Limitations of Lemon Pledge

[Jay Honeck]

As many of you know, I am a big proponent of using Lemon Pledge to clean an
airplane. It can be used on the Plexiglas safely, and if you spray the
leading edges of the wings with it after each flight, the bugs just swish
right off with little effort.

In fact, that's ALL we have ever washed the plane with -- Lemon Pledge. No
soap and water has ever touched our plane.

When we were at Sun N Fun a couple of weeks ago, however, I saw a most
peculiar speckle and stripe pattern on our wings and fuselage that was only
visible in the direct sunlight. There were obviously cleaner spots and
stripes, and Pledge would not touch them. You could spray, wipe and buff
till your heart's content, but all you were doing was buffing the surface --
this dirt was much deeper than that.

When we got home I hit a spot with some Castrol Super Clean, and *voila!* --
the whole spot became a much whiter, gleaming white. Apparently two years
of Lemon Pledging has actually sealed some dirt in, under a layer of Pledge
wax that the Pledge itself couldn't dissolve.

So, last night my son and I started the arduous task of washing every square
inch with Super Clean and diapers, followed immediately by a coat of
spray-on Turtle wax (to neutralize the caustic Super Clean).

He finished the under-side, while I did the top of both wings -- wow, what a
difference! What looked "clean and white" before is now almost blindingly
white. The dullness had crept up so slowly that we simply did not notice.

So, while we'll still hit the windshield, leading edges, and nose with
Pledge after each flight, our days of using it as an "overall" cleaner are
over -- although I'd like to find something less harsh than Super Clean.
Any suggestions?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Henry Kisor]

Jay, have you ever tried Wash Wax All? That's what I use and it seems to
work very well. It's made for airplanes, while Lemon Pledge, let's face it,
is made for furniture.

I've used Lemon Pledge on the windows but wonder if it might also seal dirt
in as it apparently did with your airplane fuselage. My old instructor
recommended Novus for the windows. I've used that for two years and it also
seems to do the job fine.

Henry

P.S. How much would your son charge to do the underwings and
undertailfeathers of a 150? That wrecks my back. Might be worth a trip out
to Iowa City.

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> As many of you know, I am a big proponent of using Lemon Pledge to clean an
> airplane. It can be used on the Plexiglas safely, and if you spray the
> leading edges of the wings with it after each flight, the bugs just swish
> right off with little effort.

Although I've used pledge on the windshields for 17 years, you should note
that some of the new plexiglass cleaners, like the product made by
Aeroshell, work SIGNIFICANTLY better than pledge.


> In fact, that's ALL we have ever washed the plane with -- Lemon Pledge. No
> soap and water has ever touched our plane.

I've never understood your obsession on this. Wash your damn plane once
in a while. Soap and water gets places, and disolves dirt, that you
can't get to with your obsessive use of pledge.


> When we were at Sun N Fun a couple of weeks ago, however, I saw a most
> peculiar speckle and stripe pattern on our wings and fuselage that was only
> visible in the direct sunlight. There were obviously cleaner spots and
> stripes, and Pledge would not touch them. You could spray, wipe and buff
> till your heart's content, but all you were doing was buffing the surface --
> this dirt was much deeper than that.

I've also seen this over the years. You really have not choice but to
strip off the wax every so often. I've always been uncomfortable with
using things that are too caustic. Sometimes, just a high concentration
of dish washing liquid works. You can also get some mild polishes that
will strip away the old wax.

--- Jay


--
__!__
Jay and Teresa Masino ___(_)___
http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.oceancityairport.com
http://www.oc-adolfos.com

[Jay Honeck]

> I've never understood your obsession on this. Wash your damn plane once
> in a while. Soap and water gets places, and disolves dirt, that you
> can't get to with your obsessive use of pledge.

The main reason is that Spam Cans aren't very waterproof.

After our plane was parked in Tennessee for three days in a steady rain, the
carpet by the door was wet, and our nice, new interior smelled dank. Excess
moisture was evident even after we got home, despite "air drying" for three
or four days -- and about ten hours in the air. This despite the fact that
the plane is air-tight in flight.

