Comming close

[Tony]

Have you came close to be in a mid air. Today was the most I flew in one
day around 6hours in the plane total and have never been closer to being
in a mid. I had to head down to my grandma's (she's not doing good)
around KFUL and I was in Vegas. Got up around 5:30am and got off the
ground at KVGT around 8:00. After getting out of Las Vegas Class B a
southwest 737 blows right in front of me less the 4 miles same alt. ATC
didnt even call him. I dont know why I didnt see him untill my Dad
pointed him out in frount of me. So no biggy. Got over L26 and there
were 3 of us head right at eachother. Me, a Bo, and something else. The
Bo climbed and turned very sharp, I went down, Have no idea what the
other guys did. ATC called all these guys to me but I didnt even see
them till they were about 2 miles. Landed at KFUL no problem. Headed to
KAPV to pick up a friend of mine, no problem there. Going to L70, a bird
less then 5feet from the end of the wing. Landed at L70 and headed back
to KAPV to go home and a glider right in front of me, I climbed like
hell. And im still here. All of these close calls today really makes you
think of the big sky. And how small it is.
Fly Safe and keep yours eyes out the window.
N8389P
KAPV PA24-250

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[Stu Gotts]

This is close? Geez, just another good flying day in Texas.

On 15 May 2004 05:04:37 GMT, Tony > wrote:

>Have you came close to be in a mid air. Today was the most I flew in one
>day around 6hours in the plane total and have never been closer to being
>in a mid. I had to head down to my grandma's (she's not doing good)
>around KFUL and I was in Vegas. Got up around 5:30am and got off the
>ground at KVGT around 8:00. After getting out of Las Vegas Class B a
>southwest 737 blows right in front of me less the 4 miles same alt. ATC
>didnt even call him. I dont know why I didnt see him untill my Dad
>pointed him out in frount of me. So no biggy. Got over L26 and there
>were 3 of us head right at eachother. Me, a Bo, and something else. The
>Bo climbed and turned very sharp, I went down, Have no idea what the
>other guys did. ATC called all these guys to me but I didnt even see
>them till they were about 2 miles. Landed at KFUL no problem. Headed to
>KAPV to pick up a friend of mine, no problem there. Going to L70, a bird
>less then 5feet from the end of the wing. Landed at L70 and headed back
>to KAPV to go home and a glider right in front of me, I climbed like
>hell. And im still here. All of these close calls today really makes you
>think of the big sky. And how small it is.
>Fly Safe and keep yours eyes out the window.
>N8389P
>KAPV PA24-250
>
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[Jay Honeck]

> Fly Safe and keep yours eyes out the window.

Well, Tony, if you live in a metro area, you just get used to it. When I
lived between Milwaukee and Chicago, it happened all the time. (And, BTW, 3
or 4 miles isn't really "close"...)

Or, alternatively, you can come visit us in Iowa. Here the Big Sky is,
indeed, VERY big. Mary and I often fly mid-week, and occasionally go
several flights without seeing another aircraft.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:5aspc.6892$qA.774467@attbi_s51...
> > Fly Safe and keep yours eyes out the window.
>
> Well, Tony, if you live in a metro area, you just get used to it. When I
> lived between Milwaukee and Chicago, it happened all the time. (And, BTW,
3
> or 4 miles isn't really "close"...)
>
> Or, alternatively, you can come visit us in Iowa. Here the Big Sky is,
> indeed, VERY big. Mary and I often fly mid-week, and occasionally go
> several flights without seeing another aircraft.

How long since your glasses have been checked? :~)

[Jim Carter]

No kidding - 3 or 4 miles isn't even guns range...

--
Jim Carter
"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:5aspc.6892$qA.774467@attbi_s51...
> > Fly Safe and keep yours eyes out the window.
>
> Well, Tony, if you live in a metro area, you just get used to it. When I
> lived between Milwaukee and Chicago, it happened all the time. (And, BTW,
3
> or 4 miles isn't really "close"...)
>
> Or, alternatively, you can come visit us in Iowa. Here the Big Sky is,
> indeed, VERY big. Mary and I often fly mid-week, and occasionally go
> several flights without seeing another aircraft.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> How long since your glasses have been checked? :~)

Just got new ones.

Now I can:

a) See all the imperfections in the windshield MUCH more clearly...
b) No longer read the sectional...

