Story from an older pilot 74

[Hankal]

Took off Saturday morning at 6:30 still very dark. Got my IFR clearance in the
air and soon was in solid IMC. Some clouds were nasty black. Got course
deviation don't like to bounce my plane around. 2 hours into the flight the
clouds were not as nasty. 30 minutes later I landed at SGJ for fuel. Always
pick the lowest price.
Then back up with a new clearance to 3J7. Weather stared to improve, just a lot
of haze.
Plugged the tape recorder in sat back and enjoyed the flight for 2.5 hours.
Departed 3j7 for 52A best fuel price. After I landed I ask some guy in his
hangar where I could tie down for the night. Had reservation at the Days Inn
which is about 4 miles from the airport. The fellows name is Jim and he ask
what I and my buddy are going to do in while in town, I said SLEEP. He had a
pickup truck and said he would give us a ride. I secured the plane and put my
bags in the bed of the pickup. He then opened his hangar and ask if I had a
drivers license, of course I have one, he backed out his LEXUS and gave me the
keys, said have fun. I did not believe he would trust me with his vehicle, I am
a total stranger.
I told him you would never see this down in Florida, he just grinned. He also
gave me the clicker which opens the gate. Good thing since the airport is
closed on Sundays and there is no way I could get to my plane the following
day.
We went into town, sign into the motel and filled his car with high test
(LEXUS)
The next morning we departed 52A in the dark and before long were in solid IMC
again. Got my clearance from ATL and flew back to SGJ. Went in between cloud
layer of 7000 and 9000. Just as we got to Jax the GPS failed, I tried to get it
back on line to no avail, so It was VOR to VOR. After shooting the ILS at SGJ
we departed for PHK. Again some IMC, but it was smooth, Got home just in time
to have lunch with my better half. Still can't believe this fellow lending me
his LEXUS. Show you that some pilots trust other pilots,
Hank N1441P

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On 26 Oct 2004 00:38:17 GMT, (Hankal) wrote:

Had a guy loan me his car too after landing at a far away, strange (to
me) airport.

He didn't know me from a ghost, but loaned me a vehicle worth $20K
(or whatever it was) anyway. I can only hope to return the favor some
day....

Bela P. Havasreti

>Took off Saturday morning at 6:30 still very dark. Got my IFR clearance in the
>air and soon was in solid IMC. Some clouds were nasty black. Got course
>deviation don't like to bounce my plane around. 2 hours into the flight the
>clouds were not as nasty. 30 minutes later I landed at SGJ for fuel. Always
>pick the lowest price.
>Then back up with a new clearance to 3J7. Weather stared to improve, just a lot
>of haze.
>Plugged the tape recorder in sat back and enjoyed the flight for 2.5 hours.
>Departed 3j7 for 52A best fuel price. After I landed I ask some guy in his
>hangar where I could tie down for the night. Had reservation at the Days Inn
>which is about 4 miles from the airport. The fellows name is Jim and he ask
>what I and my buddy are going to do in while in town, I said SLEEP. He had a
>pickup truck and said he would give us a ride. I secured the plane and put my
>bags in the bed of the pickup. He then opened his hangar and ask if I had a
>drivers license, of course I have one, he backed out his LEXUS and gave me the
>keys, said have fun. I did not believe he would trust me with his vehicle, I am
>a total stranger.
>I told him you would never see this down in Florida, he just grinned. He also
>gave me the clicker which opens the gate. Good thing since the airport is
>closed on Sundays and there is no way I could get to my plane the following
>day.
>We went into town, sign into the motel and filled his car with high test
>(LEXUS)
>The next morning we departed 52A in the dark and before long were in solid IMC
>again. Got my clearance from ATL and flew back to SGJ. Went in between cloud
>layer of 7000 and 9000. Just as we got to Jax the GPS failed, I tried to get it
>back on line to no avail, so It was VOR to VOR. After shooting the ILS at SGJ
>we departed for PHK. Again some IMC, but it was smooth, Got home just in time
>to have lunch with my better half. Still can't believe this fellow lending me
>his LEXUS. Show you that some pilots trust other pilots,
>Hank N1441P

[Jay Honeck]

> Show you that some pilots trust other pilots

Well, Hank, for over two years we've been lending our $40K full-sized Ford
custom van to pilots from all over the world, sight unseen. Often we'll
just tell them to leave it at the airport when they're ready to leave, and
either leave the keys up in the visor, or with the FBO.

We've never had any damage, nor have I had to buy gas -- ever. Pilots are
good people.

Thanks for the great story...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[ShawnD2112]

"Hi test"! No there's a throwback!

Thanks for a great story Hankal. Kinda reminds us there still are good
people out there.

