t-hangar and ice

[Bob Noel]

In preparation for winter, I have a question.

the situation: T-hangar with bi-fold doors. Run-off from the roof
collects in front of the hangar door (because the tarmac doesn't
slope away from the hangar - in fact there is a slight dip in
front of the hangar). In the winter, water collects and then
freezes. Eventually the water penetrates under the door and
freezes inside the hangar. The result is a patch of ice about
4 to 6 feet wide, about half inside and half outside the door.
(imagine walking into a dark hangar and having black ice just
inside the door - weeeeee!!! splat!)

The best that Massport has come up with to date is to leave
the door slightly up so that the door won't freeze to the ground.
This does nothing with respect to being able to push/pull the
airplane in/out of the hangar.

Are there any suggestions on how to deal with ice in front
of the door?

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

[Dave Stadt]

"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
>
> In preparation for winter, I have a question.
>
> the situation: T-hangar with bi-fold doors. Run-off from the roof
> collects in front of the hangar door (because the tarmac doesn't
> slope away from the hangar - in fact there is a slight dip in
> front of the hangar). In the winter, water collects and then
> freezes. Eventually the water penetrates under the door and
> freezes inside the hangar. The result is a patch of ice about
> 4 to 6 feet wide, about half inside and half outside the door.
> (imagine walking into a dark hangar and having black ice just
> inside the door - weeeeee!!! splat!)
>
> The best that Massport has come up with to date is to leave
> the door slightly up so that the door won't freeze to the ground.
> This does nothing with respect to being able to push/pull the
> airplane in/out of the hangar.
>
> Are there any suggestions on how to deal with ice in front
> of the door?
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
> oh yeah baby.

Buy an east facing hangar. In IL we have the same problem. Only known cure
is an east facing door. The morning and early afternoon sun keeps them free
of ice while west facing have a constant battle to get rid of the ridge of
ice. I would guess north facing would have the same problem. South facing
should be fine also.

[Ben Jackson]

In article >,
Bob Noel > wrote:
>
>Are there any suggestions on how to deal with ice in front
>of the door?

You could get a rubber matt with relatively open grid/hex pattern that's
thicker than the expected ice accumulation so that even if 1/2" of ice
builds up there is some bit of rubber sticking through.

--
Ben Jackson
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "Dave
Stadt" > wrote:

> > Are there any suggestions on how to deal with ice in front
> > of the door?
>
> Buy an east facing hangar. [snip]

unfortunately, it is an east facing hangar. Well, it's more
like northeast. :-(

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

[Bob Noel]

In article <cMhbd.251848$3l3.106279@attbi_s03>, (Ben
Jackson) wrote:

> >Are there any suggestions on how to deal with ice in front
> >of the door?
>
> You could get a rubber matt with relatively open grid/hex pattern that's
> thicker than the expected ice accumulation so that even if 1/2" of ice
> builds up there is some bit of rubber sticking through.

hmmm. I think that should work for just inside the entrance door.
Unfortunately last winter I saw ice outside the hangar that was
at least 2" thick. But I like the idea of not slipping on ice
inside my hangar.

Thanks

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

[john smith]

Get a couple bags of pea gravel and sand, spread it in the low spot to
deflect the water away from the hangar.

Bob Noel wrote:
> In preparation for winter, I have a question.
>
> the situation: T-hangar with bi-fold doors. Run-off from the roof
> collects in front of the hangar door (because the tarmac doesn't
> slope away from the hangar - in fact there is a slight dip in
> front of the hangar). In the winter, water collects and then
> freezes. Eventually the water penetrates under the door and
> freezes inside the hangar. The result is a patch of ice about
> 4 to 6 feet wide, about half inside and half outside the door.
> (imagine walking into a dark hangar and having black ice just
> inside the door - weeeeee!!! splat!)
>
> The best that Massport has come up with to date is to leave
> the door slightly up so that the door won't freeze to the ground.
> This does nothing with respect to being able to push/pull the
> airplane in/out of the hangar.
>
> Are there any suggestions on how to deal with ice in front
> of the door?
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Get a couple bags of pea gravel and sand, spread it in the low spot to
> deflect the water away from the hangar.