Cleaning my motorcycles with Pledge -- not water -- has meant that I have a
1988 Gold Wing that looks like it just rolled off the assembly line. No
moisture gets into the cracks and crevices, meaning that everything stays
fresh and clean longer. (Water works itself into areas that cannot be
dried, then attracts dirt and slowly gums up the works or corrodes whatever
it's sitting on. In fact, my hangar neighbor with a mid-50s Bonanza just
had to replace a chunk of skin metal on the bottom, due to corrosion. The
diagnosis: Water got into the area and could not drain. Over the years, it
literally ate a hole in the bottom of the plane!)

Pledge is still the best day-to-day cleaner polish for the money -- but it's
evident that a stronger detergent-type cleaner is needed every so often.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Mike Noel]

I use about 1/2 cap of Woolite in 3 gallons of H20 and get wonderful
results. Even though the water in Tucson is quite 'hard', I get a spot free
plane after moderate rinsing and towel drying. Since I don't have access to
a hose at my shadeport, the Woolite solution is sprayed on with a pump up
sprayer, the dirt is knocked loose with a soft nylon brush sitting in a
bucket of water, then the plane is rinsed with another sprayer full of plane
water (no pun intended.)

--
Regards,
Mike

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/amountainaero/fspic1.html
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:29xkc.4235$Ik.349647@attbi_s53...
> As many of you know, I am a big proponent of using Lemon Pledge to clean
an
> airplane. It can be used on the Plexiglas safely, and if you spray the
> leading edges of the wings with it after each flight, the bugs just swish
> right off with little effort.
>
> In fact, that's ALL we have ever washed the plane with -- Lemon Pledge.
No
> soap and water has ever touched our plane.
>
> When we were at Sun N Fun a couple of weeks ago, however, I saw a most
> peculiar speckle and stripe pattern on our wings and fuselage that was
only
> visible in the direct sunlight. There were obviously cleaner spots and
> stripes, and Pledge would not touch them. You could spray, wipe and buff
> till your heart's content, but all you were doing was buffing the
surface --
> this dirt was much deeper than that.
>
> When we got home I hit a spot with some Castrol Super Clean, and
*voila!* --
> the whole spot became a much whiter, gleaming white. Apparently two years
> of Lemon Pledging has actually sealed some dirt in, under a layer of
Pledge
> wax that the Pledge itself couldn't dissolve.
>
> So, last night my son and I started the arduous task of washing every
square
> inch with Super Clean and diapers, followed immediately by a coat of
> spray-on Turtle wax (to neutralize the caustic Super Clean).
>
> He finished the under-side, while I did the top of both wings -- wow, what
a
> difference! What looked "clean and white" before is now almost blindingly
> white. The dullness had crept up so slowly that we simply did not notice.
>
> So, while we'll still hit the windshield, leading edges, and nose with
> Pledge after each flight, our days of using it as an "overall" cleaner are
> over -- although I'd like to find something less harsh than Super Clean.
> Any suggestions?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Aaron Coolidge]

Henry Kisor > wrote:
: Jay, have you ever tried Wash Wax All? That's what I use and it seems to
: work very well. It's made for airplanes, while Lemon Pledge, let's face it,
: is made for furniture.

I also use wash-all wax-all (or whatever it's called). It comes in a 1-gal
jug, dilute 50/50 with water, and it does a spectacular job. It doesn't
leave that slight stickiness that pledge seems to leave, which is important
if your plane is outside! Get the "red label" super concentrated stuff.

I have been using Plexus window cleaner on the windows. It also works
quite well.
--
Aaron Coolidge

[Stu Gotts]

Okay, so you've admitted that you were wrong about the Pledge, now why
should be believe that Castrol Super Clean would not be as harmful as
Simple Green.

Sorry, all you Jay fans!