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

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Jay Honeck > wrote:
> > How long since your glasses have been checked? :~)

> Just got new ones.

> Now I can:

> a) See all the imperfections in the windshield MUCH more clearly...
> b) No longer read the sectional...

> :-(
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Went flying Friday for the first time with the bifocals I ordered just
for flying; the bifocal line is purposely at the top of the panel.

1. Am I really so old I need bifocals?
2. Got to break the habit of looking over the top of the glasses to read
the panel and sectionals.

--
Jim Pennino

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[SD]

On 15 May 2004 05:04:37 GMT, Tony > wrote:

>Have you came close to be in a mid air. Today was the most I flew in one
>day around 6hours in the plane total and have never been closer to being
>in a mid.

Thats a lot better then what I saw today. I was with one of my
students today in the pattern at KCOS doing touch and go's on 17R when
a C17 Galaxy came in for a landing on 12. The controller told us that
we were #2 for the intersection and to continue our downwind with the
C17 being #1. Ok, I didnt have a problem with that, we were going to
be way ahead of him so no problem. Then the controller asked us to do
a short approach for 17R in front of the C17. Still no problem, its
time for a simulated engine failure for my student. We got down ok,
and proceeded to take off again when I heard the tower clear the C17
for a breakaway to the right. Hmm, I thought he was going to make a
full stop but he didnt. Because of his speed, he was already on base
again for 12 just as we were turning crosswind for 17R. Another C172
had joined us in the pattern at this time and they were in front of us
on downwind. I pointed out both A/C to my student and told him that I
did not like what I was seeing. The tower has said nothing to us or
the other 172 about the C17 and I felt that we were going to be close
to converging if we did not do something. I asked the tower for a
left 360, which he approved. As we were turning, I could see that the
C172 in front of us was still climbing above normal TPA. Then the C17
came barreling through on final. I then saw that the C172 passed just
above the C17 just barely and the C17 pilot calling tower and asked
him if he knew that there was a small cessna just 200-300 feet above
him. The tower did not answer. As the C17 landed, he again called
tower and asked if he knew about the plane and the tower confirmed he
did. About 5 minutes after that, there was a new voice on tower freq.
Maybe a coincedence but im sure someone got a phone call.

Scott D.

[Tom Sixkiller]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:U4vpc.6798$gr.526446@attbi_s52...
> > How long since your glasses have been checked? :~)
>
> Just got new ones.
>
> Now I can:
>
> a) See all the imperfections in the windshield MUCH more clearly...
> b) No longer read the sectional...
>
> :-(

References to Mr. Magoo respectfully withheld.

[Jay Honeck]

> References to Mr. Magoo respectfully withheld.

Thanks.

These damned eyes kept me from joining the Air Force, and odds are that
they'll eventually cost me my medical.

We'll just have to wait and see...

(*groan*)

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave Stadt]

"SD" <c o f l y i n g @ p c i s y s d o t n e t> wrote in message
...
> On 15 May 2004 05:04:37 GMT, Tony > wrote:
>
> >Have you came close to be in a mid air. Today was the most I flew in one
> >day around 6hours in the plane total and have never been closer to being
> >in a mid.
>
> Thats a lot better then what I saw today. I was with one of my
> students today in the pattern at KCOS doing touch and go's on 17R when
> a C17 Galaxy came in for a landing on 12. The controller told us that
> we were #2 for the intersection and to continue our downwind with the
> C17 being #1. Ok, I didnt have a problem with that, we were going to
> be way ahead of him so no problem. Then the controller asked us to do
> a short approach for 17R in front of the C17. Still no problem, its
> time for a simulated engine failure for my student. We got down ok,
> and proceeded to take off again when I heard the tower clear the C17
> for a breakaway to the right. Hmm, I thought he was going to make a
> full stop but he didnt. Because of his speed, he was already on base
> again for 12 just as we were turning crosswind for 17R. Another C172
> had joined us in the pattern at this time and they were in front of us
> on downwind. I pointed out both A/C to my student and told him that I
> did not like what I was seeing. The tower has said nothing to us or
> the other 172 about the C17 and I felt that we were going to be close
> to converging if we did not do something. I asked the tower for a
> left 360, which he approved. As we were turning, I could see that the
> C172 in front of us was still climbing above normal TPA. Then the C17
> came barreling through on final. I then saw that the C172 passed just
> above the C17 just barely and the C17 pilot calling tower and asked
> him if he knew that there was a small cessna just 200-300 feet above
> him. The tower did not answer. As the C17 landed, he again called
> tower and asked if he knew about the plane and the tower confirmed he
> did. About 5 minutes after that, there was a new voice on tower freq.
> Maybe a coincedence but im sure someone got a phone call.
>
> Scott D.