Shawn
"Hankal" > wrote in message
...
> Took off Saturday morning at 6:30 still very dark. Got my IFR clearance in
> the
> air and soon was in solid IMC. Some clouds were nasty black. Got course
> deviation don't like to bounce my plane around. 2 hours into the flight
> the
> clouds were not as nasty. 30 minutes later I landed at SGJ for fuel.
> Always
> pick the lowest price.
> Then back up with a new clearance to 3J7. Weather stared to improve, just
> a lot
> of haze.
> Plugged the tape recorder in sat back and enjoyed the flight for 2.5
> hours.
> Departed 3j7 for 52A best fuel price. After I landed I ask some guy in his
> hangar where I could tie down for the night. Had reservation at the Days
> Inn
> which is about 4 miles from the airport. The fellows name is Jim and he
> ask
> what I and my buddy are going to do in while in town, I said SLEEP. He had
> a
> pickup truck and said he would give us a ride. I secured the plane and put
> my
> bags in the bed of the pickup. He then opened his hangar and ask if I had
> a
> drivers license, of course I have one, he backed out his LEXUS and gave me
> the
> keys, said have fun. I did not believe he would trust me with his vehicle,
> I am
> a total stranger.
> I told him you would never see this down in Florida, he just grinned. He
> also
> gave me the clicker which opens the gate. Good thing since the airport is
> closed on Sundays and there is no way I could get to my plane the
> following
> day.
> We went into town, sign into the motel and filled his car with high test
> (LEXUS)
> The next morning we departed 52A in the dark and before long were in solid
> IMC
> again. Got my clearance from ATL and flew back to SGJ. Went in between
> cloud
> layer of 7000 and 9000. Just as we got to Jax the GPS failed, I tried to
> get it
> back on line to no avail, so It was VOR to VOR. After shooting the ILS at
> SGJ
> we departed for PHK. Again some IMC, but it was smooth, Got home just in
> time
> to have lunch with my better half. Still can't believe this fellow lending
> me
> his LEXUS. Show you that some pilots trust other pilots,
> Hank N1441P

[Marco Leon]

Hey Hank, what happened to the GPS? RAIM notification or did it go blank?
Also, what kind?

Don't hear about GPS failures often.

Marco


"Hankal" > wrote in message
...
> Took off Saturday morning at 6:30 still very dark. Got my IFR clearance in
the
> air and soon was in solid IMC. Some clouds were nasty black. Got course
> deviation don't like to bounce my plane around. 2 hours into the flight
the
> clouds were not as nasty. 30 minutes later I landed at SGJ for fuel.
Always
> pick the lowest price.
> Then back up with a new clearance to 3J7. Weather stared to improve, just
a lot
> of haze.
> Plugged the tape recorder in sat back and enjoyed the flight for 2.5
hours.
> Departed 3j7 for 52A best fuel price. After I landed I ask some guy in his
> hangar where I could tie down for the night. Had reservation at the Days
Inn
> which is about 4 miles from the airport. The fellows name is Jim and he
ask
> what I and my buddy are going to do in while in town, I said SLEEP. He had
a
> pickup truck and said he would give us a ride. I secured the plane and put
my
> bags in the bed of the pickup. He then opened his hangar and ask if I had
a
> drivers license, of course I have one, he backed out his LEXUS and gave me
the
> keys, said have fun. I did not believe he would trust me with his vehicle,
I am
> a total stranger.
> I told him you would never see this down in Florida, he just grinned. He
also
> gave me the clicker which opens the gate. Good thing since the airport is
> closed on Sundays and there is no way I could get to my plane the
following
> day.
> We went into town, sign into the motel and filled his car with high test
> (LEXUS)
> The next morning we departed 52A in the dark and before long were in solid
IMC
> again. Got my clearance from ATL and flew back to SGJ. Went in between
cloud
> layer of 7000 and 9000. Just as we got to Jax the GPS failed, I tried to
get it
> back on line to no avail, so It was VOR to VOR. After shooting the ILS at
SGJ
> we departed for PHK. Again some IMC, but it was smooth, Got home just in
time
> to have lunch with my better half. Still can't believe this fellow lending
me
> his LEXUS. Show you that some pilots trust other pilots,
> Hank N1441P

[Hankal]

>We've never had any damage, nor have I had to buy gas -- ever. Pilots are
>good people.

I kind of understand that in Iowa, folks there do not have to lock their doors,
beacuse they do not have the criminals that we have on the East coast.

[Hankal]

>what happened to the GPS? RAIM notification or did it go blank?
>Also, what kind?
>
>Don't hear about GPS failures often.