On Fri, 30 Apr 2004 18:45:18 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>As many of you know, I am a big proponent of using Lemon Pledge to clean an
>airplane. It can be used on the Plexiglas safely, and if you spray the
>leading edges of the wings with it after each flight, the bugs just swish
>right off with little effort.
>
>In fact, that's ALL we have ever washed the plane with -- Lemon Pledge. No
>soap and water has ever touched our plane.
>
>When we were at Sun N Fun a couple of weeks ago, however, I saw a most
>peculiar speckle and stripe pattern on our wings and fuselage that was only
>visible in the direct sunlight. There were obviously cleaner spots and
>stripes, and Pledge would not touch them. You could spray, wipe and buff
>till your heart's content, but all you were doing was buffing the surface --
>this dirt was much deeper than that.
>
>When we got home I hit a spot with some Castrol Super Clean, and *voila!* --
>the whole spot became a much whiter, gleaming white. Apparently two years
>of Lemon Pledging has actually sealed some dirt in, under a layer of Pledge
>wax that the Pledge itself couldn't dissolve.
>
>So, last night my son and I started the arduous task of washing every square
>inch with Super Clean and diapers, followed immediately by a coat of
>spray-on Turtle wax (to neutralize the caustic Super Clean).
>
>He finished the under-side, while I did the top of both wings -- wow, what a
>difference! What looked "clean and white" before is now almost blindingly
>white. The dullness had crept up so slowly that we simply did not notice.
>
>So, while we'll still hit the windshield, leading edges, and nose with
>Pledge after each flight, our days of using it as an "overall" cleaner are
>over -- although I'd like to find something less harsh than Super Clean.
>Any suggestions?

[Dave Stadt]

"Stu Gotts" > wrote in message
...
> Okay, so you've admitted that you were wrong about the Pledge, now why
> should be believe that Castrol Super Clean would not be as harmful as
> Simple Green.
>
> Sorry, all you Jay fans!

Heck, I do all three at the same time.....down wind slipping turns with full
flaps while spraying Simple Green all over the plane.

[Jay Masino]

Jay Honeck > wrote:
> The main reason is that Spam Cans aren't very waterproof.

All you have to do is whip it around the pattern a couple of times after
you wash it. It'll be fine. My plane sat outside for years before I
finally got my hangar. It was no big deal. You're being overly
obsessive.


--
__!__
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http://www2.ari.net/jmasino ! ! !
http://www.oceancityairport.com
http://www.oc-adolfos.com

[Bob Fry]

Jay and all,

Without question the best stuff I've found for cleaning airplanes is
Tomar TR-1000. It is designed to be safe for aluminum airplanes,
unlike the cleaning products you'll find in your local discount store.
It is extremely effective when diluted and used as directed.

Unfortunately it is expensive and not easy to find. I ordered a 5
gallon drum of it directly from the supplier, which added on shipping
costs. But it lasts a long time.

I wash my plane 2 or 3 times a year. I'm in a generally warm and dry
climate from April through October so I'm not worried about corrosion
that much. The wash rack at my airport has very hard water, so my
trick is to take a high-quality silicone rubber squeege, 1 to 2
gallons of distilled water, and a garden sprayer. After washing with
the TR-1000 (diluting as directed) and rinsing with the hose at the
wash rack, I squeege off the hard rinse water wherever possible. Then
I spray important areas like the plexiglass, or curved shapes I
couldn't squeege too well, with the distilled water--enough to make it
run off, displacing the hard water with distilled water. I towel dry
the other areas that I squeeged but didn't spray. Finally I'll fly it
around the pattern to air dry the crevices.

[Jay Honeck]

> Okay, so you've admitted that you were wrong about the Pledge, now why
> should be believe that Castrol Super Clean would not be as harmful as
> Simple Green.
>
> Sorry, all you Jay fans!

Actually, that's the point of my post.

Does any cleaner work as well, without harming aluminum?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Without question the best stuff I've found for cleaning airplanes is
> Tomar TR-1000. It is designed to be safe for aluminum airplanes,
> unlike the cleaning products you'll find in your local discount store.
> It is extremely effective when diluted and used as directed.

Got an URL for these folks?

All I find in a search are dead and foreign language links.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Stu Gotts]

On Sat, 01 May 2004 11:51:16 GMT, "Jay Honeck"
> wrote:

>> Okay, so you've admitted that you were wrong about the Pledge, now why
>> should be believe that Castrol Super Clean would not be as harmful as
>> Simple Green.
>>
>> Sorry, all you Jay fans!
>
>Actually, that's the point of my post.
>
>Does any cleaner work as well, without harming aluminum?

