee,
it's slightly nice to have. I usually leave it set to IAS (non-corrected), but once
in awhile when I'm bored at 9000', I'll check to see how much headwind I'm fighting
between the TAS and GPS readouts.... :)

I've got good eyes, and for some reason, it *is* a bit awkward to set the
temp/p-alt in a TAS indicator. Just a weird combination of numbers, I guess.

-Cory

In rec.aviation.owning Jay Honeck > wrote:
:> I've always had a TAS ASI, and I've never had a problem setting it
:> correctly. Are you guy sure you don't need you glasses prescription
:> tweaked a little?

: I've always had one, too. In over 800 hours (plus another 400 with Mary as
: PIC) I've never set it.

: Not even once.

: It is a waste of money. Not a LOT of money, in aviation terms, but still.
: --
: Jay Honeck
: Iowa City, IA
: Pathfinder N56993
: www.AlexisParkInn.com
: "Your Aviation Destination"



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[Jay Honeck]

> I don't know about actually paying more to put one in, but in my Cherokee,
> it's slightly nice to have. I usually leave it set to IAS
(non-corrected), but once
> in awhile when I'm bored at 9000', I'll check to see how much headwind I'm
fighting
> between the TAS and GPS readouts.... :)

After you've done that once or twice, you will know what your airspeed will
normally be at 9000 feet. From that point on, a glance at your GPS ground
speed will tell you precisely what kind of headwind you're up against.

I'm not saying it's not a useful doo-dad to have on board, but I sure
wouldn't pay extra for it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[G.R. Patterson III]

MRQB wrote:
>
> Humm its hurting my brain deciding witch one to get price
> difference is min as I am already going to have to be spending $420.00 on a
> standard or should I spend a bit extra $490 on a true airspeed witch would
> be best?

Before you get too excited, check with your local FSDO. With the Teterboro FSDO,
the instrument must either be the exact make and model of one on the original
equipment list, or it must be STC'd for the aircraft. It may be possible to get
others approved, but it's like pulling teeth on a Grizzly with no anesthetic.

George Patterson
Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if treason
be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason.

[Aaron Coolidge]

In rec.aviation.owning wrote:
: I've got good eyes, and for some reason, it *is* a bit awkward to set the
: temp/p-alt in a TAS indicator. Just a weird combination of numbers, I guess.

: -Cory

Try adjusting one in a Mooney. Instead of 0-10,000 ft it goes 0-18,000 ft
in the same size window. Oh, yeah, the airspeed goes to 240kts also, so
all the numbers are really small. Luckily, this Mooney has a Garmin 530
and an air-data computer, so all you have to do is hit "AUX".

PS, I do use the "Piper Truspeed" indicator in my plane all the time. I
know what TAS I should have, when adjusted for temp & altitude. If it
varies, there's something wrong.
--
Aaron Coolidge

[[email protected]]

In rec.aviation.owning Aaron Coolidge > wrote:
: In rec.aviation.owning wrote:
: : I've got good eyes, and for some reason, it *is* a bit awkward to set the
: : temp/p-alt in a TAS indicator. Just a weird combination of numbers, I guess.

: : -Cory

: Try adjusting one in a Mooney. Instead of 0-10,000 ft it goes 0-18,000 ft
: in the same size window. Oh, yeah, the airspeed goes to 240kts also, so
: all the numbers are really small. Luckily, this Mooney has a Garmin 530
: and an air-data computer, so all you have to do is hit "AUX".

: PS, I do use the "Piper Truspeed" indicator in my plane all the time. I
: know what TAS I should have, when adjusted for temp & altitude. If it
: varies, there's something wrong.
: --
: Aaron Coolidge

I pretty much go by IAS. Given a MP, RPM, and Mixture combination, I know
what percent power I'm running. From experience, I know what IAS I should get with
that... anything else and something is different (like more aft loading, for
instance). Higher altitudes might mean better TAS, but you're usually affected more
by the higher winds aloft than by the IAS/TAS increase. As I said.... usually
something I fiddle with when BA (bored aloft)... :)

-Cory

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[Jim Weir]

Not right now you wouldn't. The whole workshop is in boxes in the barn waiting
for the rebuild of the hangar benches and furniture.

Jim


"Jay Honeck" >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:


->
->Am I the only one here who would pay good, hard-earned cash just to see
->Jim's workshop?
->
->:-)

Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[Jim Weir]

I haven't had one apart in twenty years, but as I recall, the shaft for the TAS
knob was outside the pressure vessel.

Jim


rip >
shared these priceless pearls of wisdom:

->And, when you get your pitot/static check done, the shaft for the TAS
->knob is pretty much a guaranteed leak.



Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

[MRQB]

Well I got my ASI today looks great bright lettering pito/static system will
be rechecked on Friday to see if it holds when the avionics guys return from
Vegas on Friday look great in my panel.


"G.R. Patterson III" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> MRQB wrote:
> >
> > Humm its hurting my brain deciding witch one to get price
> > difference is min as I am already going to have to be spending $420.00
on a
> > standard or should I spend a bit extra $490 on a true airspeed witch
would
> > be best?
>
> Before you get too excited, check with your local FSDO. With the Teterboro
FSDO,
> the instrument must either be the exact make and model of one on the
original
> equipment list, or it must be STC'd for the aircraft. It may be possible
to get
> others approved, but it's like pulling teeth on a Grizzly with no
anesthetic.
>
> George Patterson
> Treason is ne'er successful, Sir; what then be the reason? Why, if
treason
> be successful, Sir, then none dare call it treason.