I is an AvMap with the Gold upgrade.
Have had my share of problems with this unit. Mostly it is with the up grade
card.
Then I had the unit go bad, another time the power cord had an internal short.
The unit just goes blank with lots of yellow, blue and green lines. If I do a "
Ram clear" the unit works fine again, but I would have lost all my flight
plans.
It is back in the shop. Let's see what they diagnose the problem this time.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Hankal wrote:
>
> >We've never had any damage, nor have I had to buy gas -- ever. Pilots are
> >good people.
>
> I kind of understand that in Iowa, folks there do not have to lock their doors,
> beacuse they do not have the criminals that we have on the East coast.

As Carl Hiaasen puts it, criminals tend to avoid places like that because the prybars
freeze to their hands most of the year. :-)

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[Newps]

G.R. Patterson III wrote:
>
> Hankal wrote:
>
>>>We've never had any damage, nor have I had to buy gas -- ever. Pilots are
>>>good people.
>>
>>I kind of understand that in Iowa, folks there do not have to lock their doors,
>>beacuse they do not have the criminals that we have on the East coast.
>
>
> As Carl Hiaasen puts it, criminals tend to avoid places like that because the prybars
> freeze to their hands most of the year. :-)

Actually it's because we shoot their sorry asses and they know it.

[john smith]

What would you expect from a Windows OS unit?

Hankal wrote:
> I is an AvMap with the Gold upgrade.
> Have had my share of problems with this unit. Mostly it is with the up grade
> card.
> Then I had the unit go bad, another time the power cord had an internal short.
> The unit just goes blank with lots of yellow, blue and green lines. If I do a "
> Ram clear" the unit works fine again, but I would have lost all my flight
> plans.
> It is back in the shop. Let's see what they diagnose the problem this time.

[Matt Whiting]

G.R. Patterson III wrote:

>
> Hankal wrote:
>
>>>We've never had any damage, nor have I had to buy gas -- ever. Pilots are
>>>good people.
>>
>>I kind of understand that in Iowa, folks there do not have to lock their doors,
>>beacuse they do not have the criminals that we have on the East coast.
>
>
> As Carl Hiaasen puts it, criminals tend to avoid places like that because the prybars
> freeze to their hands most of the year. :-)

And, like here in PA, they find that too much lead isn't good for your
health.


Matt

[Hankal]

>What would you expect from a Windows OS unit?

What makes you so sure that it would not happen with a Garmin?

[Jay Honeck]

> The unit just goes blank with lots of yellow, blue and green lines. If I
> do a "
> Ram clear" the unit works fine again, but I would have lost all my flight
> plans.

I had this happen to mine a couple of times. Although "clear starting it"
always solved the problem, the ultimate fix was a software upgrade that
AvMap did for free at OSH '04.

I'm surprised and disappointed to hear about the other problems. Ours has
been absolutely bullet-proof, and the unit seems to be built like a tank.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Marco Leon]

I am assuming you're referring to the IFR panel units. Garmin benefits from
a stringent certifaction and quality assurance process for IFR certified GPS
systems. Avmap does not produce systems for IFR usage. An error like that
occurring on a GNS 430/530 would be big news and most likely end up as an
AD. As for their handhelds (non-IFR), they will benefit from an
engineering/QA staff experienced with TSO-C129 and TSO 146 certification
processes.

Marco


"Hankal" > wrote in message
...
> >What would you expect from a Windows OS unit?
>
> What makes you so sure that it would not happen with a Garmin?

[WARREN1157]

>Don't hear about GPS failures often.
>

You must not run Palm Pilots.

[Marco Leon]

Maybe that's why ;) From his original post, it sounded like Hank was using
his GPS for primary navigation in IMC because when it failed, he then went
"VOR to VOR." The [legal] GPS units that allow you to do that rarely fail.

Marco


"WARREN1157" > wrote in message
...
> >Don't hear about GPS failures often.
> >
>
> You must not run Palm Pilots.

[Hankal]

> From his original post, it sounded like Hank was using
>his GPS for primary navigation in IMC because when it failed, he then went
>"VOR to VOR." The [legal] GPS units that allow you to do that rarely fail.

Marco.
To set the record straight I was using both VOR'S for primary navigation.
I was using the GPS as seconday and intersection awareness.
As a matter of fact the day before my copilot ask me what I would do if my GPS
failed. My answer was VOR to VOR to stay on airways.
Hank

[Marco Leon]

Sorry Hank. Didn't mean to imply that you were not legal. The way you wrote
the post implied that it was an action-reaction.

Regards,

Marco

"Hankal" > wrote in message
...
> > From his original post, it sounded like Hank was using
> >his GPS for primary navigation in IMC because when it failed, he then
went
> >"VOR to VOR." The [legal] GPS units that allow you to do that rarely
fail.
>
> Marco.
> To set the record straight I was using both VOR'S for primary navigation.
> I was using the GPS as seconday and intersection awareness.
> As a matter of fact the day before my copilot ask me what I would do if my
GPS
> failed. My answer was VOR to VOR to stay on airways.
> Hank