I guess all the highest priced "airplane" stuff, but I sure would like
to find the real deal. I'm trying that Castol stuff today!!!

[Jay Honeck]

> I guess all the highest priced "airplane" stuff, but I sure would like
> to find the real deal. I'm trying that Castol stuff today!!!

Wear rubber gloves. That stuff will suck all the oil out of your hands...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Fry]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> > Without question the best stuff I've found for cleaning airplanes is
> > Tomar TR-1000. It is designed to be safe for aluminum airplanes,
> > unlike the cleaning products you'll find in your local discount store.
> > It is extremely effective when diluted and used as directed.
>
> Got an URL for these folks?

Here's what I have:

Tomar Industries
P.O.Box 803
Cary, NC 27511
919-467-0362
866-828-0859 (toll free)

They claim this web site works but I'm not sure:
http://www.tomaraircraftcleaner.com/

Aviation Consumer did a report on cleaners and recommended TR-1000.
If you like I can send you the article, it's rather long.

I'm also told that you might find it in a detail shop, or a truck stop
with a truck wash.

[Thomas Borchert]

Aaron,

> I have been using Plexus window cleaner on the windows. It also works
> quite well.
>

We use that, too, but I've read and been told numerous times that
Plexus is just the aviation-priced version of Lemon Pledge. No
difference at all, it seems.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Jay Honeck]

> They claim this web site works but I'm not sure:
> http://www.tomaraircraftcleaner.com/

Doesn't work for me.

But thanks -- I'll ask around town for it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Javier Henderson]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> > They claim this web site works but I'm not sure:
> > http://www.tomaraircraftcleaner.com/
>
> Doesn't work for me.

It won't work for anyone, that domain does not exist.

Interestingly enough, the couple of references I found for Tomar on
google refer to that domain, so it must've been valid at some point.

-jav

[Aaron Coolidge]

Thomas Borchert > wrote:
: Aaron,
: We use that, too, but I've read and been told numerous times that
: Plexus is just the aviation-priced version of Lemon Pledge. No
: difference at all, it seems.

Aha, you caught me in a mistake. I actually use a cleaner made by "Prist"
for lexan windows. I tried the Plexus but I wasn't happy with it, for the
same reasons that I didn't like pledge: it seems to leave a slight sticky
film. The "Prist" does not leave such a film.

I don't know exactly what part number the "Prist" cleaner is. It is not
the de-icing additive used in jet fuel that is also marketed by "Prist"!
--
Aaron Coolidge

[tony roberts]

In article <29xkc.4235$Ik.349647@attbi_s53>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> As many of you know, I am a big proponent of using Lemon Pledge to clean an
> airplane. It can be used on the Plexiglas safely, and if you spray the
> leading edges of the wings with it after each flight, the bugs just swish
> right off with little effort.
>

I wash my plane with a regular car shampoo.
Windshield gets lemon pledge plus an occasional scratch remover
treatment.
Leading edge & spars get a spray and wipe with Turtle (Turtle Wax) bug
remover. Works great for getting rid of bugs, and also works well for
wiping off oil streaks.

Tony

--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Almost Instrument :)
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Dylan Smith]

In article >, Jay Masino wrote:
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> The main reason is that Spam Cans aren't very waterproof.
>
> All you have to do is whip it around the pattern a couple of times after
> you wash it. It'll be fine. My plane sat outside for years before I
> finally got my hangar. It was no big deal. You're being overly
> obsessive.

I'd agree with that. Immediately after washing a plane, I'll fly it.
You've just done the most thorough preflight you'll probably do in a
while (it's amazing what you can find when carefully cleaning an
aircraft) so I might as well go and fly. We also put corrosion inhibitor
inside the wings as soon as we got the plane.

The best thing I found for getting rid of the grime was soap/water, then
a rinse, then wiping dry with one of those synthetic chamois things that
feel like chicken skin. Then a bit of car polish.