Was it a class B, C or D airport?

[G.R. Patterson III]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>
> These damned eyes kept me from joining the Air Force, and odds are that
> they'll eventually cost me my medical.

If you're nearsighted, don't worry about it. Over the next ten years, your eyes will
get better. Of course, you'll still need bifocals, progressives, or, at least,
reading glasses.

George Patterson
I childproofed my house, but they *still* get in.

[SD]

On Mon, 17 May 2004 00:49:32 GMT, "Dave Stadt" >
wrote:

>
>Was it a class B, C or D airport?
>

Class C.

Scott D.

[SKYKING195]

>
>These damned eyes kept me from joining the Air Force, and odds are that
>they'll eventually cost me my medical.
>

I wouldn't worry about your eyes costing you your medical if you have no eye
disease. Simple nearsightedness usually decreases slightly in your 40's and
beyond. Certain types of astigmatism can increases slightly though, but it is
correctable with glasses. You only have to see 20/40 with glasses to pass your
3rd class medical. It sounds like you are in need of bifocals if you cant read
the sectional after getting new glasses however.

Mtch, an eye doc.
Luscombe 8a,
cessna 195

[Dave Butler]

SD wrote:
> On 15 May 2004 05:04:37 GMT, Tony > wrote:
>
>
>>Have you came close to be in a mid air. Today was the most I flew in one
>>day around 6hours in the plane total and have never been closer to being
>>in a mid.
>
>
> Thats a lot better then what I saw today. I was with one of my
> students today in the pattern at KCOS doing touch and go's on 17R when
> a C17 Galaxy came in for a landing on 12. The controller told us that
> we were #2 for the intersection and to continue our downwind with the
> C17 being #1. Ok, I didnt have a problem with that, we were going to
> be way ahead of him so no problem. Then the controller asked us to do
> a short approach for 17R in front of the C17. Still no problem, its
> time for a simulated engine failure for my student. We got down ok,
> and proceeded to take off again when I heard the tower clear the C17
> for a breakaway to the right. Hmm, I thought he was going to make a
> full stop but he didnt. Because of his speed, he was already on base
> again for 12 just as we were turning crosswind for 17R. Another C172
> had joined us in the pattern at this time and they were in front of us
> on downwind. I pointed out both A/C to my student and told him that I
> did not like what I was seeing. The tower has said nothing to us or
> the other 172 about the C17 and I felt that we were going to be close
> to converging if we did not do something. I asked the tower for a
> left 360, which he approved. As we were turning, I could see that the
> C172 in front of us was still climbing above normal TPA. Then the C17
> came barreling through on final. I then saw that the C172 passed just
> above the C17 just barely and the C17 pilot calling tower and asked
> him if he knew that there was a small cessna just 200-300 feet above
> him. The tower did not answer. As the C17 landed, he again called
> tower and asked if he knew about the plane and the tower confirmed he
> did. About 5 minutes after that, there was a new voice on tower freq.
> Maybe a coincedence but im sure someone got a phone call.

Did the tower controller have some responsibility for separation?

Dave
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[Newps]

"Dave Butler" > wrote in message
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> Did the tower controller have some responsibility for separation?

Yes.

[Dave Butler]

Newps wrote:
> "Dave Butler" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>
>>Did the tower controller have some responsibility for separation?
>
>
> Yes.

OK, your credentials certainly trump mine when it comes to tower
responsibilities. Please enlighten me. I was thinking the tower was only
responsible for separation on the concrete, not in the pattern.

Dave
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[Newps]

"Dave Butler" > wrote in message
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> Newps wrote:
> > "Dave Butler" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> >
> >>Did the tower controller have some responsibility for separation?
> >
> >
> > Yes.
>
> OK, your credentials certainly trump mine when it comes to tower
> responsibilities. Please enlighten me. I was thinking the tower was only
> responsible for separation on the concrete, not in the pattern.



You can't launch a plane right at another plane and not say anything. The
FAA buys that airplane everytime.