Stolen Engines

[MontyJ]

The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
them? If they were shipped out overseas, would there also be a record?
Thanks.
Monty

[JDupre5762]

>The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
>years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
>serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
>could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
>them? If they were shipped out
>overseas, would there also be a record?

The original serial numbers of the engines installed would be in the records
from the manufacturer. If the engines were replaced rather than overhauled at
any time then the only records would be in the logbooks and the work order
records of the installing agency. There is no requirement to inform the FAA of
an engine change.

If the engines were modified with a form 337 filed that would be with the FAA
including the serial numbers.

If the engines were shipped out of the country the serial numbers would
probably be recorded by the shipping agency but they would not have to inform
the FAA. If the receiving country has similar import regulations to the US
then the engines would have to be re certified as airworthy before they could
be used but you would have to know what country they might have gone to.

John

[NW_PILOT]

This must be the airplane he is talking about

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2484168681

Ebay item #2484168681


"MontyJ" > wrote in message
om...
> The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
> years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
> serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
> could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
> them? If they were shipped out overseas, would there also be a record?
> Thanks.
> Monty

[Stu Gotts]

And that's about what it's worth right now.

On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:36:55 -0700, "NW_PILOT" > wrote:

>This must be the airplane he is talking about
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2484168681
>
>Ebay item #2484168681
>
>
>"MontyJ" > wrote in message
om...
>> The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
>> years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
>> serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
>> could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
>> them? If they were shipped out overseas, would there also be a record?
>> Thanks.
>> Monty
>

[Kyler Laird]

"NW_PILOT" > writes:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2484168681

1966 Piper Astek

Uh...yeah.

This plane was last used four years ago and has been sitting in the
air field since.Air frame wings,fuel tanks and landing gear are in
great shape.

Ha! I'd enjoy a demonstration of the fuel holding capabilities of those
bladders after having sat dry for four years.

--kyler

[MontyJ]

Stu Gotts > wrote in message >...
> And that's about what it's worth right now.
>
> On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:36:55 -0700, "NW_PILOT" > wrote:
>
> >This must be the airplane he is talking about
> >
> >http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=2484168681
> >
> >Ebay item #2484168681
> >
> >
> >"MontyJ" > wrote in message
> om...
> >> The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
> >> years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
> >> serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
> >> could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
> >> them? If they were shipped out overseas, would there also be a record?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Monty
> >

So I guess nobody knows a way to trace stolen engines. I suppose if
the owner gets a tip he can always check their engine serial number in
person, but that's about it. Is the FBO or airport liable for
vandalism or theft from aircraft which are paying to base at their
tiedowns?

[tom418]

Fuel Bladders? How are the avionics (or lack thereof)?

Like another poster said: $2k is all it's worth.
"Kyler Laird" > wrote in message
...
> "NW_PILOT" > writes:
>
>
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24841686
81
>
> 1966 Piper Astek
>
> Uh...yeah.
>
> This plane was last used four years ago and has been sitting in the
> air field since.Air frame wings,fuel tanks and landing gear are in
> great shape.
>
> Ha! I'd enjoy a demonstration of the fuel holding capabilities of those
> bladders after having sat dry for four years.
>
> --kyler

[Dave Stadt]

"MontyJ" > wrote in message
om...
> The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
> years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
> serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
> could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
> them? If they were shipped out overseas, would there also be a record?
> Thanks.
> Monty

The engines will probably end up on airboats.

[Dave Stadt]

"MontyJ" > wrote in message
om...
> Stu Gotts > wrote in message
>...
> > And that's about what it's worth right now.
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:36:55 -0700, "NW_PILOT" > wrote:
> >
> > >This must be the airplane he is talking about
> > >
> >
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24841686
81
> > >
> > >Ebay item #2484168681
> > >
> > >
> > >"MontyJ" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > >> The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
> > >> years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
> > >> serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
> > >> could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
> > >> them? If they were shipped out overseas, would there also be a
record?
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Monty
> > >
>
> So I guess nobody knows a way to trace stolen engines. I suppose if
> the owner gets a tip he can always check their engine serial number in
> person, but that's about it. Is the FBO or airport liable for
> vandalism or theft from aircraft which are paying to base at their
> tiedowns?

No

[Stu Gotts]

On 9 Jul 2004 19:18:27 -0700, (MontyJ) wrote:

>Stu Gotts > wrote in message >...
>> And that's about what it's worth right now.
>>
> So I guess nobody knows a way to trace stolen engines. I suppose if
>the owner gets a tip he can always check their engine serial number in
>person, but that's about it. Is the FBO or airport liable for
>vandalism or theft from aircraft which are paying to base at their
>tiedowns?