I'd bet the old Bonanza that had the corrosion problem didn't fly
enough.

--
Dylan Smith, Castletown, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net
"Maintain thine airspeed, lest the ground come up and smite thee"

[Jay Honeck]

> I'd bet the old Bonanza that had the corrosion problem didn't fly
> enough.

Maybe early in its life -- but not now. The current owner is the only guy
on the field that flies more than we do.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Butler]

Bob Fry wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > writes:
>
>
>>>Without question the best stuff I've found for cleaning airplanes is
>>>Tomar TR-1000. It is designed to be safe for aluminum airplanes,
>>>unlike the cleaning products you'll find in your local discount store.
>>>It is extremely effective when diluted and used as directed.
>>
>>Got an URL for these folks?
>
>
> Here's what I have:
>
> Tomar Industries
> P.O.Box 803
> Cary, NC 27511
> 919-467-0362
> 866-828-0859 (toll free)

This happens to be a local call for me, so I gave them a call. They said they
have an automotive product called "T03 Wash and Wax", and "TR-1000AC" which must
be the product referred to above. They don't have any distribution network, the
only way to get their stuff is to call them at the above number. He confirmed
the toll-free number. I forgot to ask about the URL.

I was hoping this was going to be a local source for Wash-Wax-All, but it's not.
I bought Wash-Wax-All from somebody in a Bellanca at a fly-in in Virginia. I
liked it, but haven't been able to find it again. Not sure I'm spelling the name
of the product correctly.

Dave
Remove SHIRT to reply directly.

>
> They claim this web site works but I'm not sure:
> http://www.tomaraircraftcleaner.com/
>
> Aviation Consumer did a report on cleaners and recommended TR-1000.
> If you like I can send you the article, it's rather long.
>
> I'm also told that you might find it in a detail shop, or a truck stop
> with a truck wash.


--
Dave Butler, software engineer 919-392-4367

[Otis Winslow]

I second the Wash Wax All recommendation. Have used it for
years and it works great.


"Henry Kisor" > wrote in message
...
> Jay, have you ever tried Wash Wax All? That's what I use and it seems to
> work very well. It's made for airplanes, while Lemon Pledge, let's face
it,
> is made for furniture.
>
> I've used Lemon Pledge on the windows but wonder if it might also seal
dirt
> in as it apparently did with your airplane fuselage. My old instructor
> recommended Novus for the windows. I've used that for two years and it
also
> seems to do the job fine.
>
> Henry
>
> P.S. How much would your son charge to do the underwings and
> undertailfeathers of a 150? That wrecks my back. Might be worth a trip
out
> to Iowa City.
>
>

[Javier Henderson]

Dave Butler > writes:

> I was hoping this was going to be a local source for Wash-Wax-All, but
> it's not. I bought Wash-Wax-All from somebody in a Bellanca at a
> fly-in in Virginia. I liked it, but haven't been able to find it
> again. Not sure I'm spelling the name of the product correctly.

The Wash Wax All product is available here:

http://www.washwax.com/

I've used it, and it's great. The mail order price, including s/h, is
only slightly cheaper than what the local FBO charges.

-jav

[Jay Honeck]

> The Wash Wax All product is available here:
>
> http://www.washwax.com/
>
> I've used it, and it's great. The mail order price, including s/h, is
> only slightly cheaper than what the local FBO charges.

Thanks for the link, Jav. Do you use the "degreaser" version, or the
"regular" version?

I would assume the degreaser is necessary for the grimy underbelly?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ross Richardson]

You folks are getting Wash Wax All confused with other products. Please
see

http://www.wash-wax.com/care.html

I have used it for the 6 years I have owned my plane. It works as
advertised. They sell some pads that make it work better. A little
expensive, but they last a long time. You can "wash" the whole plane
with the blue bottle if you wish. I just use it on the windows and the
leading edges and the nose bowl. Continued use makes it work better. The
red bottle is more of a degreaser for hard to clean areas. As good as
the blue bottle is the red stuff doesn't seem to work as good for me.
The belly just gets cleaned with varsol and then a good water bath. Oh,
yea, then I fly it to get the water off.