Under NO circumstances should you spread pea gravel or sand in front of your
hangar door.

Our hangar neighbor did that last year, and that damned stuff ended up all
over our tarmac. Can you say "sandblasted"?

You can get the same result with a few bags of asphalt patch, which is more
durable and won't blow away.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[BTIZ]

>
> You can get the same result with a few bags of asphalt patch, which is
> more durable and won't blow away.
> --

I don't think MASSPORT would appreciate him modifying the local tarmac.

Maybe some kitty litter for the inside.. and sweep it up as soon as the ice
is gone.. save it for re-use. Put nothing down outside you would not want
another aircraft to blow into your airplane.

JM2C
BT

[Roger]

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:59:28 GMT, Bob Noel
> wrote:

>
>In preparation for winter, I have a question.
>
>the situation: T-hangar with bi-fold doors. Run-off from the roof
>collects in front of the hangar door (because the tarmac doesn't
>slope away from the hangar - in fact there is a slight dip in
>front of the hangar). In the winter, water collects and then
>freezes. Eventually the water penetrates under the door and
>freezes inside the hangar. The result is a patch of ice about
>4 to 6 feet wide, about half inside and half outside the door.
>(imagine walking into a dark hangar and having black ice just
>inside the door - weeeeee!!! splat!)
>
When I had the Deb in a hanger like that I picked up a couple pieces
of carpet. When needed I'd throw them down in front of the plane, or
where ever they were needed. They even gave my little tug good
traction.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com


>The best that Massport has come up with to date is to leave
>the door slightly up so that the door won't freeze to the ground.
>This does nothing with respect to being able to push/pull the
>airplane in/out of the hangar.
>
>Are there any suggestions on how to deal with ice in front
>of the door?

[Bob Noel]

In article >, Roger
> wrote:

> When I had the Deb in a hanger like that I picked up a couple pieces
> of carpet. When needed I'd throw them down in front of the plane, or
> where ever they were needed. They even gave my little tug good
> traction.

How come the rug didn't slip?

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.

[john smith]

If you get crushed limestone, water and pressure (roll it) will cause it
to compact into a solid mass.

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>Get a couple bags of pea gravel and sand, spread it in the low spot to
>>deflect the water away from the hangar.
>
>
> Under NO circumstances should you spread pea gravel or sand in front of your
> hangar door.
>
> Our hangar neighbor did that last year, and that damned stuff ended up all
> over our tarmac. Can you say "sandblasted"?
>
> You can get the same result with a few bags of asphalt patch, which is more
> durable and won't blow away.

[OtisWinslow]

Sprinkle ice melt on the floor. I just buy the big bags and keep it
in a 5 gal bucket with a scoop.



"Bob Noel" > wrote in message
...
>
> In preparation for winter, I have a question.
>
> the situation: T-hangar with bi-fold doors. Run-off from the roof
> collects in front of the hangar door (because the tarmac doesn't
> slope away from the hangar - in fact there is a slight dip in
> front of the hangar). In the winter, water collects and then
> freezes. Eventually the water penetrates under the door and
> freezes inside the hangar. The result is a patch of ice about
> 4 to 6 feet wide, about half inside and half outside the door.
> (imagine walking into a dark hangar and having black ice just
> inside the door - weeeeee!!! splat!)
>
> The best that Massport has come up with to date is to leave
> the door slightly up so that the door won't freeze to the ground.
> This does nothing with respect to being able to push/pull the
> airplane in/out of the hangar.
>
> Are there any suggestions on how to deal with ice in front
> of the door?
>
> --
> Bob Noel
> Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
> oh yeah baby.

[Jay Honeck]

> Sprinkle ice melt on the floor. I just buy the big bags and keep it
> in a 5 gal bucket with a scoop.

???

What kind of ice melt can you use around your plane?

The only stuff I've seen eats aluminum.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Bob Noel]

In article >, "OtisWinslow"
> wrote:

> Sprinkle ice melt on the floor. I just buy the big bags and keep it
> in a 5 gal bucket with a scoop.
>
>

what kind of ice melt?

--
Bob Noel
Seen on Kerry's campaign airplane: "the real deal"
oh yeah baby.