Sources for retread tires??

[Jim Burns]

We're looking for sources to buy a set of retread 700 x 6 8 ply tires from.
The guy we bought our Aztec from only had 6 ply tires on the main gear. 6
plys aren't rated high enough for our gross weight and the POH clearly calls
for 8 plys.

There seems to be a shortage of 8 ply cases in this particular size. Desser
and Wilkerson are both out. If anybody has any good sources for retreads,
I'd appreciate hearing from the group. OR if anybody has any name brand
used tires I'd be interested in buying them to have them retreaded. Aztecs
seem to be one of the only airplanes running this particular size/ply
combination.

Also, if anybody with a Bonanza, Maule, Rockwell Commander, Citabria, or
Apache needs some 700 x 6 6 plys, I've got 3 that have about 75% tread on
them.

Jim



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[Louis L. Perley III]

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> We're looking for sources to buy a set of retread 700 x 6 8 ply tires
from.
> The guy we bought our Aztec from only had 6 ply tires on the main gear. 6
> plys aren't rated high enough for our gross weight and the POH clearly
calls
> for 8 plys.
>
> There seems to be a shortage of 8 ply cases in this particular size.
Desser
> and Wilkerson are both out. If anybody has any good sources for retreads,
> I'd appreciate hearing from the group. OR if anybody has any name brand
> used tires I'd be interested in buying them to have them retreaded.
Aztecs
> seem to be one of the only airplanes running this particular size/ply
> combination.
>
> Also, if anybody with a Bonanza, Maule, Rockwell Commander, Citabria, or
> Apache needs some 700 x 6 6 plys, I've got 3 that have about 75% tread on
> them.
>
> Jim
>
>

Well Jim, I'll ask my mechanic, because they just ordered me a pair and
while they did have some difficulty, they did find them (didn't ask if they
are retreads or not). Both my mains were ruined because someone forgot a
shim in the brake system or something like that, so they were rubbing a
groove on the inside of the tire. I'll post/email you details after I speak
with my A & P this morning.

--
Louis L. Perley III
N46000 - C152
N370 - PA-23-250

[Jim Burns]

Thanks Louis, new tires are easy enough to find, but retreads seem to be
impossible.
I'm also interested in how your annual went!
Thanks again,
Jim

"Louis L. Perley III" > wrote in message
...
> "Jim Burns" > wrote in message
> ...
> > We're looking for sources to buy a set of retread 700 x 6 8 ply tires
> from.
> > The guy we bought our Aztec from only had 6 ply tires on the main gear.
6
> > plys aren't rated high enough for our gross weight and the POH clearly
> calls
> > for 8 plys.
> >
> > There seems to be a shortage of 8 ply cases in this particular size.
> Desser
> > and Wilkerson are both out. If anybody has any good sources for
retreads,
> > I'd appreciate hearing from the group. OR if anybody has any name brand
> > used tires I'd be interested in buying them to have them retreaded.
> Aztecs
> > seem to be one of the only airplanes running this particular size/ply
> > combination.
> >
> > Also, if anybody with a Bonanza, Maule, Rockwell Commander, Citabria, or
> > Apache needs some 700 x 6 6 plys, I've got 3 that have about 75% tread
on
> > them.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
>
> Well Jim, I'll ask my mechanic, because they just ordered me a pair and
> while they did have some difficulty, they did find them (didn't ask if
they
> are retreads or not). Both my mains were ruined because someone forgot a
> shim in the brake system or something like that, so they were rubbing a
> groove on the inside of the tire. I'll post/email you details after I
speak
> with my A & P this morning.
>
> --
> Louis L. Perley III
> N46000 - C152
> N370 - PA-23-250
>
>


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[William Boelte]

Had the same problem with retreads for the Stearman- we have BT-13 wheels-
so we sent the tires off to Desser to be re-treaded. The airplane was down
for about two weeks. Since it was December and too cold to fly this wasn't a
problem. We paid less than half compared to new tires.