Ross

Dave Butler wrote:
>
> Bob Fry wrote:
> > "Jay Honeck" > writes:
> >
> >
> >>>Without question the best stuff I've found for cleaning airplanes is
> >>>Tomar TR-1000. It is designed to be safe for aluminum airplanes,
> >>>unlike the cleaning products you'll find in your local discount store.
> >>>It is extremely effective when diluted and used as directed.
> >>
> >>Got an URL for these folks?
> >
> >
> > Here's what I have:
> >
> > Tomar Industries
> > P.O.Box 803
> > Cary, NC 27511
> > 919-467-0362
> > 866-828-0859 (toll free)
>
> This happens to be a local call for me, so I gave them a call. They said they
> have an automotive product called "T03 Wash and Wax", and "TR-1000AC" which must
> be the product referred to above. They don't have any distribution network, the
> only way to get their stuff is to call them at the above number. He confirmed
> the toll-free number. I forgot to ask about the URL.
>
> I was hoping this was going to be a local source for Wash-Wax-All, but it's not.
> I bought Wash-Wax-All from somebody in a Bellanca at a fly-in in Virginia. I
> liked it, but haven't been able to find it again. Not sure I'm spelling the name
> of the product correctly.
>
> Dave
> Remove SHIRT to reply directly.
>
> >
> > They claim this web site works but I'm not sure:
> > http://www.tomaraircraftcleaner.com/
> >
> > Aviation Consumer did a report on cleaners and recommended TR-1000.
> > If you like I can send you the article, it's rather long.
> >
> > I'm also told that you might find it in a detail shop, or a truck stop
> > with a truck wash.
>
> --
> Dave Butler, software engineer 919-392-4367

[Dave Butler]

Ross Richardson wrote:
> You folks are getting Wash Wax All confused with other products. Please
> see

<snip>

I'm not confused.

>
> Dave Butler wrote:
>

Remove SHIRT to reply directly.
Dave

[Ross Richardson]

No, you were not.

Dave Butler wrote:
>
> Ross Richardson wrote:
> > You folks are getting Wash Wax All confused with other products. Please
> > see
>
> <snip>
>
> I'm not confused.
>
> >
> > Dave Butler wrote:
> >
>
> Remove SHIRT to reply directly.
> Dave

[TripFarmer]

Sporty's has it......:o(


Trip

In article >, says...
>
>Bob Fry wrote:
>> "Jay Honeck" > writes:
>>
>>
>>>>Without question the best stuff I've found for cleaning airplanes is
>>>>Tomar TR-1000. It is designed to be safe for aluminum airplanes,
>>>>unlike the cleaning products you'll find in your local discount store.
>>>>It is extremely effective when diluted and used as directed.
>>>
>>>Got an URL for these folks?
>>
>>
>> Here's what I have:
>>
>> Tomar Industries
>> P.O.Box 803
>> Cary, NC 27511
>> 919-467-0362
>> 866-828-0859 (toll free)
>
>This happens to be a local call for me, so I gave them a call. They said they
>have an automotive product called "T03 Wash and Wax", and "TR-1000AC" which must
>
>be the product referred to above. They don't have any distribution network, the
>only way to get their stuff is to call them at the above number. He confirmed
>the toll-free number. I forgot to ask about the URL.
>
>I was hoping this was going to be a local source for Wash-Wax-All, but it's not.
>
>I bought Wash-Wax-All from somebody in a Bellanca at a fly-in in Virginia. I
>liked it, but haven't been able to find it again. Not sure I'm spelling the name
>
>of the product correctly.
>
>Dave
>Remove SHIRT to reply directly.
>
>>
>> They claim this web site works but I'm not sure:
>> http://www.tomaraircraftcleaner.com/
>>
>> Aviation Consumer did a report on cleaners and recommended TR-1000.
>> If you like I can send you the article, it's rather long.
>>
>> I'm also told that you might find it in a detail shop, or a truck stop
>> with a truck wash.
>
>
>--
>Dave Butler, software engineer 919-392-4367
>

[Stu Gotts]

On Mon, 03 May 2004 16:07:52 GMT, "Otis Winslow" >
wrote:

>I second the Wash Wax All recommendation. Have used it for
>years and it works great.