I guess the only way to do any type of trace would be through the NCIC
system that contains stolen item info. This was done by the police
department that investigated your case. Now I must think that the log
books were not with the engines when borrowed, so they're not worth
much, maybe only to homebuilders or as parts. They may be used as
factory cores, so it may help to contact the manufacturer with those
serial numbers.

[Kyler Laird]

"tom418" > writes:

>> Ha! I'd enjoy a demonstration of the fuel holding capabilities of those
>> bladders after having sat dry for four years.

>Fuel Bladders? How are the avionics (or lack thereof)?

But the seller doesn't claim that the avionics are "in great shape."

I've flown without avionics for years. Flying with cracked fuel bladders
would be much different.

I doubt, however, that anyone is likely to be dumb enough (like me) to try
strapping two new engines on this plane. It's parts.

>Like another poster said: $2k is all it's worth.

There are eight days to go. I suspect it's worth more.

--kyler

[NW_PILOT]

Wonder if the person had insurance?


"MontyJ" > wrote in message
om...
> Stu Gotts > wrote in message
>...
> > And that's about what it's worth right now.
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:36:55 -0700, "NW_PILOT" > wrote:
> >
> > >This must be the airplane he is talking about
> > >
> >
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24841686
81
> > >
> > >Ebay item #2484168681
> > >
> > >
> > >"MontyJ" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > >> The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
> > >> years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
> > >> serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
> > >> could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
> > >> them? If they were shipped out overseas, would there also be a
record?
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Monty
> > >
>
> So I guess nobody knows a way to trace stolen engines. I suppose if
> the owner gets a tip he can always check their engine serial number in
> person, but that's about it. Is the FBO or airport liable for
> vandalism or theft from aircraft which are paying to base at their
> tiedowns?

[Jim Carter]

From the looks of the panel, the thieves got a lot more than just the
engines.

--
Jim Carter
"MontyJ" > wrote in message
om...
> Stu Gotts > wrote in message
>...
> > And that's about what it's worth right now.
> >
> > On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 15:36:55 -0700, "NW_PILOT" > wrote:
> >
> > >This must be the airplane he is talking about
> > >
> >
>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=24841686
81
> > >
> > >Ebay item #2484168681
> > >
> > >
> > >"MontyJ" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > >> The engines/props were stolen off a twin that had been sitting for 4
> > >> years (the auction of the plane is on Ebay). Just wondering if the
> > >> serial numbers are in a FAA or maintenance database somewhere and
> > >> could be traced as to where they are now. Any other ideas how to find
> > >> them? If they were shipped out overseas, would there also be a
record?
> > >> Thanks.
> > >> Monty
> > >
>
> So I guess nobody knows a way to trace stolen engines. I suppose if
> the owner gets a tip he can always check their engine serial number in
> person, but that's about it. Is the FBO or airport liable for
> vandalism or theft from aircraft which are paying to base at their
> tiedowns?

[Matthew P. Cummings]

On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:09:09 +0000, Kyler Laird wrote:

> There are eight days to go. I suspect it's worth more.

Only because it's on Ebay. Have you ever noticed many of the things that
sell on Ebay can be purchased new for less money?

[NW_PILOT]

"Matthew P. Cummings" > wrote in message
ray.net...
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:09:09 +0000, Kyler Laird wrote:
>
> > There are eight days to go. I suspect it's worth more.
>
> Only because it's on Ebay. Have you ever noticed many of the things that
> sell on Ebay can be purchased new for less money?
>

Yes I have, and all I have to say about it is "Caveat Emptor"

[Kyler Laird]

"Matthew P. Cummings" > writes:

>On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:09:09 +0000, Kyler Laird wrote:

>> There are eight days to go. I suspect it's worth more.

>Only because it's on Ebay. Have you ever noticed many of the things that
>sell on Ebay can be purchased new for less money?

They can be stolen for even less. Does it matter?

I use "worth" to mean "what someone's willing to pay." E-bay is a fairly
good tool for determining that.

Your valuation of the object has minimal impact on the rest of us.

--kyler

[Dave Stadt]

"Matthew P. Cummings" > wrote in message
ray.net...
> On Sat, 10 Jul 2004 12:09:09 +0000, Kyler Laird wrote:
>
> > There are eight days to go. I suspect it's worth more.
>
> Only because it's on Ebay. Have you ever noticed many of the things that
> sell on Ebay can be purchased new for less money?


And just as many items sell for less than a reasonable price and many go
unsold. Nobody seems to mention that side of the coin very often.