Bill


"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks Louis, new tires are easyenough to find, but retreads seem to be
> impossible.
> I'm also interested in how your annual went!
> Thanks again,
> Jim
>
> "Louis L. Perley III" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Jim Burns" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > We're looking for sources to buy a set of retread 700 x 6 8 ply tires
>> from.
>> > The guy we bought our Aztec from only had 6 ply tires on the main gear.
> 6
>> > plys aren't rated high enough for our gross weight and the POH clearly
>> calls
>> > for 8 plys.
>> >
>> > There seems to be a shortage of 8 ply cases in this particular size.
>> Desser
>> > and Wilkerson are both out. If anybody has any good sources for
> retreads,
>> > I'd appreciate hearing from the group. OR if anybody has any name
>> > brand
>> > used tires I'd be interested in buying them to have them retreaded.
>> Aztecs
>> > seem to be one of the only airplanes running this particular size/ply
>> > combination.
>> >
>> > Also, if anybody with a Bonanza, Maule, Rockwell Commander, Citabria,
>> > or
>> > Apache needs some 700 x 6 6 plys, I've got 3 that have about 75% tread
> on
>> > them.
>> >
>> > Jim
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Well Jim, I'll ask my mechanic, because they just ordered me a pair and
>> while they did have some difficulty, they did find them (didn't ask if
> they
>> are retreads or not). Both my mains were ruined because someone forgot a
>> shim in the brake system or something like that, so they were rubbing a
>> groove on the inside of the tire. I'll post/email you details after I
> speak
>> with my A & P this morning.
>>
>> --
>> Louis L. Perley III
>> N46000 - C152
>> N370 - PA-23-250
>>
>>
>
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[Louis L. Perley III]

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks Louis, new tires are easy enough to find, but retreads seem to be
> impossible.
> I'm also interested in how your annual went!
> Thanks again,
> Jim
>

Annual report is coming soon. I was told by my mechanic that retread tires
are not allowed in my Aztec according to the manual. They actually thought
that this was generally the case with all retractable gear aircraft. In
light of this, I am putting new tires on the mains. My aircraft also allows
for either 7.00 x 6 in 6 or 8 ply, which I thought was interesting. I'll be
putting on the 8 ply just to be safe (and the price isn't all that much
different either)


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Louis L. Perley III
N46000 - C152
N370 - PA-23-250

[Jim Burns]

> Annual report is coming soon. I was told by my mechanic that retread tires
> are not allowed in my Aztec according to the manual. They actually thought
> that this was generally the case with all retractable gear aircraft. In
> light of this, I am putting new tires on the mains. My aircraft also
allows
> for either 7.00 x 6 in 6 or 8 ply, which I thought was interesting. I'll
be
> putting on the 8 ply just to be safe (and the price isn't all that much
> different either)
>

I see you've got a 1965 Aztec, I don't know what the gross weight is, but
our '66 can't use the 6 plys because they are only rated at 1900 lbs each,
or 3800 lbs total, the 8 plys are rated at 2250 each, 4500 lbs total. As
far as all retractable gear aircraft not being able to use retreads, that's
a myth as most retractable gear airplanes actually do use retreads ie. the
airlines. There is an FAA AC that advises when installing retreads on
retractable gear planes to do a gear swing and make sure they fit in the
wells and to be carefull that the sidewalls do not overswell do to heat
build up on take off runs. There is no mention of retread tires in our POH
or in the manual for the Cessna R182 we flew.

We still haven't found any retreads and have ordered new tires which will
provide us with good cases for future retreading.


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[Louis L. Perley III]

> I see you've got a 1965 Aztec, I don't know what the gross weight is, but
> our '66 can't use the 6 plys because they are only rated at 1900 lbs each,
> or 3800 lbs total, the 8 plys are rated at 2250 each, 4500 lbs total. As
> far as all retractable gear aircraft not being able to use retreads,
that's
> a myth as most retractable gear airplanes actually do use retreads ie. the
> airlines. There is an FAA AC that advises when installing retreads on
> retractable gear planes to do a gear swing and make sure they fit in the
> wells and to be carefull that the sidewalls do not overswell do to heat
> build up on take off runs. There is no mention of retread tires in our
POH
> or in the manual for the Cessna R182 we flew.
>
> We still haven't found any retreads and have ordered new tires which will
> provide us with good cases for future retreading.
>
>