Streaks for me. I've tried cutting it in various ratios with
distilled water, but still no dice.

>
>
>"Henry Kisor" > wrote in message
...
>> Jay, have you ever tried Wash Wax All? That's what I use and it seems to
>> work very well. It's made for airplanes, while Lemon Pledge, let's face
>it,
>> is made for furniture.
>>
>> I've used Lemon Pledge on the windows but wonder if it might also seal
>dirt
>> in as it apparently did with your airplane fuselage. My old instructor
>> recommended Novus for the windows. I've used that for two years and it
>also
>> seems to do the job fine.
>>
>> Henry
>>
>> P.S. How much would your son charge to do the underwings and
>> undertailfeathers of a 150? That wrecks my back. Might be worth a trip
>out
>> to Iowa City.
>>
>>
>

[Javier Henderson]

"Jay Honeck" > writes:

> > The Wash Wax All product is available here:
> >
> > http://www.washwax.com/
> >
> > I've used it, and it's great. The mail order price, including s/h, is
> > only slightly cheaper than what the local FBO charges.
>
> Thanks for the link, Jav. Do you use the "degreaser" version, or the
> "regular" version?
>
> I would assume the degreaser is necessary for the grimy underbelly?

I only use the regular version. I use WD40 or mineral spirits to
degrease the underbelly.

The above, and cans of Plexus, round up my airplane washing chemicals
kit.

-jav

[Kathy]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:29xkc.42$Ik.349647@attbi_s53...
> As many of you know, I am a big proponent of using Lemon Pledge to clean
an
> airplane. It can be used on the Plexiglas safely, and if you spray the
> leading edges of the wings with it after each flight, the bugs just swish
> right off with little effort.
>
> So, while we'll still hit the windshield, leading edges, and nose with
> Pledge after each flight, our days of using it as an "overall" cleaner are
> over -- although I'd like to find something less harsh than Super Clean.
> Any suggestions?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

OT - If you wear glasses with plastic lenses, you can use up the last of
your Pledge on those. When they get that scratchy haze that's bad enough to
be annoying but not bad enough to justify getting new ones, a rub of Pledge
(or Plexus) will turn them clear as new for several hours.

Kathy

[Jay Honeck]

> a rub of Pledge
> (or Plexus) will turn them clear as new for several hours.

Interesting -- thanks!
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Elwood Dowd]

I wonder if the P products would work on scratched CDs... I have used
Meguilar's products on moto helmets (soft plexi) with wondrous results,
and on CDs as well. Just need to remember to get ALL of the stuff off
before putting the disk into the walkman.


> OT - If you wear glasses with plastic lenses, you can use up the last of
> your Pledge on those. When they get that scratchy haze that's bad enough to
> be annoying but not bad enough to justify getting new ones, a rub of Pledge
> (or Plexus) will turn them clear as new for several hours.
>
> Kathy
>
>

[Paul Sengupta]

If you think Pledge is good for those uses, try using Aeroshell's
Flight Jacket winscreen cleaner. Did wonders for a screen on a
second hand GPS I bought.

Paul

"Elwood Dowd" > wrote in message
...
> I wonder if the P products would work on scratched CDs... I have used
> Meguilar's products on moto helmets (soft plexi) with wondrous results,
> and on CDs as well. Just need to remember to get ALL of the stuff off
> before putting the disk into the walkman.
>
>
> > OT - If you wear glasses with plastic lenses, you can use up the last of
> > your Pledge on those. When they get that scratchy haze that's bad enough
to
> > be annoying but not bad enough to justify getting new ones, a rub of
Pledge
> > (or Plexus) will turn them clear as new for several hours.

[Javier Henderson]

"Paul Sengupta" > writes:

> If you think Pledge is good for those uses, try using Aeroshell's
> Flight Jacket winscreen cleaner. Did wonders for a screen on a
> second hand GPS I bought.

I've been using camera lens cleaner on my GNS430 and MX20 screens. It's
very inexpensive (particularly by aviation standards).

-jav