It's in the service manual that I have for the airplane, but then again,
that service manual was written 30 some years ago, so maybe retreads weren't
as good back then as they are now so there were more problems with the tires
getting stuck in the wheel wells, etc. The Goodyear tires that I ordered are
rated at 2550 Lbs for the 8 ply. I noticed that the Goodyear speed rating is
higher than those made by others, then again, I doubt I'll ever land the
Aztec at 160 MPH which is what they're rated for. If I land that fast, the
tires would be the least of my worries :)

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Louis L. Perley III
N46000 - C152
N370 - PA-23-250

[Jim Burns]

Thanks, I'm going to check the service manual for ours tonight to see if it
mentions retreads. I ended up with Michelin tires, and like yours, the 8
plys were rated to 2550. My earlier post stating 2250 was slightly
dyslexic.

Jim


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[Louis L. Perley III]

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks, I'm going to check the service manual for ours tonight to see if
it
> mentions retreads. I ended up with Michelin tires, and like yours, the 8
> plys were rated to 2550. My earlier post stating 2250 was slightly
> dyslexic.
>
> Jim
>

Any idea how to determine what the Gross Weight on the aircraft is? I
know that Piper made 4400, 4800, and 5200 pound models, and they aren't in
any specific serial number ranges as far as I can tell. It would appear that
it depended on what was ordered at the time, and I've not seen any list of
what the various differences were so that I could make some sort of
determination that way. I've been searching, but have not yet been able to
determine anywhere what the gross weight is on my airframe.

--
Louis L. Perley III
N46000 - C152
N370 - PA-23-250

[Bushy]

>, then again, I doubt I'll ever land the
> Aztec at 160 MPH which is what they're rated for. If I land that fast, the
> tires would be the least of my worries :)
>


But you might also want to check the skid rating for those wild croswind
landings!

Pete

[Jim Burns]

The gross weight should be in the identification and specs section or page
of the Flight Manual that is specific to your airplane. It should have the
serial number of your plane on this page. It should also be listed in your
W&B section and may be indicated in the charts as an upper weight limit
line. Double check that the charts match the gross weight listed in the
specs. On ours, there is also an AD that gives us a "Zero Fuel" weight
lower than gross, I believe it's 4400 lbs meaning that with empty tanks we
can only load it to 4400 lbs, then the rest has to be fuel up to 5200.

Jim


"Louis L. Perley III" > wrote in message
...
> "Jim Burns" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Thanks, I'm going to check the service manual for ours tonight to see if
> it
> > mentions retreads. I ended up with Michelin tires, and like yours, the
8
> > plys were rated to 2550. My earlier post stating 2250 was slightly
> > dyslexic.
> >
> > Jim
> >
>
> Any idea how to determine what the Gross Weight on the aircraft is? I
> know that Piper made 4400, 4800, and 5200 pound models, and they aren't in
> any specific serial number ranges as far as I can tell. It would appear
that
> it depended on what was ordered at the time, and I've not seen any list of
> what the various differences were so that I could make some sort of
> determination that way. I've been searching, but have not yet been able to
> determine anywhere what the gross weight is on my airframe.
>
> --
> Louis L. Perley III
> N46000 - C152
> N370 - PA-23-250
>
>


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[Jim Burns]

I double checked our flight manual and everything below is correct in our
case. The front page lists the N number and serial number then states "for
serial numbers 27-2505 and above at 5200 lb gross weight", then the weight
and balance section lists all the weights includeing empty weight and
usefull load which add up to 5200 lbs.

I also checked the service manual dated 1981 and it does not mention retread
tires and only lists 8 ply tires for the mains, however lists 4 or 6 plys
for the nose, but the nose is a 6 inch tire. Maybe our Service Manual isn't
new enough, I'll have to check with our A&P.

YMMV
Jim

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> The gross weight should be in the identification and specs section or page
> of the Flight Manual that is specific to your airplane. It should have
the
> serial number of your plane on this page. It should also be listed in
your
> W&B section and may be indicated in the charts as an upper weight limit
> line. Double check that the charts match the gross weight listed in the
> specs. On ours, there is also an AD that gives us a "Zero Fuel" weight
> lower than gross, I believe it's 4400 lbs meaning that with empty tanks we
> can only load it to 4400 lbs, then the rest has to be fuel up to 5200.
>
> Jim
>
>
> "Louis L. Perley III" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "Jim Burns" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Thanks, I'm going to check the service manual for ours tonight to see
if
> > it
> > > mentions retreads. I ended up with Michelin tires, and like yours,
the
> 8
> > > plys were rated to 2550. My earlier post stating 2250 was slightly
> > > dyslexic.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> >
> > Any idea how to determine what the Gross Weight on the aircraft is?
I
> > know that Piper made 4400, 4800, and 5200 pound models, and they aren't
in
> > any specific serial number ranges as far as I can tell. It would appear
> that
> > it depended on what was ordered at the time, and I've not seen any list
of
> > what the various differences were so that I could make some sort of
> > determination that way. I've been searching, but have not yet been able
to
> > determine anywhere what the gross weight is on my airframe.
> >
> > --
> > Louis L. Perley III
> > N46000 - C152
> > N370 - PA-23-250
> >
> >
>
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[John Galban]

"Louis L. Perley III" > wrote in message >...
> I've been searching, but have not yet been able to
> determine anywhere what the gross weight is on my airframe.


Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but doesn't your W&B documentation
list the gross weight? How else could you load it properly?

John Galban=====>N4BQ (PA28-180)

[Elwood Dowd]

> I've been searching, but have not yet been able to
> determine anywhere what the gross weight is on my airframe.


One of the documents required to be in the aircraft is the weight and
balance sheet. I have usually found it in the pilot's operating
handbook, which must have records pertaining specifically to your airplane.

[G.R. Patterson III]

Elwood Dowd wrote:
>
> > I've been searching, but have not yet been able to
> > determine anywhere what the gross weight is on my airframe.
>
> One of the documents required to be in the aircraft is the weight and
> balance sheet. I have usually found it in the pilot's operating
> handbook, which must have records pertaining specifically to your airplane.

As has been extensively discussed in another current thread, there's no requirement
that the W&B be in the aircraft, and older planes will not have a POH. In fact, newer
planes won't either -- they have AFMs instead.

George Patterson
If a man gets into a fight 3,000 miles away from home, he *had* to have
been looking for it.

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article >,
"Jim Burns" > wrote:

> > Annual report is coming soon. I was told by my mechanic that retread tires
> > are not allowed in my Aztec according to the manual. They actually thought
> > that this was generally the case with all retractable gear aircraft. In
> > light of this, I am putting new tires on the mains. My aircraft also
> allows
> > for either 7.00 x 6 in 6 or 8 ply, which I thought was interesting. I'll
> be
> > putting on the 8 ply just to be safe (and the price isn't all that much
> > different either)
> >
>
> I see you've got a 1965 Aztec, I don't know what the gross weight is, but
> our '66 can't use the 6 plys because they are only rated at 1900 lbs each,
> or 3800 lbs total, the 8 plys are rated at 2250 each, 4500 lbs total. As
> far as all retractable gear aircraft not being able to use retreads, that's
> a myth as most retractable gear airplanes actually do use retreads ie. the
> airlines. There is an FAA AC that advises when installing retreads on
> retractable gear planes to do a gear swing and make sure they fit in the
> wells and to be carefull that the sidewalls do not overswell do to heat
> build up on take off runs. There is no mention of retread tires in our POH
> or in the manual for the Cessna R182 we flew.
>
> We still haven't found any retreads and have ordered new tires which will
> provide us with good cases for future retreading.


I would recommend swinging the gear *every* time you change the tires. I
once bought a pair of 6.00x6 McRearys for my Johnson Rocket. One tire
would not fit inside one well but fit in the other. The other tire fit
inside both wells. I have used Thompson's retreads successfully -- it is
partly a matter of the case.